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What ever happened to that ship?

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Strot Harn
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#1 - 2014-07-02 19:13:30 UTC  |  Edited by: Strot Harn
As one manufactures you make and sell a lot of stuff. It might be nice when you sold a ship, if when it was eventually lost, you could find out about it.

I was thinking perhaps add a "maker's mark" (Corp Ticker) associated with the ship. When it ends up on the killboard, you can find out who made it (and the maker can find out what happened to it).

Special bonus points, if a tiny stenciled Corp Ticker and Corp Logo of the maker's corp is added to the model. Blink
Gully Alex Foyle
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#2 - 2014-07-02 19:26:26 UTC
+1

One of the best ideas I've ever read on F&I.

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Anhenka
The New Federation
Sigma Grindset
#3 - 2014-07-02 19:30:59 UTC
Every packaged ship is the same as every other packaged ship from the standpoint of the server. There can be no distinction made between newly manufactured ships and any other manufactured ship of the same type under the current database structure.

To do so would require a major overhaul of the way the server keeps track of ships.

So at this time, the idea is impossible.
Tikitina
Doomheim
#4 - 2014-07-02 19:32:41 UTC
I think the main issue is that when you repackage an item to sell in on the market you remove all uniqueness from it.
Gully Alex Foyle
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#5 - 2014-07-02 19:37:23 UTC
True, not currently possible, but things change.

What about this for example?

Actually, OP you should check that Dev thread, your idea or something similar may already be there. Or post in it yourself.

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Strot Harn
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#6 - 2014-07-02 19:52:07 UTC  |  Edited by: Strot Harn
Gully Alex Foyle wrote:
True, not currently possible, but things change.

What about this for example?

Actually, OP you should check that Dev thread, your idea or something similar may already be there. Or post in it yourself.


Not a bad idea.

I think it would be great if manufacturers and manufacturing corps could say about the battle of B-R5RB, "I was there too. 10 of my ships were lost in that engagement."

Also, it might make for some additional interesting battle stats (which could be fed to the media when relating things like big battles to them) like : "548 players belonging to 717 corporations and 55 alliances. More than 20 million soldiers were killed aboard the 600 or so Capital-class ships that were destroyed. Of those, 75 were Titans—16 from Murph’s forces and 59 from N3/PL. Ships from over 100 different manufacturing corps were lost, with {x} corp ships accounting for 30% of all ships lost."

Or something to that effect
Fer'isam K'ahn
SAS Veterinarians
#7 - 2014-07-02 20:26:58 UTC  |  Edited by: Fer'isam K'ahn
Interesting idea, especially if you could trace it back like you said.

Maybe then the blindfolded PvP and High Sec Carebare haters will see and recognize one day who built their ships when it says: 90% ships destroyed were build by *We care, you dare!* high sec corp and 8% destroyed made by *Jita Conglomerate* .... and 0.05% destroyed were exchanged at a Guristas Outpost in low sec °°.

And stop forcing them to lower security accusing them 'play wrong' Roll
Danika Princip
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#8 - 2014-07-02 20:58:21 UTC
Only if I can disable it on every single ship I ever buy, build or fly.
Gully Alex Foyle
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#9 - 2014-07-02 22:14:40 UTC
Danika Princip wrote:
Only if I can disable it on every single ship I ever buy, build or fly.
Nope, you can't. Sorry.

Make space glamorous! Is EVE dying or not? Ask the EVE-O Death-o-meter!

Sobaan Tali
Caldari Quick Reaction Force
#10 - 2014-07-02 22:26:32 UTC
I have to admit, I've often longed for a sort of manufacturer's ID and/or date to show a ship's time and place of origin. Who actually built the ship I bought a few years ago, or how old is the ship I just bought really? Tracking where a ship has been in its lifespan (maybe even previous owners, too) would be, admittedly, pretty freaking neat. I'm sure it would be difficult to say the least to implement, but we dreamers must dream, right?

"Tomahawks?"

"----in' A, right?"

"Trouble is, those things cost like a million and a half each."

"----, you pay me half that and I'll hump in some c4 and blow the ---- out of it my own damn self."

Danika Princip
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#11 - 2014-07-02 22:27:35 UTC
Gully Alex Foyle wrote:
Danika Princip wrote:
Only if I can disable it on every single ship I ever buy, build or fly.
Nope, you can't. Sorry.



But I would really rather not hand free info to literally anyone who happens to show info on me.
Gully Alex Foyle
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#12 - 2014-07-02 22:30:14 UTC
Strot Harn wrote:
When it ends up on the killboard, you can find out who made it
They'd have to kill you first!

Make space glamorous! Is EVE dying or not? Ask the EVE-O Death-o-meter!

Sobaan Tali
Caldari Quick Reaction Force
#13 - 2014-07-02 23:18:19 UTC
Danika Princip wrote:
Gully Alex Foyle wrote:
Danika Princip wrote:
Only if I can disable it on every single ship I ever buy, build or fly.
Nope, you can't. Sorry.



But I would really rather not hand free info to literally anyone who happens to show info on me.


Maybe make only viewable by the current pilot only? Or make a setting that enables it to be private/public like certs use to be?

"Tomahawks?"

"----in' A, right?"

"Trouble is, those things cost like a million and a half each."

"----, you pay me half that and I'll hump in some c4 and blow the ---- out of it my own damn self."

Danika Princip
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#14 - 2014-07-02 23:25:57 UTC
Sobaan Tali wrote:
Danika Princip wrote:
Gully Alex Foyle wrote:
Danika Princip wrote:
Only if I can disable it on every single ship I ever buy, build or fly.
Nope, you can't. Sorry.



But I would really rather not hand free info to literally anyone who happens to show info on me.


Maybe make only viewable by the current pilot only? Or make a setting that enables it to be private/public like certs use to be?


In which case, having an option to completely disable it too would be best. I'd rather not have to manufacture everything myself, since even that will provide completely free intel, but it's the only real way to go about it.
Nariya Kentaya
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#15 - 2014-07-03 00:24:45 UTC
Strot Harn wrote:
As one manufactures you make and sell a lot of stuff. It might be nice when you sold a ship, if when it was eventually lost, you could find out about it.

I was thinking perhaps add a "marker's mark" (Corp Ticker) associated with the ship. When it ends up on the killboard, you can find out who made it (and the maker can find out what happened to it).

Special bonus points, if a tiny stenciled Corp Ticker and Corp Logo of the maker's corp is added to the model. Blink

Related to your "I was in B-R, I lost 10 of my ships there"... Not sure an industrialist would want to advertise that.

Thats like Honda saying "people buy our cars, 15,000 people worldwide died in car crashes last week, and over a third of them were Hondas!"
Strot Harn
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#16 - 2014-07-03 00:50:06 UTC
Nariya Kentaya wrote:
Strot Harn wrote:
As one manufactures you make and sell a lot of stuff. It might be nice when you sold a ship, if when it was eventually lost, you could find out about it.

I was thinking perhaps add a "marker's mark" (Corp Ticker) associated with the ship. When it ends up on the killboard, you can find out who made it (and the maker can find out what happened to it).

Special bonus points, if a tiny stenciled Corp Ticker and Corp Logo of the maker's corp is added to the model. Blink

Related to your "I was in B-R, I lost 10 of my ships there"... Not sure an industrialist would want to advertise that.

Thats like Honda saying "people buy our cars, 15,000 people worldwide died in car crashes last week, and over a third of them were Hondas!"


Not necessarily comparable. Since all ships are created equal in Eve, the fault lies in the pilot ... or being called "primary". Not much the manufacturer can do about that.
RavenTesio
Liandri Corporation
#17 - 2014-07-03 00:53:37 UTC
quote=Anhenka]Every packaged ship is the same as every other packaged ship from the standpoint of the server. There can be no distinction made between newly manufactured ships and any other manufactured ship of the same type under the current database structure.

To do so would require a major overhaul of the way the server keeps track of ships.

So at this time, the idea is impossible.[/quote]

That's actually not true, even remotely.
Every single item within EVE already has a "Unique ID" assigned to it, providing a list of manufacturers literally would be a case of creating a Link-List Database that ties Corporations / Individuals / Alliances to a given UID. This isn't even something "new" that they introduced sometime over the course of the games development but rather was something that's always been part of the core database system.

It means that if they wanted to every single item Sold could have an individual Manufacturer AND Retailer 'Seal' on them, but the problem was always that they never figured out a way to provide gameplay to including such a feature so they never did.

They were talking about this back at the Fanfest when they said that they were looking to provide the ability to 'Personalise' ships with Logos, Liveries, etc... as they could use the technology to put Manufacturer marks and liveries on the ships you buy; that way if you like a particular paint scheme you would know who to purchase from.

I actually thought an even better way to expand that would be to provide Manufacturers with the abilities to ship either slightly /superior/ or /inferior/ products; with the inferior ones being product by cutting corners for the materials used, that could have a detrimental affect on the Stats (that you would only discover once you'd purchased) or conversely chose to focus R&D on producing slightly /superior/ versions obviously with the costs of doing so being considerably high.

The personalisation and individualisation of Manufacturers would just become an interesting and even more unique aspect of the EVE Industry; where there would no doubt be specific Manufacturers that either get known for their quality or 'budget' nature.
Of-course there could be a number who might just stick to 'on the tin instructions' for that Standard Quality.

...

Maybe it's just me but I always liked the idea of having that level of 'Manufacturer' orientated industry over the less personal standardised one we have today. With the chances to the technology in terms of Ship Skins, being able to put things like Corporation / Alliance Logos even Serial Numbers on Ship Hulls ... it seems like it might be a good step forward, perhaps even being able to 'Rent Store Fronts' for Offices you have where you can provide Direct Sales.

As I said it ties in to the current Industrial aspect and opening up of the galaxy with more /player/ control that CCP are aiming for right now.
scorchlikeshiswhiskey
Totally Abstract
O X I D E
#18 - 2014-07-03 03:06:21 UTC
What I like best about that idea up there ^ is that it gives the choice to industrialists to decide whether to build quality or quantity since it would add a dynamic to the game when certain manufacturers game reputations for good and bad products.
Strot Harn
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#19 - 2014-07-03 05:52:14 UTC  |  Edited by: Strot Harn
Sobaan Tali wrote:
I have to admit, I've often longed for a sort of manufacturer's ID and/or date to show a ship's time and place of origin. Who actually built the ship I bought a few years ago, or how old is the ship I just bought really? Tracking where a ship has been in its lifespan (maybe even previous owners, too) would be, admittedly, pretty freaking neat. I'm sure it would be difficult to say the least to implement, but we dreamers must dream, right?



Something that simple might add for some pricing buff in the market. Hey, hey! I'm flying Jon Voight's Avatar!

Also, might add to some "primary" fun for PvPers. The old wars may have past, but get that ship! For the owner as well it's kind of like playing Jimmy Page's old Les Paul guitar; if what you are playing is terrible, it's you, not the guitar.

EDIT: Not to wax Shakespearean but, "'Twas mine, ’tis his, and has been slave to thousands." Imagine the draw someone who quit the game (or gave it a rest for a year) might find when they hear about a big battle and discover a ship they sold when they rage quit was in the big fight at the OK-C0RL system. "Ah, that's where my old Moros went. I could have been there." [resubscribe]
Luwc
State War Academy
Caldari State
#20 - 2014-07-03 06:40:30 UTC
"Dickbutt Industries" on the Side <3

on a more serious note : awesome idea

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