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Profitable alternatives to L4s for a sissy carebear.

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Herzog Wolfhammer
Sigma Special Tactics Group
#61 - 2014-06-26 16:40:13 UTC
How did this get to be about ganking?

Nevermind.


One thing that strikes me as peculiar is how "carebearing" or not being a carebear (or sissy) entails PVP or not PVP.

It's entirely possible for a carebear (or sissy if you are into that sort of thing when you play Eve) to exist in a PVP environment without PVP and survive. Sure you might get pursued from time to time.


We should call a "no platitudes day". Think of it like "Opposite Day". Results may be surprising when you drop the mental cage and go against the doctrines and dogma.

Bring back DEEEEP Space!

Jenn aSide
Worthless Carebears
The Initiative.
#62 - 2014-06-26 17:08:05 UTC  |  Edited by: Jenn aSide
Vincent Athena wrote:



Except for a few things:
Feeling bad from adrenaline will not kill you. Epilepsy can. Bad comparison, and insensitive to those with epilepsy.
It is possible to play eve while avoiding almost all confrontational encounters. When the "FlashyFlasyStrobeLights" only show up, on average, once a year, you can just log, wait a day, log back in and repair the damage.


The point is that it's dumb to expose yourself at all.

I just don't see why people choose to spend their free time playing a game that is (according to them) filled with people they don't like, lacking 'content' that they desire, and that has a chance to make them physically ill under the right circumstances. Then again I also don't see how some dudes get some kind of thrill out of being chained up and whipped by some chick wearing leather either lol.

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There is no alternative. There is no MMO sandbox sci fi space game out there other than eve. If you like Sci fi, and space, and interacting with others in all ways other than confrontation, and you like finding your own way, then eve is still your best choice. Especially if you play on a Mac.


There is an alternative. Don't play video games. No one is forcing anyone to log in, CCP doesn't have a special forces unit that parachutes down to your home and makes you eat fermented shark till you give in and play lol.

That's the same rationale I had when I wasted several years of my life play Mechwarrior:Vengeance despite the fact that I hated because "there are no other mech games". When i quit i went almost a year without playing PC games and (surpizingly to me) I felt much better day to day because i wasn't constantly pissed off about how badly FASA Interactive/Microsoft had screw up my favorite IP.

Since then I have resolved to only play video games i actually like. If some of y'all wanna torture yourselves, well, to each his own.

As far as EVE not being a pvp game, who cares. 'Carebears' are the only ones who get caught up on the whole pvp vs pve aspect. All people like me are saying is that, if you HATE people trying to pvp you, well, even has non-consensual pvp, so tough nuts if you don't like it.
Seth's Dead
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#63 - 2014-06-26 18:22:43 UTC
I dont really know where this is coming from, Jenn. I have done no complaining about EVE; and went out of my way with my wording and structure to acknowledge that EVE has facets which I dont enjoy, which goes against the grain of the mainstream. I am not asking for EVE to be anything else, nor do I want it to be anything else. I simply want to play the game the way I enjoy it. If I were to play it in a way that I do not enjoy, then you would be correct saying that I should just leave. That would be logical. I, however, have not stated that I do not enjoy EVE. I just want to find more ways to enjoy it.
Jenn aSide
Worthless Carebears
The Initiative.
#64 - 2014-06-26 18:38:01 UTC
Seth's Dead wrote:
I dont really know where this is coming from, Jenn. I have done no complaining about EVE; and went out of my way with my wording and structure to acknowledge that EVE has facets which I dont enjoy, which goes against the grain of the mainstream. I am not asking for EVE to be anything else, nor do I want it to be anything else. I simply want to play the game the way I enjoy it. If I were to play it in a way that I do not enjoy, then you would be correct saying that I should just leave. That would be logical. I, however, have not stated that I do not enjoy EVE. I just want to find more ways to enjoy it.


Not talking about you lol. There is nothing wrong with what you posted and people have given you good advice. Peronally i do incursions, missions and exploration so there is plenty to do.

My comments are regarding the de-rail a poster started making lame excuses for why some people don't pvp (when there needs to be no excuse, if you don't like pvp, don't pvp, as long as you understand that you can be PVP'd at any time though).
Tyberius Franklin
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#65 - 2014-06-26 20:23:44 UTC
DJentropy Ovaert wrote:
Seth's Dead wrote:
Also, I just want to put out there that the activity doesnt need to be more profitable as L4s. I just want something else to do for ISK, and as long as it is somewhere in the same ballpark it will be fine. I am not exactly busting my butt in L4s, so I dont think that I break about 40-50 mil an hour. I usually play in short bursts as well, so a lot of the big ISK missions are not an option for me, as I like to come back with my Noctis and clean up afterwards to wind down. Most people say that it hurts ISK per hour, but I like looting and seeing what was there.
Can I ask, is ISK a problem? As in, are you unable to buy the things you want to get out there and create content and interact with the community and need to spend time only thinking about making money before you can move on?

If not, please consider that you may have fallen into a classic EVE trap and are simply spending a lot of time doing things that are not really that much fun at all to you in order to make the amount of internet space ship gold that you have no need for at the time have a bigger number. If this is the case, I promise you - there is SO much fun out there and all you have to do is stop calling yourself a "sissy carebear" and give it a shot! Trust me, it's worth it - and once you get into it, the very concept or spending hours mining or shooting red boxes suddenly becomes something you would not wish on any EVE player ever.
Just curious, what in this context counts as creating content and interacting with the community? Also, as a player are those things a player should have any particular concern towards anyways? Why not just do what you wish?
Garresh
Mackies Raiders
Wild Geese.
#66 - 2014-06-27 02:40:12 UTC
Evemailed you in game. I can help get you started with exploration. But I will say one thing. If you're up for it, bearing in lowsec and null can be quite rewarding. Sometimes you can enjoy "pvp" just in the sense of successfully doing your bearing in a hostile area and avoiding getting caught. Before I become a "real" pvper, most of my income involved ninja salvaging while getting shot at by mission runners, or running around low trying to hack and salvage sites while avoiding camps and gankers.

Since I didn't really train any combat skills for the first 3 or so months in Eve, I had to win by pure evasion and speedtanking. I remember when I was first ninjaing how I couldn't refit into a bigger ship, so I just kept ninjaing while they shot at me, and learned to speedtank while I salvaged. And in lowsec I got very good at reading the map to spot gatecamps, and learned to d-scan very well.

Anyways, I would say that carebearing in hostile space is a form of pvp. If you can learn to succeed, it can be quite lucrative.

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Seth's Dead
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#67 - 2014-07-02 10:28:22 UTC
Well, I have spent the last three days in nullsec exploring, and so far it is fairly lack luster. After about an hour and a half, I managed to find a wormhole chain that took me from high sec to null sec, and I landed in the Curse area. Not too many people around, but enough. I went overly cautious, and only saw another ship twice. One Venture, and one Stiletto. Not many sites around, and made maybe 10 million in two hours. Finally I had had enough, and decided to wander into Scalding Pass, which was sov space. I went though 5-6 systems before I saw anyone else in local, and they took off shortly after. About 4-5 more hours exploring around, and I have about 40mil worth of stuff in my hold, plus whatever these blueprints are worth. And unless they are worth an ass ton, the ISK isnt all that great, lol.

One thing I did find out very quickly, though, is that data sites are a *****... The stuff takes a lot of space, usually not for very much value. Considering that, as far as I know, I have barely made enough to pay for the ship I am in, and still need to find a way back to high sec, I cant really say that nullsec exploration was too lucrative.
Garresh
Mackies Raiders
Wild Geese.
#68 - 2014-07-02 10:59:24 UTC
What are your hacking and archaeology skills at again? and dont use wormhole chains to reach null. You want to plan a nice route to reach it without needing to go through a camp. That amount of isk is really bad. You should be pulling like 50-60 mil an hour without too much trouble if your skills are decent.

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Seth's Dead
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#69 - 2014-07-02 11:10:57 UTC
Both are at 5. All scanning skills other than Acquisition (IV) and Survey (III) are at 5. The main problem is that there just dont seem to be too many sites. Every once and I while I will see 4-5 sigs, and then two are wormholes, two combat, and then the one data/relic. Seems like there are way more combat sites than hacking sites. 2-3 minutes of probing, another 4-5 minutes hacking (assuming empty system) and then I move on. Half the sites are giving me a mil, tops for the whole place. (although I now cargo scan to make sure it isnt empty, or has 2 damn carbons...)

Anyway, I have only found 5 blueprints so far: (runs I dont know, as I didnt write them down, and cant log in at the moment)

3x Cryptic Data Interface Blueprint
Cryptic Ship Data Interface Blueprint
Cryptic Tuner Data Interface Blueprint

Something tells me that these are not exactly jackpots, lol.
Seth's Dead
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#70 - 2014-07-02 11:12:23 UTC
Also, what is wrong with using wormhole chains? With no logistics, and no experience in escaping or dealing with gate camps and such, I found wormhole exploration fairly easy. Almost all of them are empty, and no one knows you are there unless they see you or your probes.
Inxentas Ultramar
Ultramar Independent Contracting
#71 - 2014-07-02 13:52:49 UTC
Wormholes are an excellent way to get to nullsec from hisec. By the way, datasites are a little bit about luck. Much of what you get is junk. The BPCs can be worth a lot. First off, the build cost for many of the standard items is low while the number of runs can be quite high. Secondly, you might get a faction tower blueprint if you are very lucky.
Seth's Dead
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#72 - 2014-07-02 14:07:54 UTC
I spent an hour in Wicked Creek, and found exactly zero data/relic sites in the 6 systems I went to. Plenty of combat, though. I am almost tempted to go back, fit a Stratios, and try plexing...
Norrin Ellis
Doomheim
#73 - 2014-07-02 15:02:39 UTC
You can play poker for ISK in EVE. You don't have to leave highsec. You don't even have to leave station. There's a link in my forum sig if you want more info.
Seth's Dead
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#74 - 2014-07-02 15:09:51 UTC
If I wanted to gamble, I would use Blink some more. ;)