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Exploration in Lowsec....few questions
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Schmata Bastanold
In Boobiez We Trust
#21 - 2014-06-28 19:48:03 UTC
Well, if you ever happen to visit Adirain do not be afraid to talk on local. Any R1FTA/R1DER pilot will respond nicely unless you start with whine or profanities.

With that in mind talking with you on local or even private convo doesn't mean they won't try to get you simultaneously. And if/when they do take it with a smile and simply ask what you did wrong and how to improve your ways. At very least you will get advice and probably also some ISK to cover your loss, although do not count on having your astero and full set of +5 implants repaid :)

Oh, even if you get podded and have no time to talk with your hunter(s) on local open convo after waking up in new clone or send eve-mail to people on your killmail with content as stated above.

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Nina Semiisku
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#22 - 2014-06-28 20:42:46 UTC
Schmata Bastanold wrote:
... talking with you on local or even private convo doesn't mean they won't try to get you simultaneously.


and:

Gully Alex Foyle wrote:
Talk all you want, making friends is fun. Not everyone will reply, but those who will can be fun. Yes they may also kill you, but they would anyway. :)


---thats the kind of attitude I find fabulous. We can talk, we can even be friends---but of course we will try to kill you. Thats exactly how one should see it in a SIMULATION like Eve. I love it!
Garresh
Mackies Raiders
Wild Geese.
#23 - 2014-06-29 21:33:49 UTC
Nina Semiisku wrote:
Thanks for the ongoing interesting replies!

...from the majority of opinions uttered, I conclude that the respawning of signatures has nothing to do with downtime. Good!

---For the social aspect: I think I would enjoy getting a bit of contact with other players in lowsec, but from what Im hearing so far it seems there are only two ways: Enter a lowsec corp (not practical for me atm), or be killed and hope the killer will talk a bit to me, and naturally I wouldnt willingly sacrifice a ship for that.



Meh just don't talk when you're heavily loaded up. If you're not carrying too much feel free to banter, but once you're carrying more stuff you want to maintain strict radio silence. You don't have to be a complete statue in low. Just understand that talking does provide some info to people, and they may not wish to risk that. Soloers tend to be more talkative I find.

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Areen Sassel
Dirac Angestun Gesept
#24 - 2014-07-01 13:34:09 UTC  |  Edited by: Areen Sassel
Nina Semiisku wrote:
Hey all. I'm a noob, trying to de-carebear myself a bit now. For that I'm going for data/relic sites in lowsec.


I'm also a noob, and I do that.

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I was impressed: I used my current routine of doing the trick to avoid being killed at entry, went to the sun, deployed my probes, and then cloaked.


Remember you've got sixty seconds at entry to see if there are actually any miscreants hanging about - more than enough time to check overview, D-scan, Local. If you're lucky there's no-one else in the system.

I tend to deploy my probes during the spool-up to the initial warp. That way, no-one can infer my cloaked position from the cluster of probes, if for some reason I don't make the first probe scan immediately. It also means the probe launcher can reload during that initial warp.

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---The mini-game: is there any tactics to it, or is the outcome strictly a combination of virus-strength and luck?


Work around the edges; if you hit a defensive mechanism, you want it to block as few other spots as possible. When you run out of empty spots and attack a defence, you want to free up as many spots as possible. Save the encrypted spots until you're desperate, is my advice - if you're not desperate you don't need to find a boon, and if you are desperate you don't care if you find a nasty defensive system.

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And: does it matter how fast you are doing it (apart from generally wanting to do stuff quick and move on)?


Well, you're sitting around with, unless Local is clear, any number of avaricious sociopaths who might either be punting combat probes around (I use a metronome-like arrangement; every 6 seconds, check D-scan with the "paranoia" overview setting) or scanned the site down earlier and are now peeking down narrow-beam D-scans to see if any victims have arrived. These are not circumstances that encourage me to hang about.

When I tap highsec sites, because the loot is typically so worthless, I think of them more as opportunities to train in running analysis as fast as possible.

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---Finally: Do people in lowsec never speak at all, or do they just not speak in local? In all the time I've so far spent in lowsec I have never seen a word in any local chat apart from my own. Is everyone strictly only speaking in corp channels?


I keep my mouth shut. Speaking focusses people's minds on the fact that I'm a potential victim in the system. It also implies I'm not AFK, and most of the things you can do in-system that make you vulnerable also require you to be not AFK.

Edited to add a question: is it worth carrying a stack of ECM drones? Will it significantly affect the odds of getting away intact if caught?
Schmata Bastanold
In Boobiez We Trust
#25 - 2014-07-01 13:58:28 UTC  |  Edited by: Schmata Bastanold
Areen Sassel wrote:
Edited to add a question: is it worth carrying a stack of ECM drones? Will it significantly affect the odds of getting away intact if caught?


Depends what you are flying and what will catch you. If you are in t1 explo frig or covops and I will catch you with my thrasher I will alpha you the moment my lock kicks in so you would have to ECM me before that. And if I fly something like slasher there's still chance your ECM won't work before I explode you. I have special fit just for catching ventures and stabbed explorer frigs so I won't have to spend hours slowly killing you with 10 thousands cuts method :)

If you are in a dessie or cruiser or whatever ECM might save you unless you get caught by more than 1 person.

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Gully Alex Foyle
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#26 - 2014-07-01 14:06:11 UTC
Agree with Schmata ^^.

Still, 4 light ECM drones are dirt cheap, doesn't hurt to have them. Just don't count on them too much.

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Areen Sassel
Dirac Angestun Gesept
#27 - 2014-07-02 13:57:34 UTC
Next question: what about boosting sensor strength to make it harder for miscreants to scan me down? Is this likely to be worthwhile, please?
Gully Alex Foyle
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#28 - 2014-07-02 14:00:46 UTC
Areen Sassel wrote:
Next question: what about boosting sensor strength to make it harder for miscreants to scan me down? Is this likely to be worthwhile, please?
Nope, us miscreants usually do not scan you sacrificial lambs down.

We scan down the signatures and bookmark them.

That way you'll never see us coming before it's too late. Twisted

Yeah we're mean. P

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Samuel Triptee
Frankenstuff
#29 - 2014-07-02 14:46:17 UTC
OP...

First... DO NOT WARP TO SUN!... most PvPers know that newer players are drawn like a magnet to that big ball of hotness.

Second.... (and I'm not sure if changing ship location affects scanning)
Make and use safespots. Creating 2 or 3 safespots in a system takes less than 5 minutes. Warp between your safes every once in awhile to make it more difficult to be scanned down.

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Schmata Bastanold
In Boobiez We Trust
#30 - 2014-07-02 14:55:20 UTC
What Gully said + I don't think you can fit your exploration frig in that way to really cripple my probing AND be useful for exploration. Well maybe with some shenanigans with mobile depot and fitting only mods useful for site at hand but I seriously doubt that would really work.

Same applies if you are not at site but in mission. Of course we cannot scan it before but most mission runners share same habit: if they manage to run away when I show up in their pocket but they return later when I'm no longer on d-scan. Because obviously I couldn't leave my cloaky tackle alt there, could I? And for sure I wouldn't be so smart to bookmark mission gate. Roll

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Ontaku Oroa
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#31 - 2014-07-02 15:19:30 UTC
Apropos miscreants scanning down signatures instead of you. A nice potential wrench in the wheels of their sneaky approach is to jettison a can with a single round of ammo or some assorted trash at warp in - as soon as you exit warp when you go to a signature.

That way anyone who bookmarked the signature at warp in point and tries to fly in cloaked will get de-cloaked and you get a chance to escape.

Another rule of thumb is to examine every character that appears in local (obviously this works for less crowded lowsec systems). If they have a negative sec status, add them to your contacts and set them at terrible standing. Check their corporation. If it looks like a pirate corp (a good sign is if they have skulls, cutlasses, pirate hats, eye patches, parrots and/or words "wench", "rum", "Yarr", "ahoy", "matey" and "scallywag" in their description) - set them as red too.

And never, ever do your stuff with a red in the system.
Areen Sassel
Dirac Angestun Gesept
#32 - 2014-07-03 02:21:18 UTC
Ontaku Oroa wrote:
Apropos miscreants scanning down signatures instead of you. A nice potential wrench in the wheels of their sneaky approach is to jettison a can with a single round of ammo or some assorted trash at warp in - as soon as you exit warp when you go to a signature.


I've read about that and carry a stack of carbon just for that purpose. :-)
Ethikos
Doomheim
#33 - 2014-07-03 04:31:36 UTC  |  Edited by: Ethikos
Let me also say, welcome to low sec!

Frankly, I find EvE out of high sec much more fun than EvE in high sec. I hope you will as well as you make your way through things. People here have given you a lot of advice on what you asked for, so I am going to through out something you have not mentioned. Join a group. Seriously consider if you want to continue your career outside of high sec. If your interested in groups, I would recommend Brave Newbies and EvE University for someone venturing out of high sec for the first time.

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Marsan
#34 - 2014-07-03 08:24:40 UTC
There are a couple of tricks to live through a gate camp.

1) Learn the MWD/cloak trick for when you aren't in a ship that warps cloaked.
http://wiki.eveuniversity.org/Cloak_Trick

2) Never warp to the sun, never warp to a planet, never warp to a moon. I'd make a GTFO tab for your overview put belts, and POCOs on it. Warp to one of these places and cloak up.

3) Remember when you pass through a gate or wormhole you are cloaked (you can't be uncloaked), and are invulnerable until you move. Yes they will see the gate or wormhole flash, but you have lots of time to select place to warp to.

4) Learn to use safe spots.
http://wiki.eveuniversity.org/Safe_Spot



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Areen Sassel
Dirac Angestun Gesept
#35 - 2014-07-03 10:27:03 UTC
Ontaku Oroa wrote:
Apropos miscreants scanning down signatures instead of you.


Actually, I was puzzling over what the methodology is here. After all, the intended victim might be some distance from the signature warp-in point.

1) Warp to signature uncloaked, with weapons that can attack at very long range. Blast victim. This seems like the quickest approach, such that even if they hit the panic button and are already aligned you should connect with a salvo or two.
2) Warp to signature cloaked, with similar weapons. Uncloak. This seems clearly worse in that it provides more warning.
3) Warp to signature cloaked, slowboat over to target, blast them at point-blank range. That could take forever, and the target still gets an uncloak + lockon time to run away.
4) Warp to target uncloaked and blast them at point-blank range. Like #1 except with higher-damage guns, but does need target scanned down.

Apparently it's not #4, but I'm curious as to which of #1 #2 #3 it is, please?

I've been careful to keep analysis targets out of decloak range except when actually slurping up the contents, and to align the ship to a safe spot while analysing, intending that if someone turns up on overview I'll either cloak or warp depending on the range to them. Is this sensible, please?
Gully Alex Foyle
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#36 - 2014-07-03 10:48:09 UTC
Areen Sassel wrote:
Ontaku Oroa wrote:
Apropos miscreants scanning down signatures instead of you.


Actually, I was puzzling over what the methodology is here. After all, the intended victim might be some distance from the signature warp-in point.

1) Warp to signature uncloaked, with weapons that can attack at very long range. Blast victim. This seems like the quickest approach, such that even if they hit the panic button and are already aligned you should connect with a salvo or two.
2) Warp to signature cloaked, with similar weapons. Uncloak. This seems clearly worse in that it provides more warning.
3) Warp to signature cloaked, slowboat over to target, blast them at point-blank range. That could take forever, and the target still gets an uncloak + lockon time to run away.
4) Warp to target uncloaked and blast them at point-blank range. Like #1 except with higher-damage guns, but does need target scanned down.

Apparently it's not #4, but I'm curious as to which of #1 #2 #3 it is, please?

I've been careful to keep analysis targets out of decloak range except when actually slurping up the contents, and to align the ship to a safe spot while analysing, intending that if someone turns up on overview I'll either cloak or warp depending on the range to them. Is this sensible, please?
It's usually #3. Good cloaky hunters will try to bump you to prevent you from warping out before they can lock you.

If you analyze aligned, you're already doing it the best possible way imo.

Note: only stealth bombers have zero targeting delay after decloaking. All other cloakies have a minimum of 5 seconds iirc.

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Areen Sassel
Dirac Angestun Gesept
#37 - 2014-07-03 11:44:03 UTC
Gully Alex Foyle wrote:
Note: only stealth bombers have zero targeting delay after decloaking. All other cloakies have a minimum of 5 seconds iirc.


Seems like that would be sufficient time to warp out, even after being bumped, so I guess it's down to the usual business of trying to watch the rest of the screen while running analysis. Thanks.

(Although yesterday's discovery was, if you scan down a POS in lowsec don't go and take a look at it, it can blow you up from quite a long way away. Still, Magnates are cheap...)
Gully Alex Foyle
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#38 - 2014-07-03 11:49:20 UTC
Areen Sassel wrote:
Gully Alex Foyle wrote:
Note: only stealth bombers have zero targeting delay after decloaking. All other cloakies have a minimum of 5 seconds iirc.


Seems like that would be sufficient time to warp out, even after being bumped, so I guess it's down to the usual business of trying to watch the rest of the screen while running analysis. Thanks.

(Although yesterday's discovery was, if you scan down a POS in lowsec don't go and take a look at it, it can blow you up from quite a long way away. Still, Magnates are cheap...)
ROFL

If you're curious, you can either stay on grid for less than 10 seconds (POS have long lock times) or cloak.

And my personal record against cloaky hunters in data/relic sights is 1 GTFO - 2 dead. But I wasn't aligned :)

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Schmata Bastanold
In Boobiez We Trust
#39 - 2014-07-03 12:00:41 UTC
Well, sometimes there is only 1 data/relic site in system and I can just go there and wait for you. And if there are 2 sites my alt will have to undock :)

But more often then not people react too slow to run away from my slasher or even thrasher. There has to be something magical in flashy red on overview that keeps them from hitting warp the moment I land at beacon :)

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Gully Alex Foyle
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#40 - 2014-07-03 12:06:42 UTC
Schmata Bastanold wrote:
Well, sometimes there is only 1 data/relic site in system and I can just go there and wait for you. And if there are 2 sites my alt will have to undock :)

But more often then not people react too slow to run away from my slasher or even thrasher. There has to be something magical in flashy red on overview that keeps them from hitting warp the moment I land at beacon :)
And yet you're still just -9.9!

Lazy pirate! P

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