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Staten Island
Diversity 101
Domain Research and Mining Inst.
#1 - 2014-07-02 13:27:08 UTC  |  Edited by: ISD Ezwal
Fellow space citizens,

As many of you know, CCP has now made two balance passes at mining ships. It is clear at this point that balance has not been achieved. The once might hulk has been relegated to the dust heap. Of the remaining ships, the lowly procurer has become the clear favorite. Not only is it the best mining ship in every respect, but CCP has also allowed it to be weaponized.

*snip* Posting of kill reports outside of the Crime & Punishment forum channel is prohibited. ISD Ezwal.

This once peaceful mining vessel has been allowed to be come a wagon of death. As the above example demonstrates, it is able to put out over 120000 points of damage resulting in the death of fleet command ships and not just any fleet command ship but an orca which as everyone knows is a killer whale.

Clearly CCP has gone too far. A single 10mil isk ship should not be able to mine ice while simultaneously dealing death to a 600mil ship. A further balancing pass is necessary. I suggest that procurers have their drone bandwidth cut. Presently they are able to control 2 mediums and one small. Clearly this is too much. One medium is all that a procurer needs for highsec defense. This purely defensive mining vessel should not be allowed to slowly morph into a offensive weapon any further.
E-2C Hawkeye
HOW to PEG SAFETY
#2 - 2014-07-02 13:31:23 UTC  |  Edited by: ISD Ezwal
Staten Island wrote:
Fellow space citizens,

As many of you know, CCP has now made two balance passes at mining ships. It is clear at this point that balance has not been achieved. The once might hulk has been relegated to the dust heap. Of the remaining ships, the lowly procurer has become the clear favorite. Not only is it the best mining ship in every respect, but CCP has also allowed it to be weaponized.

*snip* Posting of kill reports outside of the Crime & Punishment forum channel is prohibited. ISD Ezwal.

This once peaceful mining vessel has been allowed to be come a wagon of death. As the above example demonstrates, it is able to put out over 120000 points of damage resulting in the death of fleet command ships and not just any fleet command ship but an orca which as everyone knows is a killer whale.

Clearly CCP has gone too far. A single 10mil isk ship should not be able to mine ice while simultaneously dealing death to a 600mil ship. A further balancing pass is necessary. I suggest that procurers have their drone bandwidth cut. Presently they are able to control 2 mediums and one small. Clearly this is too much. One medium is all that a procurer needs for highsec defense. This purely defensive mining vessel should not be allowed to slowly morph into a offensive weapon any further.

What if they choose not to mine in hi-sec?
Kijo Rikki
Killboard Padding Services
#3 - 2014-07-02 13:32:24 UTC
We literally just covered this a week ago. The Skiff/Procurer get drone damage bonus to help kill belt rats, but have tiny holds. The Retriever/Mack get ore hold capacity and the Hulk/whatever the hell the t1 version is gets the best yeild.

That is a hilarious related killmail though.

You make a valid point, good Sir or Madam. 
Scipio Artelius
Weaponised Vegemite
Flying Dangerous
#4 - 2014-07-02 13:34:20 UTC  |  Edited by: Scipio Artelius
What if the Orca pilot wasn't AFK?

For that Procurer to be able to do that amount of Damage with Hammers, there has got to be more to this story.
LUMINOUS SPIRIT
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#5 - 2014-07-02 13:35:11 UTC  |  Edited by: LUMINOUS SPIRIT
Interesting related kills.

Now if only someone posted what really happened.
Jonah Gravenstein
Machiavellian Space Bastards
#6 - 2014-07-02 13:52:53 UTC  |  Edited by: Jonah Gravenstein
Staten Island wrote:
I suggest that procurers have their drone bandwidth cut. Presently they are able to control 2 mediums and one small. Clearly this is too much. One medium is all that a procurer needs for highsec defense. This purely defensive mining vessel should not be allowed to slowly morph into a offensive weapon any further.
First : 2 medium and 1 small drone is not an optimal set up, 5 small drones are far more effective in terms of damage and mobility. Second : The BW hasn't changed, just the bay size.

Scipio Artelius wrote:
What if the Orca pilot wasn't AFK?

For that Procurer to be able to do that amount of Damage with Hammers, there has got to be more to this story.
Agreed Big smile The Procurer isn't OP, but stupidity is.

Next question : What if the Orca pilot had actually finished fitting his ride? Empty rig slots on an Orca is laughably bad.

In the beginning there was nothing, which exploded.

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Abrazzar
Vardaugas Family
#7 - 2014-07-02 13:53:07 UTC
Just posting to let you know that I could kill an Avatar with an Impairor, given enough time.

Clearly, rookie ships are overpowered.

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Schmata Bastanold
In Boobiez We Trust
#8 - 2014-07-02 13:54:47 UTC
Killing idiots doesn't make ships OP.

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Inxentas Ultramar
Ultramar Independent Contracting
#9 - 2014-07-02 13:57:32 UTC
That ship doesn't have a point. Was the Orca pilot AFK or stoned or something? Lol
Sibyyl
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
#10 - 2014-07-02 14:00:23 UTC
Staten Island wrote:
One medium is all that a procurer needs for highsec defense.

Maybe you can stop theory-architecting ships only for highsec.

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Born Rage
Like I Give A Shite
#11 - 2014-07-02 14:16:11 UTC
So the barge points an orca and blows it up.

Lets look at this scenario.

0.5 system

Are both these chars at war with each other?

was the orca yellow after looting the barge's can.

If the orca had drones im assuming the procurer blew them up with his drones

TBH its hilarious
Caviar Liberta
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#12 - 2014-07-02 14:21:13 UTC
Kijo Rikki wrote:
We literally just covered this a week ago. The Skiff/Procurer get drone damage bonus to help kill belt rats, but have tiny holds. The Retriever/Mack get ore hold capacity and the Hulk/whatever the hell the t1 version is gets the best yeild.

That is a hilarious related killmail though.


Are you saying that wasn't alpha damage?
Serene Repose
#13 - 2014-07-02 14:27:27 UTC
I like this very much. Hey Gankers! What cow pie are you about to step in?

We must accommodate the idiocracy.
Dave stark
#14 - 2014-07-02 14:30:41 UTC
while i find the mountain of stupidity in this thread hilarious, i mean... really?
Zero Sum Gain
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#15 - 2014-07-02 14:41:33 UTC  |  Edited by: Zero Sum Gain
Looks to me like the lone procurer grew tired of the orca's oppressive leadership and overthrew him, becoming the dominant male in the belt.
Graabeerd Khagah
MoonFyre BattleGroup Holdings
#16 - 2014-07-02 15:38:41 UTC
Abrazzar wrote:
Just posting to let you know that I could kill an Avatar with an Impairor, given enough time.

Clearly, rookie ships are overpowered.


HAHAHAHA!! Yeah the lowly Impairor is vastly over powered for sure!! Can take down a Super Cap fleet and Titans in one fell swoop!!LolLolLolLolLolBig smileBig smileBig smileBig smileBig smilePiratePiratePiratePiratePirate
Abrazzar
Vardaugas Family
#17 - 2014-07-02 16:00:38 UTC
Graabeerd Khagah wrote:
Abrazzar wrote:
Just posting to let you know that I could kill an Avatar with an Impairor, given enough time.

Clearly, rookie ships are overpowered.


HAHAHAHA!! Yeah the lowly Impairor is vastly over powered for sure!! Can take down a Super Cap fleet and Titans in one fell swoop!!LolLolLolLolLolBig smileBig smileBig smileBig smileBig smilePiratePiratePiratePiratePirate

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Vol Arm'OOO
Central Co-Prosperity Union
#18 - 2014-07-02 16:37:06 UTC  |  Edited by: ISD Ezwal
Scipio Artelius wrote:
What if the Orca pilot wasn't AFK?

For that Procurer to be able to do that amount of Damage with Hammers, there has got to be more to this story.


Ok. Well . . . the procurer pilot is a friend of mine and he told me that he was happily mining away, when for some reason or other he decided take from a wreak that had been sitting there a while. Why he did this, who knows? Perhaps, it was the sleep deprivation from sitting in an ice belt all day. Anyways, shortly thereafter, another friend thought it would be funny to point and shoot him in a battle badger, so he started shooting back.

As these two friends are screwing around and amusing themselves, about 2/3 of the miners in the belt (he says like 10-15 ships including the orca) decided to unload on the procurer. Apparently, these miners are very organized and have hidden channels of communication that allow them to coordinate. Fortunately, this procurer was not your usual procurer but rather a mining barge of flaming death. The procurer, being very op, was able to shake off the incoming dps from the many barges while simultaneously mine ice and point and web the orca. Why does a procurer need a point and web? Well, according to my friend, its so the belt rats dont get away. Anyways, the various barges after a considerable time decided that they could not break this procurer and gave up leaving the orca to its fate. A very few of these barge pilots switched to combat ships but it was no good, they also couldnt break this procurer, even though two of them made the ultimate sacrifice to concord.

*snip* Posting of kill reports outside of the Crime & Punishment forum channel is prohibited. ISD Ezwal.

Despite my friends request to the orca pilot that this matter be resolved amicably without further violence, the orca pilot decided to bring in a guardian for reps. Strangely though, the guardian did not notice the Lachesis that was sitting off the orca giving it a friendly nudge every now and then.

*snip* Posting of kill reports outside of the Crime & Punishment forum channel is prohibited. ISD Ezwal.

With the guardian gone, the massive dps of the procurer of doom would not be denied. All of the orca's drones were killed and its fate was sealed, proving once and for all the procurer is true big fish of the mining belts.

On a related note: is this a harbinger of the end for Nulli Secunda?!?!

I don't play, I just fourm warrior.
Jenn aSide
Worthless Carebears
The Initiative.
#19 - 2014-07-02 16:46:10 UTC  |  Edited by: ISD Ezwal
Staten Island wrote:
Fellow space citizens,

As many of you know, CCP has now made two balance passes at mining ships. It is clear at this point that balance has not been achieved. The once might hulk has been relegated to the dust heap. Of the remaining ships, the lowly procurer has become the clear favorite. Not only is it the best mining ship in every respect, but CCP has also allowed it to be weaponized.

*snip* Posting of kill reports outside of the Crime & Punishment forum channel is prohibited. ISD Ezwal.

This once peaceful mining vessel has been allowed to be come a wagon of death. As the above example demonstrates, it is able to put out over 120000 points of damage resulting in the death of fleet command ships and not just any fleet command ship but an orca which as everyone knows is a killer whale.

Clearly CCP has gone too far. A single 10mil isk ship should not be able to mine ice while simultaneously dealing death to a 600mil ship. A further balancing pass is necessary. I suggest that procurers have their drone bandwidth cut. Presently they are able to control 2 mediums and one small. Clearly this is too much. One medium is all that a procurer needs for highsec defense. This purely defensive mining vessel should not be allowed to slowly morph into a offensive weapon any further.



OMG , I wish i had a web cam so you could see me laughing right now. Of course that kill mail is gonna get nixed from here because of forum rules, but that's freaking hilarious.

That wa sin high sec, their HAD to be a war dec or limited engagement or in the same fleet for that to have happened, no way a Pro suicide ganked an orca lol.

Also, I use this time to plug DJ Erroch's EVE Radio weekly event, the "Industrial Revolution" where we go out and kills stuff with mining ships and haulers.
Unsuccessful At Everything
The Troll Bridge
#20 - 2014-07-02 16:50:55 UTC
Hey frank.. turn the boosts back on! Frank? FRANK?!??!? ****. He went AFK again. Does this guy ever play?!??! Ill just wake him up with his shield alarm for a laugh.. Come on Frank.. Fraaaaaaannnnnnkkkkk... Ok.. ill go to armor alarm for giggles.. WAKE UP FRANK!!!!!! TUUURRRRNNNNNN ONNNN THE BOOOOOOSSSSSSTTTTSSS!!!!! FRANK!!! Ok.. going to hull Frank... FRRRAAAAAANNNNNKKKKKKK!!!!! You know what.. **** you Frank!!!!

::explosion::

Well.. that was fun. Frank.. you there? Frank????? Dude.. your ship sploded.. Frank?!?!? God I hate you Frank. Youre a douche.

Dude... why you kill my orca?!??!

Frank dude.. that was like... 3 hours ago.

Yeah.. sorry.. fell asleep.

I hate you Frank.

Since the cessation of their usefulness is imminent, may I appropriate your belongings?
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