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EVE end game, a Rich Man's Game?
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Schmata Bastanold
In Boobiez We Trust
#21 - 2014-07-02 06:36:42 UTC
WTF is with all this sudden poverty all over forums? If video game is a serious part of your home budget PLEX prices are really last of your problems.

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Pine Marten
Doomheim
#22 - 2014-07-02 06:41:42 UTC
Schmata Bastanold wrote:
WTF is with all this sudden poverty all over forums? If video game is a serious part of your home budget PLEX prices are really last of your problems.


Maybe some ppl would rather have plex instead of running water.
Sibyyl
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
#23 - 2014-07-02 07:12:46 UTC
“I know not with what weapons the end game will be fought, but post-end game will be fought with rookie ships and shuttles.”

Joffy Aulx-Gao for CSM. Fix links and OGB. Ban stabs from plexes. Fulfill karmic justice.
Gully Alex Foyle
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#24 - 2014-07-02 07:15:15 UTC
THCS wrote:
As a semi-casual player and full-time worker that doesn't want to play $540/ year or 480 hrs of my time just to keep a float in eve
It seems strange that, as a 2003 player, you need 40 hours/month of grind to afford 3 PLEX.

If it's true, then I guess you would be better off quitting. Bye, hope you had fun while it lasted!

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Sibyyl
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
#25 - 2014-07-02 07:16:54 UTC
^^Alex, I'm sure you forgot to type it.. but don't forget to ask them if you can haz their stuff.

Joffy Aulx-Gao for CSM. Fix links and OGB. Ban stabs from plexes. Fulfill karmic justice.
Gully Alex Foyle
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#26 - 2014-07-02 07:32:03 UTC
Sibyyl wrote:
^^Alex, I'm sure you forgot to type it.. but don't forget to ask them if you can haz their stuff.
Nonono Sibyyl, I wouldn't want it!

Since I'm less than an year old and having a RL myself, how could I possibly maintain all those high-value capitals?

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Victor Andall
#27 - 2014-07-02 07:35:26 UTC
James Amril-Kesh wrote:
I own two capital ships.
I have one cyno alt.
I don't even use my cyno alt, like, ever.


I have no experience with capitals and supercaps, but a friend once told me that the second you get into a Titan your character becomes an alt for as long as your Titan is alive.

I just undocked for the first time and someone challenged me to a duel. Wat do?

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Baron Chauman
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#28 - 2014-07-02 08:38:01 UTC
Just try ratting in your caps. You can beat 100m ISK/hr that way.

Should help solve the problem one way or the other.
Maeltstome
Ten Thousand Days
#29 - 2014-07-02 08:46:58 UTC
Sibyyl wrote:
“I know not with what weapons the end game will be fought, but post-end game will be fought with rookie ships and shuttles.”


So on-point. When will this power struggle end?!?
Maeltstome
Ten Thousand Days
#30 - 2014-07-02 08:49:27 UTC
Baron Chauman wrote:
Just try ratting in your caps. You can beat 100m ISK/hr that way.

Should help solve the problem one way or the other.


Rat on one carrier, use another char with cyno + scanner to search for complex's. You literally can't get more AFK than carrier ratting. Carriers cost pennies these days. Add in a few lucky half-bil module drops and you're golden.
Mithandra
B.O.P Supplication For Glorious
Dracarys.
#31 - 2014-07-02 08:49:58 UTC
Steve Celeste wrote:
THCS wrote:
The inflated plexs price is putting a serious clamp on people's budget

Eve is NOT free to play.

If you can't afford it, you can't play it.


Once again.

This pretty much


Can we stop with the stealth "reduce plex prices" threads please



end game my hairy rotund derriere.

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Inxentas Ultramar
Ultramar Independent Contracting
#32 - 2014-07-02 08:55:58 UTC
Perhaps the OP should sell his cap and buy a ride more appropriate to his wallet.
Baron Chauman
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#33 - 2014-07-02 09:12:45 UTC  |  Edited by: Baron Chauman
Deebo Singleton wrote:
The current price of PLEX is a reflection of the fact that making isk is easier and demand for them is higher than ever. Therefor you're competing with other irl poors for all those "I gotcha bro," tickets in the market.


Except this isn't quite true.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w2hsqEvPGWQ
CCP basically confirmed during the economics presentation that the plex price increase is due to speculation/hoarding rather than user demand. It's not other "poors" you are competing with, but rather with people who have too much isk who can't find anything better to do with it than buy plex, since this is considered a relatively safe investment.

Those get even richer, and everyone who relies on grinding for x plex every month either get poorer, have to grind even more or quit/unsub a couple alts. Capitalism simulator operating as intended.
Gully Alex Foyle
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#34 - 2014-07-02 09:24:20 UTC
Baron Chauman wrote:
Deebo Singleton wrote:
The current price of PLEX is a reflection of the fact that making isk is easier and demand for them is higher than ever. Therefor you're competing with other irl poors for all those "I gotcha bro," tickets in the market.


Except this isn't quite true.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w2hsqEvPGWQ
CCP basically confirmed during the economics presentation that the plex price increase is due to speculation/hoarding rather than user demand. It's not other "poors" you are competing with, but rather with people who have too much isk who can't find anything better to do with it than buy plex, since this is considered a relatively safe investment.

Those get even richer, and everyone who relies on grinding for x plex every month either get poorer, have to grind even more or quit/unsub a couple alts. Capitalism simulator operating as intended.
I agree PLEX speculation/hoarding probably does more harm than good to the game as a whole.

CCP could consider limiting PLEX possession to, say, 12 per character. Not sure if that would f*k up things even worse, though. Big smile

Make space glamorous! Is EVE dying or not? Ask the EVE-O Death-o-meter!
Grunanca
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#35 - 2014-07-02 09:35:00 UTC
THCS wrote:
Sup all,

I want to start a discussion on Eve endgame and the cost of eve in terms of plex, time and RL $...

The inflated plexs price is putting a serious clamp on people's budget and I feel it kind of alienating the old veterans who are trying to enjoy end-game content and have loads of high-value capitals at risk. As a semi-casual player and full-time worker that doesn't want to play $540/ year or 480 hrs of my time just to keep a float in eve, its pretty hard to keep up with and enjoy eve content.

Playing eve has gotten pretty expensive for a 100+ mil SP /super/ and cap toon and doesn't seem to be slowing down.

Lets face it: Owning capitals capitals requires support toons. Players who don't want to shell out $15-20 a month need to buy plexs in game to support their capitals and accounts. With the increased cost of plexs recently, I don't think Capital pilots can sustain their accounts for long without eating into their ISK or RL savings or taking out a loads of time out of RL to put toward grinding for isk.

Lets do the math shall we? An average player plays 10-20 hrs a week and owns 2-3 accounts in eve; at current plex sell and buy order bids, that's 2.2 bil isk a month to keep them active. An average pilot makes roughly 60-100 mil/hr from ratting. To earn a plex, it takes 7-12 hrs to plex one account. That's on average 36 hrs of play time to pay off just the plex for subscription and also does not include operating costs and risk of ship loss.

My rough estimate is that it takes 40 hrs of grinding to pay off one's sub for 3 accounts. That's 3 weeks of free continuously effort we have to put towards eve!!

Idk, I kinda want eve developers to bring price of plexs down because this inflation trend is really putty a strain on my RL time and In-game budget. Do any of you Eve Vets share the same sentiment?


Move out of Africa and find a job that pays minimum wage. That way you wont have to use your real savings to pay for an account. Also, what you are complaining about is what you can do with 3 accounts in high sec. Why should you be allowed to pay for your game with minimal effort? You do know, that is exactely why the plex price is skyrocketing? The more people that can afford plexes with casual play, the less people will buy plexes and the price goes up.

I can recommend wormholes, level 5 missions or 0.0 plexing. All of these activities can be done solo with some effort and balls, all while giving a minimum yield of 200 mil per hour if done right, even more if done good.
Schmata Bastanold
In Boobiez We Trust
#36 - 2014-07-02 09:35:15 UTC
Geezus, Alex, let me hoard in peace.

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Solecist Project
#37 - 2014-07-02 09:57:53 UTC
I congratulate you receiving the award of ...

Stupid troll, with people stupider than you falling for it.

That ringing in your ears you're experiencing right now is the last gasping breathe of a dying inner ear as it got thoroughly PULVERISED by the point roaring over your head at supersonic speeds. - Tippia
Seven Koskanaiken
Shadow Legions.
Insidious.
#38 - 2014-07-02 10:49:20 UTC
THCS wrote:
Sup all,

I want to start a discussion on Eve endgame and the cost of eve in terms of plex, time and RL $...

The inflated plexs price is putting a serious clamp on people's budget and I feel it kind of alienating the old veterans who are trying to enjoy end-game content and have loads of high-value capitals at risk. As a semi-casual player and full-time worker that doesn't want to play $540/ year or 480 hrs of my time just to keep a float in eve, its pretty hard to keep up with and enjoy eve content.

Playing eve has gotten pretty expensive for a 100+ mil SP /super/ and cap toon and doesn't seem to be slowing down.

Lets face it: Owning capitals capitals requires support toons. Players who don't want to shell out $15-20 a month need to buy plexs in game to support their capitals and accounts. With the increased cost of plexs recently, I don't think Capital pilots can sustain their accounts for long without eating into their ISK or RL savings or taking out a loads of time out of RL to put toward grinding for isk.

Lets do the math shall we? An average player plays 10-20 hrs a week and owns 2-3 accounts in eve; at current plex sell and buy order bids, that's 2.2 bil isk a month to keep them active. An average pilot makes roughly 60-100 mil/hr from ratting. To earn a plex, it takes 7-12 hrs to plex one account. That's on average 36 hrs of play time to pay off just the plex for subscription and also does not include operating costs and risk of ship loss.

My rough estimate is that it takes 40 hrs of grinding to pay off one's sub for 3 accounts. That's 3 weeks of free continuously effort we have to put towards eve!!

Idk, I kinda want eve developers to bring price of plexs down because this inflation trend is really putty a strain on my RL time and In-game budget. Do any of you Eve Vets share the same sentiment?


Don't worry, you can join INK instead and be a subhuman meatshield slave.
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
#39 - 2014-07-02 10:52:18 UTC
Baron Chauman wrote:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w2hsqEvPGWQ
CCP basically confirmed during the economics presentation that the plex price increase is due to speculation/hoarding rather than user demand. It's not other "poors" you are competing with, but rather with people who have too much isk who can't find anything better to do with it than buy plex, since this is considered a relatively safe investment.

Those get even richer, and everyone who relies on grinding for x plex every month either get poorer, have to grind even more or quit/unsub a couple alts. Capitalism simulator operating as intended.

Man, I gotta buy more plex...

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Yishna Strone
We Aim To MisBehave
Wild Geese.
#40 - 2014-07-02 11:03:47 UTC
....You're complaining about having to pay $540 a year?
Seriously?
As someone has pointed out, that works out to $1.48 a day...If you can't afford to play, maybe you should get a higher paying job?

Heck even in my country macdonalds pays $5 an hour.