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Goldiiee
Bureau of Astronomical Anomalies
#621 - 2014-06-22 19:20:08 UTC  |  Edited by: Goldiiee
I can see the primary concern of everyone involved is the dysfunction of NCN's and alternatives on how to fix that. Perhaps a better suggestion is to do away with them al together, design a new site with similar in EHP and difficulty, but designed to use the 60km travel to gates, and a medium tower bash under continuous fire, as a way of prepping and training for the HQ TCRC sites.

TCRC; We lose the most ships to this site (even more than Mom's) and it's usually due to the player inexperience with this particular type of site, combined with 40 on grid, cluttered Coms, and little to no real way to explain it other than throw them in the pool and hope they swim.

I don't think anyone would miss the NCN's regardless of how they are tweaked, but a training ground for the more difficult TCRC's would be a helpful added advantage to the community as a whole.

Edit; Ack Ignore me I posted in the wrong thread, was meant for the one James linked.

Things that keep me up at night;  Why do we use a voice communication device to send telegraphs? Moore's Law should state, Once you have paid off the last PC upgrade you will need another.
James Baboli
Warp to Pharmacy
#622 - 2014-06-22 19:45:55 UTC
Goldiiee wrote:

TCRC; We lose the most ships to this site (even more than Mom's) and it's usually due to the player inexperience with this particular type of site, combined with 40 on grid, cluttered Coms, and little to no real way to explain it other than throw them in the pool and hope they swim.

I don't think anyone would miss the NCN's regardless of how they are tweaked, but a training ground for the more difficult TCRC's would be a helpful added advantage to the community as a whole.

Edit; Ack Ignore me I posted in the wrong thread, was meant for the one James linked.

TCRCs aren't that bad. If you run boosts and the 70% resist profile, they can be done with 5 logi. It's a minimum of 6 for the 65% resist profile.
More problematic is people not broadcasting on time, and then panicing into crapping up coms. This is where real FCing comes in, and you have to calm your fleet the heck down, and back on track.
I would not like to see a TCRC lite in place of the splint gate NCNs, but most people who have flown with me will agree that I'm a bit silly.

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Goldiiee
Bureau of Astronomical Anomalies
#623 - 2014-06-23 19:20:01 UTC
Good news for Assault Systems.
https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=4740121#post4740121
Coming in August, NCN's sites limited to 'At most half of the sites in system'

Things that keep me up at night;  Why do we use a voice communication device to send telegraphs? Moore's Law should state, Once you have paid off the last PC upgrade you will need another.
James Baboli
Warp to Pharmacy
#624 - 2014-06-23 20:09:19 UTC
Still pushing to open them up for Command ships, because then spare boost toons have a way to make isk.

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Making battleships worth the warp
Keith Planck
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#625 - 2014-06-25 18:38:48 UTC
Goldiiee wrote:
Good news for Assault Systems.
https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=4740121#post4740121
Coming in August, NCN's sites limited to 'At most half of the sites in system'


NCO marauders, I'm feelin' it

♞
Nolak Ataru
Hedion University
Amarr Empire
#626 - 2014-06-25 19:10:59 UTC
Keith Planck wrote:
Goldiiee wrote:
Good news for Assault Systems.
https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=4740121#post4740121
Coming in August, NCN's sites limited to 'At most half of the sites in system'


NCO marauders, I'm feelin' it


TIG runs Marauder fleets. There's also a boxer who runs a fleet of paladins.
Xylem Viliana
homeless bum
#627 - 2014-06-26 14:33:46 UTC
Nolak Ataru wrote:
Keith Planck wrote:
Goldiiee wrote:
Good news for Assault Systems.
https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=4740121#post4740121
Coming in August, NCN's sites limited to 'At most half of the sites in system'


NCO marauders, I'm feelin' it


TIG runs Marauder fleets. There's also a boxer who runs a fleet of paladins.


Fungu runs an ISBoxer pally fleet, there are also a vargur multiboxer that runs around.

It might be good to also point out the Sorionuk and a few other older FC's have put together a public IIC armor community.
Goldiiee
Bureau of Astronomical Anomalies
#628 - 2014-06-26 16:33:02 UTC
Xylem Viliana wrote:

It might be good to also point out the Sorionuk and a few other older FC's have put together a public IIC armor community.

You have anything more specific I should add to the OP under armor communities?

Things that keep me up at night;  Why do we use a voice communication device to send telegraphs? Moore's Law should state, Once you have paid off the last PC upgrade you will need another.
Nolak Ataru
Hedion University
Amarr Empire
#629 - 2014-06-26 23:08:21 UTC
Xylem Viliana wrote:
Nolak Ataru wrote:
Keith Planck wrote:
Goldiiee wrote:
Good news for Assault Systems.
https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=4740121#post4740121
Coming in August, NCN's sites limited to 'At most half of the sites in system'


NCO marauders, I'm feelin' it


TIG runs Marauder fleets. There's also a boxer who runs a fleet of paladins.


Fungu runs an ISBoxer pally fleet, there are also a vargur multiboxer that runs around.

It might be good to also point out the Sorionuk and a few other older FC's have put together a public IIC armor community.


Well I was trying to not name names.....

Do you mean the new OIC armor community?
I'd love to fly with em but I'm too used to solo life these days. Jill is doing some fantastic work last time i was able to log into TQ.
Xylem Viliana
homeless bum
#630 - 2014-06-26 23:44:46 UTC
Nolak Ataru wrote:
Xylem Viliana wrote:
Nolak Ataru wrote:
Keith Planck wrote:
Goldiiee wrote:
Good news for Assault Systems.
https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=4740121#post4740121
Coming in August, NCN's sites limited to 'At most half of the sites in system'


NCO marauders, I'm feelin' it


TIG runs Marauder fleets. There's also a boxer who runs a fleet of paladins.


Fungu runs an ISBoxer pally fleet, there are also a vargur multiboxer that runs around.

It might be good to also point out the Sorionuk and a few other older FC's have put together a public IIC armor community.


Well I was trying to not name names.....

Do you mean the new OIC armor community?
I'd love to fly with em but I'm too used to solo life these days. Jill is doing some fantastic work last time i was able to log into TQ.


I fc for OIC from time to time so you are more than welcome

@Gold the channel name i think is "IIC public" they are an armor VG blitz fleet i think, forms usually just after DT. But if you are in the current inc Chardu just watch the incursion channel. Sorionuk is a very experienced fc. I believe he fcd the first ever mothership site. Certainly worth looking into, he uses mumble and eve voice.
Goldiiee
Bureau of Astronomical Anomalies
#631 - 2014-06-26 23:54:27 UTC
Xylem Viliana wrote:
Nolak Ataru wrote:


Well I was trying to not name names.....

Do you mean the new OIC armor community?
I'd love to fly with em but I'm too used to solo life these days. Jill is doing some fantastic work last time i was able to log into TQ.


I fc for OIC from time to time so you are more than welcome

@Gold the channel name i think is "IIC public" they are an armor VG blitz fleet i think, forms usually just after DT. But if you are in the current inc Chardu just watch the incursion channel. Sorionuk is a very experienced fc. I believe he fcd the first ever mothership site. Certainly worth looking into, he uses mumble and eve voice.

I added them to the OP if anyone gets better information let me know with an email or here in the thread and I will update it.

Things that keep me up at night;  Why do we use a voice communication device to send telegraphs? Moore's Law should state, Once you have paid off the last PC upgrade you will need another.
Nolak Ataru
Hedion University
Amarr Empire
#632 - 2014-06-26 23:55:07 UTC
Xylem Viliana wrote:
I fc for OIC from time to time so you are more than welcome

@Gold the channel name i think is "IIC public" they are an armor VG blitz fleet i think, forms usually just after DT. But if you are in the current inc Chardu just watch the incursion channel. Sorionuk is a very experienced fc. I believe he fcd the first ever mothership site. Certainly worth looking into, he uses mumble and eve voice.


Appreciate it greatly. I might just take you and Jill up on that offer soon, but as I said, I'm used to solo.
James Baboli
Warp to Pharmacy
#633 - 2014-06-30 11:10:19 UTC
Nolak admitting he's a boxer. Makes me long for the days I was fooling with blowing up his ospreys by using a little known mechanic of locking and then then unlocking repeatedly around timers for aggro swaps.

Talking more,

Flying crazier,

And drinking more

Making battleships worth the warp
Goldiiee
Bureau of Astronomical Anomalies
#634 - 2014-07-01 22:28:58 UTC
I just got a mail from a perspective Incursion runner, and he tells me some of my groups listed in the OP are no longer running, or at least their chats are inaccessible. I am unfortunately working my RL ass off and unable to play the game beyond logging in for training queue changes, if anyone can confirm new channels or dead groups I would appreciate it so I can keep the thread up to date even if I can't get my own personal healthy dose of EVE.

Relegated to Forum Warrior by necessity of starve and play, or eat and live. Lol

Things that keep me up at night;  Why do we use a voice communication device to send telegraphs? Moore's Law should state, Once you have paid off the last PC upgrade you will need another.
James Baboli
Warp to Pharmacy
#635 - 2014-07-02 03:33:41 UTC
Goldiiee wrote:
I just got a mail from a perspective Incursion runner, and he tells me some of my groups listed in the OP are no longer running, or at least their chats are inaccessible. I am unfortunately working my RL ass off and unable to play the game beyond logging in for training queue changes, if anyone can confirm new channels or dead groups I would appreciate it so I can keep the thread up to date even if I can't get my own personal healthy dose of EVE.

Relegated to Forum Warrior by necessity of starve and play, or eat and live. Lol

If no one steps up in a day or two, I will do a check of live channels about weekly. For those looking for an ingame list of live channels, "Incursion public" is a medium active chat with channel links to most channels in the MOTD, and actively filters dead channels.

Talking more,

Flying crazier,

And drinking more

Making battleships worth the warp
Komodo Askold
Strategic Exploration and Development Corp
Silent Company
#636 - 2014-07-09 11:23:06 UTC  |  Edited by: Komodo Askold
First of all, thank you very much Goldiiee for creating this topic. I'm completely new to Incursions and I'm finding it greatly helpful.

Now, I wanted to ask some things I'd be very grateful to have answered.

So, I have high skills and, following my corpmates' advice, decided to try out with TVP. I just finished training T2 artilleries and fit a Maelstrom as they recommend on their mailing list. I am ready in that sense, but also a bit lost on some things.

1.- Let's say I get an afternoon with spare hours to play. Time has come to join a TVP fleet and bring my ship. Now: how can I know in what Incursion area are they? I guess TVP in particular is Empire focused, but what constellation? Do large Incursion groups have fleets in several constellations simultaneously, or do they stick to a single one?

2.- Once I'm nearby, how to contact them? I'd like to talk with one of their FC's or trainers and present myself as a newbie, to get some advice focused on their group. The thing is that their webpage is... no longer there. In fact, the link provided in the OP, which is the same one provided by TVP in their mailing lists, leads only to an advertising webpage. They even had a Newbie Guide, but leads to the same webpage. So I don't know who to contact or any other advice they might had have. What do you recommend me?

3.- Once in a fleet and going, what can be expected from a newbie in a Sniper role? Just follow FC orders, shoot the tags and broadcast for shields? I ask this because there's a lot of abreviations for JJJ, MTAC... that are starting to make my head hurt a bit.

Thank you very much in advance!

EDIT: just found TVP's new webpage: link. For if you want to add it to the OP :)
Goldiiee
Bureau of Astronomical Anomalies
#637 - 2014-07-09 12:35:51 UTC  |  Edited by: Goldiiee
Komodo Askold wrote:
First of all, thank you very much Goldiiee for creating this topic. I'm completely new to Incursions and I'm finding it greatly helpful.

Now, I wanted to ask some things I'd be very grateful to have answered.

So, I have high skills and, following my corpmates' advice, decided to try out with TVP. I just finished training T2 artilleries and fit a Maelstrom as they recommend on their mailing list. I am ready in that sense, but also a bit lost on some things.

1.- Let's say I get an afternoon with spare hours to play. Time has come to join a TVP fleet and bring my ship. Now: how can I know in what Incursion area are they? I guess TVP in particular is Empire focused, but what constellation? Do large Incursion groups have fleets in several constellations simultaneously, or do they stick to a single one?

2.- Once I'm nearby, how to contact them? I'd like to talk with one of their FC's or trainers and present myself as a newbie, to get some advice focused on their group. The thing is that their webpage is... no longer there. In fact, the link provided in the OP, which is the same one provided by TVP in their mailing lists, leads only to an advertising webpage. They even had a Newbie Guide, but leads to the same webpage. So I don't know who to contact or any other advice they might had have. What do you recommend me?

3.- Once in a fleet and going, what can be expected from a newbie in a Sniper role? Just follow FC orders, shoot the tags and broadcast for shields? I ask this because there's a lot of abreviations for JJJ, MTAC... that are starting to make my head hurt a bit.

Thank you very much in advance!

EDIT: just found TVP's new webpage: link. For if you want to add it to the OP :)

Sorry about that, I had their old host linked, but I got the current one up there now. The link for TVP should work now.

#1. Once you join their chat channel the MOTD will display where you should be going, and the activity of the fleet, (up, down, pending)

#2. the chat channel is the only way to get fleet Invites, but logging into Teamspeak and seeing who's on and what they are talking about is also a great way to get a heads up for fleets and news.

#3. Yep you got it right, do what the FC tells you and shoot the targets that are range appropriate to your fit, then work on the ones that are out of range or to close for good hits.

I am unfamiliar with JJJ for Incursions but here are a few that I do know.
AAA; Anchor, usually the FC but not always, the guy you will follow if you're not assigned to the VVV.
VVV; Vindicator Anchor, kind of self explanatory, Vindi's have about 3 feet of range so they get move around a lot.
DDD; Drone bunny, guy who gets drones assigned and kills frigs first.
WWW; Common for 'warp to' whoever put it in chat.
LLL; Logi anchor

Going through the alphabet and brain just went blank... Well the rest of the fleet indicators are easy to understand and if one pops up that you don't know just ask and I am sure there will be 5 answers in fleet chat within seconds. Nobody thinks you came knowing it all, and the guys that do think they know it all usually die in the first few sites.

Some other things.

MTAC; An item you have to pull from one structure and place in another structure to stop towers from repairing themselves during a tower bash in a TCRC.
TCRC; True Creations Research Center, the most difficult site in an HQ system, but can be completed faster than the rest when done right.
NRF; Nation Rebirth Facility, Low difficulty HQ site with medium to heavy spawns at varying ranges.
TPPH; True Power Provisional Headquarters, A site the requires traveling through two gates (Excluding the first) 60km apart while removing the spawns in each room then killing a tower in the last room. These site are easy (relatively) but thanks to the travel and tower bash they take the longest of all three sites.

If you have any more that I haven't covered, put them here in the thread someone will have the answer. I am sure you're not the first to wonder what all these abbreviations mean.

Things that keep me up at night;  Why do we use a voice communication device to send telegraphs? Moore's Law should state, Once you have paid off the last PC upgrade you will need another.
Sentenced 1989
#638 - 2014-07-09 12:38:57 UTC
Komodo Askold wrote:

1.- Let's say I get an afternoon with spare hours to play. Time has come to join a TVP fleet and bring my ship. Now: how can I know in what Incursion area are they? I guess TVP in particular is Empire focused, but what constellation? Do large Incursion groups have fleets in several constellations simultaneously, or do they stick to a single one?


They stick to one constellation, join in their channel and read in MOTD where they are (message of the day, every channel has one and you can read it when you join/login and you can refresh it by clicking on the little cog icon in your chat window and selecting reload motd option)

Komodo Askold wrote:

2.- Once I'm nearby, how to contact them? I'd like to talk with one of their FC's or trainers and present myself as a newbie, to get some advice focused on their group. The thing is that their webpage is... no longer there. In fact, the link provided in the OP, which is the same one provided by TVP in their mailing lists, leads only to an advertising webpage. They even had a Newbie Guide, but leads to the same webpage. So I don't know who to contact or any other advice they might had have. What do you recommend me?


Once you see where they are, in their channel just type "x" and drag and drop your ship fitting, if there is a fleet going and your fit is acceptable, you should get invite. For new players - Warp to FC first time. Once you land, try to warp again. If you hear message "you cannot warp there because natural phenoma is disrupting your warp" it means you are at correct site. After that ask FC if the gate is clear to take, once he says its green then activate gate. Every new warp will be done to broadcasted site by yourself or by FC, but he will say it on comms. Also, join comms before you get into site. And for HQ ask how to broadcast for shield. Never take gate unless FC says so. That covers most basics

Komodo Askold wrote:

3.- Once in a fleet and going, what can be expected from a newbie in a Sniper role? Just follow FC orders, shoot the tags and broadcast for shields? I ask this because there's a lot of abreviations for JJJ, MTAC... that are starting to make my head hurt a bit.

For starters, keep range your anchor, usually called LA or long range anchor, shoot tags, most fleets have 1-9 for whole fleet or just for short range, snipers use A-F, so if you don't see letters, shoot numbers, once you see letters, switch to letters.

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Marc Callan
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#639 - 2014-07-09 12:54:36 UTC
For incursions, J isn't a member of the fleet, but rather a special target tag indicating "DO NOT SHOOT THIS". Generally, the target-tagger will put the J tag on whichever ship serves as the trigger for the next wave. If the trigger goes off prematurely, someone in the site is probably going to have an ... interesting time.

(As in: "I don't suppose any of the logibros brought hull rep drones?")

"We are what we pretend to be, so we must be careful about what we pretend to be." - Kurt Vonnegurt
Jill Antaris
Jill's Open Incursion Corp
#640 - 2014-07-09 12:54:42 UTC  |  Edited by: Jill Antaris
Komodo Askold wrote:

1.- Let's say I get an afternoon with spare hours to play. Time has come to join a TVP fleet and bring my ship. Now: how can I know in what Incursion area are they? I guess TVP in particular is Empire focused, but what constellation? Do large Incursion groups have fleets in several constellations simultaneously, or do they stick to a single one?


The Focus(Inc they are doing) is listed in the MOTD of her channel, together with the dock up station. Channels never split over different Incs, because this would be to confusing for players xing up while they are in the wrong Inc to join the fleet.

Komodo Askold wrote:
2.- Once I'm nearby, how to contact them? I'd like to talk with one of their FC's or trainers and present myself as a newbie, to get some advice focused on their group. The thing is that their webpage is... no longer there. In fact, the link provided in the OP, which is the same one provided by TVP in their mailing lists, leads only to an advertising webpage. They even had a Newbie Guide, but leads to the same webpage. So I don't know who to contact or any other advice they might had have. What do you recommend me?


You put a x in the channel like everybody else but don't expect in detail explanation in HQ channels that switch out 5-10 players every hour. This simply would take to much time. If you want to have some more deep explanation of why stuff is done, instead the FC just telling you what to do you are probably better off looking for that kind of information in smaller channels that have a bit more time to explain things or look for somebody in the TVP channel with a bit of time on her hands when there is no Inc up, since most FCs simply don't have the time to explain everything to every new guy while they have to FC on grid.

Komodo Askold wrote:
3.- Once in a fleet and going, what can be expected from a newbie in a Sniper role? Just follow FC orders, shoot the tags and broadcast for shields? I ask this because there's a lot of abreviations for JJJ, MTAC... that are starting to make my head hurt a bit.


You will simply follow the sniper anker(the AAA, there is also a VVV anker for close range ships) by keeping range to it, stop your ship again where the anker holds and shoot letters first, then numbers in a sniper BS. It is fairly unlikely that you will have to do MTAC the first day in Incs and in a sniper. This is also explained in the TVP guide: http://thevalhallaproject.info/newbie_guide.html