EVE General Discussion

I liked living in a C2 just fine. But the PVP was basically gank or be ganked. In 9 months I think we had maybe 4 actual fights. The rest of the time it was cloaky spots PVEer, get dudes together to bring enough for the kill, warp to cloaky, kill kill. Not that ganking isn't fun mind you. But I can gank miners and missioners in HS with a lot less hassle. Part of that was probably my fault since I was paranoid about recruiting into corp since POSes suck. Although I did get some guys in corp, it was never enough to beat the attrition rate.

Then there was the long stretches of finding no one in any hole. Days would go by without any contact. Sometimes days more before you could find something pewable.

So whs fun, but you need some dudes to fight with, then you need to find some dudes to fight.

I used to live in worm hole space for quite a long time. that was early on. There was too much scanning and logistics were a pain living out of a PoS also a huge pain. The profits were nice enough that it was worth it but after a while there was just too many people doing it and the income potential droped. I can make more isk per hour all things considered in Known space.

If you can fly a T2 tank Drake you can live in a C1. Even better, live in a C2 with a C1 static.

I'd love to live in a 'hole
But I don't know what to do



I see wormholes as one of many mysterious things I haven't tried yet in the game. It'll be my treat when I finish eating the pies I do have my fingers in..

That's the big hurdle for me, I truly loath scanning. Of course, I guess you either get good at it or die (lost and alone in the wilderness) trying.

That said, the real reason I haven't tried it yet is I enjoy doing what I'm doing, and when I finally get sick of it (or someone finally sets our coalition on fire), I will probably nut up and give it a shot as a change of pace.

Clearly people talking about logistics being a pain in the ass has not lived in a wormhole. Sure you can't move **** right away all the time but many times you will get that HS/LS that is close to amarr and Jita. TBH it is many times easier then Null logistics.

Also the "no local" makes for me the whole wormhole experience so much more thrilling, to be able to sneak up on a fleet or someone without them even knowing you are in the system is priceless.

So, lots of debate, are wormholes viable for low SP pilots or not?

It really doesn't take much SP, least not to get yourself into a low-class hole (C1-3).

You need to be able to scan confidently and salvage efficiently, use cloaking devices, and fly/fit a Battlecruiser effectively to be able to farm the sleepers. If you want to day trip into wormholes then that's it ... no big deal really.

You want to live in one then you'll need a few more skills to maintain your POS, but it won't take very long at all.

Evictions sound tantalizing, superficially. But in reality it's a lot more about PVS (player versus structure) than any meaningful or exciting PVP.

The typical wormhole eviction will 90% of the time entail:

1. Moving into the system, watching the locals scatter, maybe ganking a few of them in the process
2. Spending several hours (or potential much, much longer) reinforcing the resident towers
3. Bubbling the towers and exits and maintaining sleep-depriving, pee-in-a-bottle 24h hole-control for upwards or two days while you wait for the tower's to come out of reinforce. Maybe ganking one or two more locals during this period as they desperately attempt to move out or self-destruct everything.
4. Spending hours destroying the towers and their modules after they come out of reinforce, scooping any loot left over.
5. Op success

Maybe 10% of the time will the eviction target be ready and capable to defend against the invader, providing somewhat of a good fight. Similarly only 10% of the time will they invest in a mercenary to come defend them. Evictions are very time-consuming and mind-numbingly boring for the most part. There are many other things much more exciting to spend your time doing in WH space!

Having said that, I still enjoy a good invasion or eviction. Simply because the novelty for me hasn't worn off yet, but ask 90% of the pilots I've flown with and they'll echo pretty much the sentiments I wrote above - Sieges are boring. But if they're what you want to do then go join any WH merc corp and you'll likely find yourself doing evictions semi-regularly.

If you and your scout want excitement then start wandering through W-space. Hunting people you come across and perhaps even finding a system with vulnerable bear inhabitants worth camping and terrorizing for a week or two, leaving only after they pay a ransom or bring someone in to kill you = good times!

Getting stuck out there would suck. If they would introduce a ship like the Orca, but more of a mobile space station that can deploy and lockout other pilots with a forcefield and PW access, I'd think about it.

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