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BrundleMeth
State War Academy
Caldari State
#281 - 2014-07-01 11:03:49 UTC
I hope they go up to 2 Billion... then I can get more for a GTC....
Eugene Kerner
TunDraGon
Goonswarm Federation
#282 - 2014-07-01 15:35:15 UTC
Hasikan Miallok wrote:
From this thread I have concluded that:

I like pie.

grrr Goons.

Gold ammo is awesome and I wants some.

The thread needs more latin informal fallacies. I suggest:


Ad Hominem: When lacking a counter argument attack the person and call them an idiot/hippy/pedophile.
Ad Absurdum: Appeal to Ridicule - basically if you can make it look silly it must be wrong.
Ad Antiquitatem: Appeal to Tradition - yep back in the old days we got it right so take note.
Ad Baculum: Appeal to Fear ... watch out those commo jihadist mafia teenage street gangs will get you.
Ad Hominem Tu Quoque: Personal Inconsistency ... who cares what I said last post
Ad Ignorantium: Argument from Ignorance ... basically I am right and that makes all the evidence wrong.
Ad Metum: another Appeal to Fear ... popular one this one.
Ad Misericordiam: Appeal to Pity .... I must be correct else you have no compassion and kill kittens.
Ad Nauseum: Repetition - if I say it over and over people will believe it.
Ad Novitam: Appeal to Novelty ... its so weird it must be true.
Ad Numeram: Appeal to Common Practice ... we all do it and we cannot all be wrong ... can we ?
Ad Populum: Appeal to Common Belief or Bandwagon ... if its popular it must be true.
Ad Ridiculum: another Appeal to Ridicule ... works well.
Ad Verecundiam: Appeal to Authority ... just indulge in name dropping. also called Ad Auctoritate.
*** Hoc Ergo Propter Hoc: This is actually a formal fallacy
Dicto Simpliciter: Lets make a big point of things that are similar by accident.
Ignoratio Elenchi: Missing the Point. A good way of side tracking a discussion.
In Terrorem: Appeal to Fear (again) this one is the favorite of the political right.
Non Causa Pro Causa: This is actually a formal fallacy
Non Sequitur: See Affirming the Consequent, Denying the Antecedent or Missing the Point.
Petitio Principii: Begging the Question. talking in circles really.
Plurium Interrogationum: fool them with too many Questions
Post Hoc: Formal fallacy. X follows Y. Therefore X is caused by Y. Favorite of the popular press.
Post hoc, ergo propter hoc: see Post Hoc
Reductio ad Absurdum: yep Appeal to Ridicule yet again, embaress tehm so no-one will take any notice.
Reductio ad Ridiculum: another Appeal to Ridicule, popular isn't it.



Sigh...
Unzips...

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Jenn aSide
Worthless Carebears
The Initiative.
#283 - 2014-07-01 15:49:35 UTC
Hasikan Miallok wrote:
From this thread I have concluded that:

I like pie.

grrr Goons.

Gold ammo is awesome and I wants some.

The thread needs more latin informal fallacies. I suggest:


Ad Hominem: When lacking a counter argument attack the person and call them an idiot/hippy/pedophile.
Ad Absurdum: Appeal to Ridicule - basically if you can make it look silly it must be wrong.
Ad Antiquitatem: Appeal to Tradition - yep back in the old days we got it right so take note.
Ad Baculum: Appeal to Fear ... watch out those commo jihadist mafia teenage street gangs will get you.
Ad Hominem Tu Quoque: Personal Inconsistency ... who cares what I said last post
Ad Ignorantium: Argument from Ignorance ... basically I am right and that makes all the evidence wrong.
Ad Metum: another Appeal to Fear ... popular one this one.
Ad Misericordiam: Appeal to Pity .... I must be correct else you have no compassion and kill kittens.
Ad Nauseum: Repetition - if I say it over and over people will believe it.
Ad Novitam: Appeal to Novelty ... its so weird it must be true.
Ad Numeram: Appeal to Common Practice ... we all do it and we cannot all be wrong ... can we ?
Ad Populum: Appeal to Common Belief or Bandwagon ... if its popular it must be true.
Ad Ridiculum: another Appeal to Ridicule ... works well.
Ad Verecundiam: Appeal to Authority ... just indulge in name dropping. also called Ad Auctoritate.
*** Hoc Ergo Propter Hoc: This is actually a formal fallacy
Dicto Simpliciter: Lets make a big point of things that are similar by accident.
Ignoratio Elenchi: Missing the Point. A good way of side tracking a discussion.
In Terrorem: Appeal to Fear (again) this one is the favorite of the political right.
Non Causa Pro Causa: This is actually a formal fallacy
Non Sequitur: See Affirming the Consequent, Denying the Antecedent or Missing the Point.
Petitio Principii: Begging the Question. talking in circles really.
Plurium Interrogationum: fool them with too many Questions
Post Hoc: Formal fallacy. X follows Y. Therefore X is caused by Y. Favorite of the popular press.
Post hoc, ergo propter hoc: see Post Hoc
Reductio ad Absurdum: yep Appeal to Ridicule yet again, embaress tehm so no-one will take any notice.
Reductio ad Ridiculum: another Appeal to Ridicule, popular isn't it.




New Fallacies:

Ad Tippium: Your wrong because of Tippia

Ad Goonum: Your wrong because rifters used to be a thing.

Ad CCPium et Nerfium: you might actually be right, but we're going to nerf the hell out of it anyways.
Lucy Ferrr
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#284 - 2014-07-01 18:07:48 UTC
Sobaan Tali wrote:
Hasikan Miallok wrote:
Lucy Ferrr wrote:
By the end of the summer EVE is going F2P. PLEX's only use will be to get turned into aurum to buy pretty clothes. The bottom will fall out of PLEX prices, settling at 125mil per PLEX. This information is legit, my physic told me all this. So sell your PLEX now.



Your physic ?


Really?

Psychic.


Being physic is sorta like being psychic, except we use physics to see the future instead of mysticism. It's coming I am telling you, 150mil isk plex.
Mr Epeen
It's All About Me
#285 - 2014-07-01 18:49:10 UTC
I like you, Polly. You know how to forum.

As for the rest of you. Get off your one-trick ponies. They need a rest. Status quo is comfortable, I know. But seriously, I've owned parrots that have better critical thinking skills than most of you.

Mr Epeen Cool
Jenn aSide
Worthless Carebears
The Initiative.
#286 - 2014-07-01 18:56:15 UTC
Mr Epeen wrote:
I like you, Polly. You know how to forum.

As for the rest of you. Get off your one-trick ponies. They need a rest. Status quo is comfortable, I know. But seriously, I've owned parrots that have better critical thinking skills than most of you.

Mr Epeen Cool


I see you have been attracted to Polly. Seems the Birds of a Feather saying is true.... Twisted
Socrates' psalmody
Jiao Yu EA Inc
#287 - 2014-07-01 20:50:48 UTC
TharOkha wrote:
TigerXtrm wrote:
As someone who pays for his account the old fashion way and gets free PLEX on occasion, I can only point and laugh at all of you who spend hours grinding each month just to be able to play. Lol


Good for you. But have you ever considered the fact that there are other parts of the world where 20-30 EUR or USD is 1/10 - 1/20 of monthly fee?

Seriously, if that's the case, why not start working on real life issues. I've been to that point before. Ten years back I was a secondary school student, I had three dollars for lunch on each school day. if I wanted to pay for the $25 subscription ( for Ragnarok Online) every month I got to reduce my lunch budget to two dollars per day, and that wasn't enough because school only opened during weekdays, which there were less than 25 days a month. Oh that was hard I tell you. Now I think that was stupid. I couldn't even afford the subscription so why bother playing online games, I should have applied a job or make better use of the time. but at that time in Singapore nobody hired a secondary school student to do anything, it was just different. So for poor under age students farming Isk for plex is pretty much the only option to keep subscription active. For an independent adult however, if paying $30 is an issue then he should seriously consider leveling up his financial situation first. After all this is just a game.

hmmm......
Ria Nieyli
Nieyli Enterprises
When Fleets Collide
#288 - 2014-07-01 20:56:53 UTC  |  Edited by: Ria Nieyli
Socrates' psalmody wrote:
Seriously, if that's the case, why not start working on real life issues. I've been to that point before. Ten years back I was a secondary school student, I had three dollars for lunch on each school day. if I wanted to pay for the $25 subscription ( for Ragnarok Online) every month I got to reduce my lunch budget to two dollars per day, and that wasn't enough because school only opened during weekdays, which there were less than 25 days a month. Oh that was hard I tell you. Now I think that was stupid. I couldn't even afford the subscription so why bother playing online games, I should have applied a job or make better use of the time. but at that time in Singapore nobody hired a secondary school student to do anything, it was just different. So for poor under age students farming Isk for plex is pretty much the only option to keep subscription active. For an independent adult however, if paying $30 is an issue then he should seriously consider leveling up his financial situation first. After all this is just a game.


"I couldn't find a job to fund my hobby because it was impossible, but people unable to fund theirs today are just lazy."

m8 what if I told you that some people have jobs and get enough for plex every month anyway, should they pay with real cash or with ISK? Choose your answer carefully.
Socrates' psalmody
Jiao Yu EA Inc
#289 - 2014-07-01 21:34:28 UTC
One way shortens the life span of an online game is the inflation of its in-game currency. I have seen too many games being abandoned by players because of this. When the amount of currency held by players on average no longer supports normal economical functions properly, people start to trade with real currency for game items. Say for example, if on average it costs a billion to purchase a space shuttle, then eve economy is in the brink of collapse. CCP is watching and making sure that doesn't happen. This game has been around for more than ten years, and majority of the players in eve have characters matured in skill points that can effectively support Isk making activities such as farming, incursion or mining. So by late the rate of Isk generation is increasing as time goes by. If this rate if not being off set by the rate of Isk consuming, such is in-game bills, destruction of ships and so on, the will be net gain of Isk in general, if I'm not wrong that's M0 or M1 in macroeconomic terms. Forgive me if I'm wrong because that's been so long since I sat in Econ class. Yeah, the money supply is greater than consumption, there is more money than goods in market, prices go up. Maybe along the way CCP will figure out some other measures to help consume Isk but the slower the prices increase the more time they have to figure out and implement effective measures.

This Plex thing makes me think of the housing bubble. In general the prices always go up but there are some ups and downs along the way. Maybe I should invest a few dozens of plex and try this novel way of gaming.

hmmm......
Socrates' psalmody
Jiao Yu EA Inc
#290 - 2014-07-01 21:39:59 UTC
Ria Nieyli wrote:
Socrates' psalmody wrote:
Seriously, if that's the case, why not start working on real life issues. I've been to that point before. Ten years back I was a secondary school student, I had three dollars for lunch on each school day. if I wanted to pay for the $25 subscription ( for Ragnarok Online) every month I got to reduce my lunch budget to two dollars per day, and that wasn't enough because school only opened during weekdays, which there were less than 25 days a month. Oh that was hard I tell you. Now I think that was stupid. I couldn't even afford the subscription so why bother playing online games, I should have applied a job or make better use of the time. but at that time in Singapore nobody hired a secondary school student to do anything, it was just different. So for poor under age students farming Isk for plex is pretty much the only option to keep subscription active. For an independent adult however, if paying $30 is an issue then he should seriously consider leveling up his financial situation first. After all this is just a game.


"I couldn't find a job to fund my hobby because it was impossible, but people unable to fund theirs today are just lazy."

m8 what if I told you that some people have jobs and get enough for plex every month anyway, should they pay with real cash or with ISK? Choose your answer carefully.

I was talking about people who has problem spending even $30 in general in response to the person I quote. It's not about choice, it's about "don't play games if you have money issues". Read carefully.

hmmm......
Ria Nieyli
Nieyli Enterprises
When Fleets Collide
#291 - 2014-07-01 21:53:32 UTC  |  Edited by: Ria Nieyli
Socrates' psalmody wrote:
Ria Nieyli wrote:
Socrates' psalmody wrote:
Seriously, if that's the case, why not start working on real life issues. I've been to that point before. Ten years back I was a secondary school student, I had three dollars for lunch on each school day. if I wanted to pay for the $25 subscription ( for Ragnarok Online) every month I got to reduce my lunch budget to two dollars per day, and that wasn't enough because school only opened during weekdays, which there were less than 25 days a month. Oh that was hard I tell you. Now I think that was stupid. I couldn't even afford the subscription so why bother playing online games, I should have applied a job or make better use of the time. but at that time in Singapore nobody hired a secondary school student to do anything, it was just different. So for poor under age students farming Isk for plex is pretty much the only option to keep subscription active. For an independent adult however, if paying $30 is an issue then he should seriously consider leveling up his financial situation first. After all this is just a game.


"I couldn't find a job to fund my hobby because it was impossible, but people unable to fund theirs today are just lazy."

m8 what if I told you that some people have jobs and get enough for plex every month anyway, should they pay with real cash or with ISK? Choose your answer carefully.

I was talking about people who has problem spending even $30 in general in response to the person I quote. It's not about choice, it's about "don't play games if you have money issues". Read carefully.


I hope you realise how much cheaper in general gaming is than other hobbies.

Then there's stuff like PLEX which makes it even cheaper.

So I ask again, if you have a job and can afford to plex with ISK every month, what will you do?
Gully Alex Foyle
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#292 - 2014-07-01 22:02:35 UTC
Ria Nieyli wrote:
So I ask again, if you have a job and can afford to plex with ISK every month, what will you do?
Depends. Please specify where the ISK is coming from.

Make space glamorous! Is EVE dying or not? Ask the EVE-O Death-o-meter!
Tyberius Franklin
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#293 - 2014-07-01 22:07:30 UTC
Ria Nieyli wrote:
So I ask again, if you have a job and can afford to plex with ISK every month, what will you do?
Sub and be done with it, and have 700mill extra to play with each month, or just devote less time/effort to earning isk.
Marsha Mallow
#294 - 2014-07-01 22:10:56 UTC
Tyberius Franklin wrote:
Ria Nieyli wrote:
So I ask again, if you have a job and can afford to plex with ISK every month, what will you do?
Sub and be done with it, and have 700mill extra to play with each month, or just devote less time/effort to earning isk.

What if you enjoy making the ISK and don't have to spend hours grinding to do it?

Ripard Teg > For the morons in the room:

Sweets > U can dd my face any day
Socrates' psalmody
Jiao Yu EA Inc
#295 - 2014-07-01 22:21:53 UTC
Ria Nieyli wrote:
Socrates' psalmody wrote:
Ria Nieyli wrote:
Socrates' psalmody wrote:
Seriously, if that's the case, why not start working on real life issues. I've been to that point before. Ten years back I was a secondary school student, I had three dollars for lunch on each school day. if I wanted to pay for the $25 subscription ( for Ragnarok Online) every month I got to reduce my lunch budget to two dollars per day, and that wasn't enough because school only opened during weekdays, which there were less than 25 days a month. Oh that was hard I tell you. Now I think that was stupid. I couldn't even afford the subscription so why bother playing online games, I should have applied a job or make better use of the time. but at that time in Singapore nobody hired a secondary school student to do anything, it was just different. So for poor under age students farming Isk for plex is pretty much the only option to keep subscription active. For an independent adult however, if paying $30 is an issue then he should seriously consider leveling up his financial situation first. After all this is just a game.


"I couldn't find a job to fund my hobby because it was impossible, but people unable to fund theirs today are just lazy."

m8 what if I told you that some people have jobs and get enough for plex every month anyway, should they pay with real cash or with ISK? Choose your answer carefully.

I was talking about people who has problem spending even $30 in general in response to the person I quote. It's not about choice, it's about "don't play games if you have money issues". Read carefully.


I hope you realise how much cheaper in general gaming is than other hobbies.

Then there's stuff like PLEX which makes it even cheaper.

So I ask again, if you have a job and can afford to plex with ISK every month, what will you do?

You want to play games? Fine. First you got to invest decent amount on a gaming computer. That costs way much more than $30. You got to take that into account . If you have the money for a decent gaming computer, and at the same time you have money issues, what will you do? So read carefully. Plus, I don't believe I have the right to live a balanced life if I ever consider my hobbies costly. If I do, that only means I got to make more money to match my hobbies. I play game because I like it, not because it occupies my time from doing some other more costly activities as a way of lowering entertainment costs. Again, if one considers entertaining himself a costly activity, he needs to level up his income.

hmmm......
Tyberius Franklin
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#296 - 2014-07-01 22:31:28 UTC
Marsha Mallow wrote:
Tyberius Franklin wrote:
Ria Nieyli wrote:
So I ask again, if you have a job and can afford to plex with ISK every month, what will you do?
Sub and be done with it, and have 700mill extra to play with each month, or just devote less time/effort to earning isk.
What if you enjoy making the ISK and don't have to spend hours grinding to do it?
I'd probably still sub just to not have to worry about it, as stated that's still another 700mill per month to throw into whatever as well. I also like not feeling beholden to regular play during times I don't feel like it to keep my account from lapsing.
Li Quiao
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#297 - 2014-07-01 23:39:00 UTC
Socrates' psalmody wrote:
...destruction of ships...


Destruction of ships doesn't remove ISK from the economy. In fact, it *adds* ISK, because the game pays out insurance when it happens.
Hasikan Miallok
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#298 - 2014-07-01 23:48:41 UTC
Li Quiao wrote:
Socrates' psalmody wrote:
...destruction of ships...


Destruction of ships doesn't remove ISK from the economy. In fact, it *adds* ISK, because the game pays out insurance when it happens.


By this logic the best solution to the GFC would have been if we all insured our cars and then went out and drove dangerously.
Nevyn Auscent
Broke Sauce
#299 - 2014-07-02 00:44:28 UTC
Hasikan Miallok wrote:

By this logic the best solution to the GFC would have been if we all insured our cars and then went out and drove dangerously.

Slightly fail logic, since insurance in the real world doesn't create money from thin air, while insurance in EVE does. Hence why EVE insurance is a net isk faucet.
This isn't player guesses, it's hard numbers released by CCP that say so.
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#300 - 2014-07-02 00:47:08 UTC
Hasikan Miallok wrote:
By this logic the best solution to the GFC would have been if we all insured our cars and then went out and drove dangerously.

It's not a matter of logic, but of game mechanics, and it has nothing to do with real life.

Insurance is an ISK faucet by very design. You could conceivably destroy ISK with it by being really really stupid, but it turns out people aren't actually that dumb. Shocking, I know. P