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TL;DR Calm your ****, everything is fine .. just fly more Garbage....

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HerrBert
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#1 - 2014-07-01 12:20:15 UTC
Okay this morning I woke up, had a coffee, had a **** and opened Reddit... and what did I see?


http://i.imgur.com/c76aKNe.png
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1vfTmXQqLkimYh6jH7Hk8eCSe_VYtgy02fLT4SPYq64M/edit?pli=1#gid=1162691724

These wonderful Images. Of course afterwards i had to clean my monitor of the Wonderful Liquid known as coffee...
and then put the rest in my brain... which started screaming...

WHY IS EVERYBODY SAYING YOU GUYS ARE DEAD?
WHY DA FUGG ISN't CCP MORE INVOLVED IN WORMHOLES?
WHY DA TRIPLE FUDGE SUPER CHERRYWHIP CREAM FUGG ...waiiit.... waaiiit a minute.

The theory "ISK Destroyed" / Player is higher in Wormholes is well known ... and then there are these special people

https://no-ho.com/killboard/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=26698

As you can see some people are so bored they fly a 10b DREAD...
I mean how broken is that...
Why arent those 4 dreads which 3 got well welped in SOMEWHERE... not saying that I appreciate a well balanced Fit (Far Webrange or Pointrange for example) but in a Magnetar that Dread is nothing more than "a nice KILLMAIL"
It clearly shows that ISK isnt Issue, but if you need more proof check any bloody T3 Kill there is always some "fancy" stuff on it, which rarely benefits the situation that the KIllmail provided...

Do people want to fly full blown SHINY? I dont think so. Well that 10b Dread and others want to, but they have been around in Wormholes for a long time. So what about the New Adventureres, who cannot afford to go full blown Faction on their ship.

This is where the "Gap" i ve rabbled about comes into play... T3 are effective YES.. but are they FUN ? Well if you look at HK you could say YES!!! YES PLEASE!!!.. But if you go to the low classes where CharlyTooClass just bought his first T2 and gets Ahnilated by 2 Sleipnirs .. I dont know. The Average Rolemodel of Wormholes seems a little bit to elitest for the Normalplayer enviroment. So whats the Solution... again we look at HK because apperently they got it all figured out this month. Fly more Nestors... not really.. just messing ...but the principle of NoFucksGiven should be a credo for every "Leader". DRAKES ARE SPACESHIPS TOO!

No but honestly, embrace the Kitchensink slaughter, learn how to refire a battlefield... keep feeding Cruisers and Battlecruisers make a Lootfield that looks so clusterfucked that even a Noctis goes Nope NOPE NOPE !!!

If i see HK 561b Destroyed by brother Ayeson and his Wormhole Crazy people .. it makes me sad, because I see Code. Alliance with a little bit more Isk destroyed but TWICE THE **** blown up and if I have learned one thing .. its Explosions are explosions are explosions....



So please .. keep up the explosions but make it more at the same "price"... little German Efficency within a Firework Tribute for Bob cant Hurt, as it stands he doesnt care for your ISK, he cares for your Pain.

I mean if you really break it down, with every blown up fancy t3 the only person that benefits from it is CCP, who apperently doesnt care about wormhole developement anyways. So you may want to feed them smaller bits.
[to be reaaaally polarizing :)}

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Minmatar Citizen 953102
Luv Gun
S K Y W I Z A R D S
#2 - 2014-07-01 13:43:29 UTC
Um....what?
And why wouldn't you fly a 10b dread?
HerrBert
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#3 - 2014-07-01 13:46:28 UTC  |  Edited by: HerrBert
Minmatar Citizen 953102 wrote:
Um....what?
And why wouldn't you fly a 10b dread?



Because my ships have the beautiful ability to explode :)
never claimed to be good at PvP .. i just like Explosions .... but between the dread and
https://eve-kill.net/?a=kill_related&kll_id=24201712 THIS .. i dont see much difference :)

And I may add I don't tell Big Corps what to do, I more concerned with C4 and below .. you guys got your **** sorted .. and most of The Class 2 Masterrace has alot of Bite and i love them for it, but its time to kill the old STEREOTYPES :P, because as far as I m concerned I know of alot of nice Kitchensink battles that get way less attention although they are waaaay more fun :)

But when i m in C2/C3/C4 Space Hunting and people pos up in their T3 fleet because they are scared I may Blobb.. I think ***** Upside Down....

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Mizhir
Devara Biotech
#4 - 2014-07-01 13:53:20 UTC
What I see from the first 2 links is that HK is only getting topped by CODE (yay for blingy highsec people), Goons (lol getting topped by highsec 'pubbies'), PL and Brave.

Impressive guys. Really great job.

β€οΈοΈπŸ’›πŸ’šπŸ’™πŸ’œ

HerrBert
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#5 - 2014-07-01 13:56:21 UTC  |  Edited by: HerrBert
Mizhir wrote:
What I see from the first 2 links is that HK is only getting topped by CODE (yay for blingy highsec people), Goons (lol getting topped by highsec 'pubbies'), PL and Brave.

Impressive guys. Really great job.



ITS AMAZING! I LOVE IT! .. It's just the feeding towards CCP and not getting any Attention that gets me. Because what HK shows is that Wormhole Space has been a force for a long time...and CCP keeps just "ignoring" and bugging it more and more....


Anyone wants an ESS on the Wormhole, or remember the UI Changes with Winferno, or lets talk about Wobbeling Wormholes?

Wormholespace is growing, exposure is getting better, more people are coming and still in terms of development it ranks behind freaking cosmos missions....

And if you look at general Wormhole PvP its a Rock. Paper. Shotgun. Mentality which rarely gives any sort of escalations...
when i was in School we played Rock. Paper. Shotgun. TnT. Police, Laser, Panzer, Mirror, Atombomb, JESUS!, Inifity...

This was one of my rather more fun engagements :) just sad that as "primary" counter after the first engagement the T3 Blobb scared the others :(

What I m saying is .. i rather fly my 10mn MWD LAAR Oneiros then any T3 :D (and i can welp 3 of those for a T3)

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Minmatar Citizen 953102
Luv Gun
S K Y W I Z A R D S
#6 - 2014-07-01 15:01:04 UTC
Im glad they have left whs alone for the most part
Aquila Sagitta
Blue-Fire
#7 - 2014-07-01 15:15:32 UTC
Holy **** that was hard to follow. Post starts out about wh's aren't ded and finishes with fly cheap things because reasons.

ffs lrn 2 communicate. Organize your ideas and put them in a logical order. Looks like your brain just vomited on the forums. I think you have something here I just have no idea what it is...
Meytal
Doomheim
#8 - 2014-07-01 15:25:10 UTC
HerrBert wrote:
ITS AMAZING! I LOVE IT! .. It's just the feeding towards CCP and not getting any Attention that gets me. Because what HK shows is that Wormhole Space has been a force for a long time...and CCP keeps just "ignoring" and bugging it more and more....

Now, my question and that of several others in W-space: how much of these kills are in W-space, and how much of them are kills in K-space by a group who lives in W-space and just uses wormholes as a highway system? We can argue back and forth what makes a "real" W-space entity, but the fact is that if the kills are happening in and around K-space, it won't bring any attention to W-space at all. It will just support the notion that Nullsec/Lowsec is better.

The above is one reason I really loved Gnaw's work with whkills.info, because we could see just how much ISK was destroyed IN wormhole space, and we could sort the numbers as we saw fit.

I believe a number of the HK kills this month were escalation fleet ganks (SSC and NOHO come to mind), so this month there were probably a lot of W-space kills. But when the "notable" W-space groups go farm kills in Null, it doesn't exactly help our cause.


And as stated, probably the best thing CCP ever did for W-space was to mostly ignore it.
Paikis
Vapour Holdings
#9 - 2014-07-01 16:09:13 UTC
What the **** did I just read?
Proclus Diadochu
Mar Sarrim
Red Coat Conspiracy
#10 - 2014-07-01 17:08:52 UTC
yes.


...wait no...


...wait maybe...


...?

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lanyaie
Nocturnal Romance
Cynosural Field Theory.
#11 - 2014-07-01 17:35:28 UTC
Wow....

Spaceprincess

People who put passwords on char bazaar Eveboards are the worst.

Lloyd Roses
Artificial Memories
#12 - 2014-07-01 18:44:40 UTC
HerrBert wrote:

*You should be ashamed of hiding in T3s, end up having no kills and instead go forth and pew in whatever ship you can board, never afraid of losing the ship*


Did I get that mostly right?

It sounds awesome in theory, but sadly our learning clone is also pvp-clone and everything clone in general - and there be bubbles. So people tend to ship up into either faster or sturdier ships, and both are a pita to fight.
Shilalasar
Dead Sky Inc.
#13 - 2014-07-01 19:56:37 UTC
Compared it with a jpg of killboardstuff of wormholers from 2012 and it looks like WH groups are smaller (yes, that was a real surprise), number of kills is about the same (HK ofc out of the picture) and value of the kills is through the roof. SInce T3s are about 60% of what they used to cost those days I assume itΒ΄s a lot more Swagnalfars and way less drakes.

Sadly this data provides nothing but epeen as long as it includes blowing up FW noobs, cynoships and Superwhoring in K-space.
Andrew Jester
Collapsed Out
Pandemic Legion
#14 - 2014-07-01 20:34:51 UTC
this is the level of posting I aspire to

If thuggin' was a category I'd win a Grammy

Jack Miton
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#15 - 2014-07-01 23:13:45 UTC  |  Edited by: Jack Miton
I see your break from the forums has not improved your coherency...

As for the dread? It's fkn scrub fit mate. btype amps and ctype invunls....
Only reason it's worth a lot are the officer CPRs which yes, are a total waste of isk on a dread.
Honestly if the ship was fit right without officer gear, it would probably cost just as much.
(7bil is about entry level for reasonably fit PVP dreads these days.)

Given ISK is almost entirely irrelevant to c5/6 corps, I don't see the issue.

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Remy Nolen
Sama Guild
#16 - 2014-07-01 23:41:19 UTC
The amount of bitching/whining from C5/C6 players is unreal. The sense of entitlement from the complaints reeks of spoiled toddlers throwing tantrums. Not enough ez-mode kills, not enough "gud" fights, carebears this/that; PLEASE CCP, MAKE IT EASIER FOR US TO GANK/BLOB.

I sincerely hope CCP Greyscale, Karkur & co nerf you ******* into the ground. E-war immune cap escalation battleships would be a great start. Removing melted nanoribbon chance from escalations & the ability to run them 3 DT's in a row.
Hatshepsut IV
Un.Reasonable
#17 - 2014-07-01 23:43:10 UTC
Remy Nolen wrote:
The amount of bitching/whining from C5/C6 players is unreal. The sense of entitlement from the complaints reeks of spoiled toddlers throwing tantrums. Not enough ez-mode kills, not enough "gud" fights, carebears this/that; PLEASE CCP, MAKE IT EASIER FOR US TO GANK/BLOB.

I sincerely hope CCP Greyscale, Karkur & co nerf you ******* into the ground. E-war immune cap escalation battleships would be a great start. Removing melted nanoribbon chance from escalations & the ability to run them 3 DT's in a row.


Bittermuch?

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Paikis
Vapour Holdings
#18 - 2014-07-02 00:01:08 UTC
Remy Nolen wrote:
The amount of bitching/whining from C5/C6 players is unreal. The sense of entitlement from the complaints reeks of spoiled toddlers throwing tantrums. Not enough ez-mode kills, not enough "gud" fights, carebears this/that; PLEASE CCP, MAKE IT EASIER FOR US TO GANK/BLOB.

I sincerely hope CCP Greyscale, Karkur & co nerf you ******* into the ground. E-war immune cap escalation battleships would be a great start. Removing melted nanoribbon chance from escalations & the ability to run them 3 DT's in a row.


I would ask if you're mad, but I think we all know the question is irrelevant.
Winthorp
#19 - 2014-07-02 00:53:16 UTC
I wish i was young again and could handle the amount of drugs Herbert takes.

<3
Bleedingthrough
#20 - 2014-07-02 01:48:49 UTC
Do you make these spreadsheets on a monthly basis?

Would be very interested in this kind of data!

HerrBert = best Bert.
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