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Proof that isboxer breaks the eula

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Ruskarn Andedare
Lion Investments
#41 - 2014-07-01 13:52:58 UTC
Nidal Fervor wrote:
Gully Alex Foyle wrote:
Nidal Fervor wrote:
Not true at all. If too many players quit the game will close down, and what CCP say won't matter at all.
Are you planning to quit?


Does it not occur to you? Normal people, who actually care about the experience, who never come to the forum at all, will have this 40 times unimatrix isboxer alts appear and wipe out their belt. Do you think this is a good experience of the game for them?


FFS. It's 40 characters doing their thing together. What would the difference be if it was 40 separate players in a well-organized fleet?

Normal people are not shocked when this happens.
Rhivre
TarNec
Invisible Exchequer
#42 - 2014-07-01 13:53:06 UTC
Sigh....no one of his characters is generating isk faster than you or I can single clienting.

Whether running 40 clients mining is fun is another matter, but, each to their own :)

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Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#43 - 2014-07-01 13:53:18 UTC
Nidal Fervor wrote:
If there's so many threads complaining about it, obviously it is a problem.

Does not follow.
If there's so many threads complaining about it, people are obviously not familiar with the rules or competent enough to use the search feature to find out that they have no grounds for complaints.
Dinsdale Pirannha
Pirannha Corp
#44 - 2014-07-01 13:53:31 UTC
CCP cannot afford to shut down ISBoxer's.
They would lose too much revenue.
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#45 - 2014-07-01 13:54:14 UTC
Dinsdale Pirannha wrote:
CCP cannot afford to shut down ISBoxer's.
They would lose too much revenue.

So how do you explain the many accounts they shut down for breaking the EULA?
Rhivre
TarNec
Invisible Exchequer
#46 - 2014-07-01 13:54:19 UTC
Ruskarn Andedare wrote:


FFS. It's 40 characters doing their thing together. What would the difference be if it was 40 separate players in a well-organized fleet?

Normal people are not shocked when this happens.


You mean sometimes people do activities together in Eve Shocked What madness is this? Roll

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Jenn aSide
Soul Machines
The Initiative.
#47 - 2014-07-01 13:54:48 UTC
Nidal Fervor wrote:
(3) You may not use macros or other stored rapid keystrokes or other patterns of play that facilitate acquisition of items, currency, objects, character attributes, rank or status at an accelerated rate when compared with ordinary Game play

See screenshot http://i.imgur.com/OiDpfVR.jpg

40 skiffs mining in an ice field in hi-sec, the belt lasts no more than 30 minutes if he is there. During this time I estimate he must get 40 ice per skiff, 40 skiffs. That's 1600 blocks of ice, at 320k per block that is 500 million isk that he earns from 30 minutes of play, in hi-sec.

Not only does he earn isk far faster than would be possible for him if he wasn't using a 3rd party program to send keystrokes to the clients, but he ruins the game for normal players. I would rather mine with a few bots in the belt than this guy, they are far less detrimental to my experience.


As an Explorer, people with guns are detrimental to my experience, therefor CCP should institute Gun Control measures in EVE Online. Namely a 5 day waiting period and background check on mounting any guns on ships , said background check being a questionnaire asking these questions:

"Do you plan on ganking with these weapons? if yes wait 5 days and also send a "notice of hostility" to your gank target so they know to expect you."

"Do you plan on shooting at Goons with these weapons? if yes have gun right freaking now plus free ammo".

(This is what happens when you let high sec bureaucrats give psych tests btw).

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Christina Project
Screaming Head in a Box.
#48 - 2014-07-01 13:54:56 UTC
I think that the fact that people always pointlessly argue with the stubborn and ignorant,
because laws protect these people, is actually really bad for society as a whole.

Instead of forcing them into proper education and self awareness,
how to observe and analyze reality without their stupid ego issues ...

... we have to deal with the fact that there are more and more of them ...
... with each coming generation.


Isn't it sad? It's all the OPs fault.

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Caviar Liberta
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#49 - 2014-07-01 13:55:47 UTC  |  Edited by: Caviar Liberta
Nidal Fervor wrote:
De'Veldrin wrote:
Nidal Fervor wrote:
Lady Areola Fappington wrote:
That's nice. Now prove how any one of his individual characters is breaking the quoted section.

That's how CCP looks at that clause, it applies per character, and not per person behind keyboard.


Rubbish, the eula applies to the player.


Players do not accumulate in game items - characters do.


What a stupid argument. Characters are owned by players, therefore players accumulate wealth.


This isn't any different than 40 individuals logging into separate accounts. This isn't automation as keyboard input is still required by a warm body.

EDIT- and did we really need another thread on this?
Remiel Pollard
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#50 - 2014-07-01 13:56:15 UTC
Nidal Fervor wrote:
Remiel Pollard wrote:
Nidal Fervor wrote:
Remiel Pollard wrote:

No, you can't say the same about bots, because bots DO use client modification.


Sending a keystroke automatically is client modification? No, yet it is botting and is bannable.


CCP says it's not botting, numerous people with experience in scripting say it's not botting, and we've had this discussion a thousand times on these forums already. IF you think something is bannable, then file a petition. Why you people feel the need to fire up fresh threads of butthurt about isboxer every five minutes is beyond any sense of reasonable understanding.


If there's so many threads complaining about it, obviously it is a problem.


There are a lot of people whining all over the internet that vaccines cause autism. Just because people whine about it doesn't make it a problem and it doesn't mean they're right about what they're whining about. It just means they're whiny.

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Jonah Gravenstein
Machiavellian Space Bastards
#51 - 2014-07-01 13:56:51 UTC
Remiel Pollard wrote:
CCP says it's not botting, numerous people with experience in scripting say it's not botting, and we've had this discussion a thousand times on these forums already. IF you think something is bannable, then file a petition. Why you people feel the need to fire up fresh threads of butthurt about isboxer every five minutes is beyond any sense of reasonable understanding.


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Feyd's Survival Pack
Rowells
Blackwater USA Inc.
Pandemic Horde
#52 - 2014-07-01 13:57:34 UTC
maybe if we post JUST ONE MORE THREAD about this I'm sure we'll make some progress in this argument.
Rhivre
TarNec
Invisible Exchequer
#53 - 2014-07-01 13:58:16 UTC
Remiel Pollard wrote:


There are a lot of people whining all over the internet that vaccines cause autism. Just because people whine about it doesn't make it a problem and it doesn't mean they're right about what they're whining about. It just means they're whiny.


I found out today that lots of people think that spraying vinegar into the air gets rid of chemtrails.

Maybe this works with goons/ [Insert your favourite space entity here] too Twisted

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Gully Alex Foyle
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#54 - 2014-07-01 13:59:26 UTC
Nidal Fervor wrote:
Gully Alex Foyle wrote:
Nidal Fervor wrote:
Not true at all. If too many players quit the game will close down, and what CCP say won't matter at all.
Are you planning to quit?


Does it not occur to you? Normal people, who actually care about the experience, who never come to the forum at all, will have this 40 times unimatrix isboxer alts appear and wipe out their belt. Do you think this is a good experience of the game for them?
Well, problem is, if ISBoxer can mine just like a player, it means mining requires very little skill.

I personally wouldn't play a game that required so little skill.

If I needed ice for some reason, I'd buy it from the ISBoxer, since he'd be more efficient than me.

If I were hell bent on being a profitable ice miner, I'd use ISBoxer myself.


To someone that for some unfathomable reason liked mining in itself, I'd suggest to just go mine someplace else.

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De'Veldrin
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#55 - 2014-07-01 14:00:19 UTC
Remiel Pollard wrote:
Nidal Fervor wrote:
Gully Alex Foyle wrote:
Nidal Fervor wrote:
Not true at all. If too many players quit the game will close down, and what CCP say won't matter at all.
Are you planning to quit?


Does it not occur to you? Normal people, who actually care about the experience, who never come to the forum at all, will have this 40 times unimatrix isboxer alts appear and wipe out their belt. Do you think this is a good experience of the game for them?


How to find other belts. Also, it's not your belt. Nothing is yours unless you can get it first, and keep it from getting blown up. They don't write our names on the sides of asteroids you know.


Well, you know, that's not entirely true. Everything labeled Veldspar is earmarked for one specific dude.

De'Veldrin's Corollary (to Malcanis' Law): Any idea that seeks to limit the ability of a large nullsec bloc to do something in the name of allowing more small groups into sov null will inevitably make it that much harder for small groups to enter sov null.
Nidal Fervor
Doomheim
#56 - 2014-07-01 14:00:58 UTC
Jenn aSide wrote:
Nidal Fervor wrote:
(3) You may not use macros or other stored rapid keystrokes or other patterns of play that facilitate acquisition of items, currency, objects, character attributes, rank or status at an accelerated rate when compared with ordinary Game play

See screenshot http://i.imgur.com/OiDpfVR.jpg

40 skiffs mining in an ice field in hi-sec, the belt lasts no more than 30 minutes if he is there. During this time I estimate he must get 40 ice per skiff, 40 skiffs. That's 1600 blocks of ice, at 320k per block that is 500 million isk that he earns from 30 minutes of play, in hi-sec.

Not only does he earn isk far faster than would be possible for him if he wasn't using a 3rd party program to send keystrokes to the clients, but he ruins the game for normal players. I would rather mine with a few bots in the belt than this guy, they are far less detrimental to my experience.


As an Explorer, people with guns are detrimental to my experience, therefor CCP should institute Gun Control measures in EVE Online. Namely a 5 day waiting period and background check on mounting any guns on ships , said background check being a questionnaire asking these questions:

"Do you plan on ganking with these weapons? if yes wait 5 days and also send a "notice of hostility" to your gank target so they know to expect you."

"Do you plan on shooting at Goons with these weapons? if yes have gun right freaking now plus free ammo".

(This is what happens when you let high sec bureaucrats give psych tests btw).

Big smile


That's your problem, most people with guns are playing the game they way it was designed to play, without 3rd party software.

In this case, a 3rd party program is being used to play the game in an extreme manner.
De'Veldrin
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#57 - 2014-07-01 14:01:07 UTC
Nidal Fervor wrote:
Remiel Pollard wrote:
Nidal Fervor wrote:
Remiel Pollard wrote:

No, you can't say the same about bots, because bots DO use client modification.


Sending a keystroke automatically is client modification? No, yet it is botting and is bannable.


CCP says it's not botting, numerous people with experience in scripting say it's not botting, and we've had this discussion a thousand times on these forums already. IF you think something is bannable, then file a petition. Why you people feel the need to fire up fresh threads of butthurt about isboxer every five minutes is beyond any sense of reasonable understanding.


If there's so many threads complaining about it, obviously it is a problem.


Correllation does not imply causation.

De'Veldrin's Corollary (to Malcanis' Law): Any idea that seeks to limit the ability of a large nullsec bloc to do something in the name of allowing more small groups into sov null will inevitably make it that much harder for small groups to enter sov null.
Ka'Narlist
Dreddit
Test Alliance Please Ignore
#58 - 2014-07-01 14:02:38 UTC
Nidal Fervor wrote:
Schmata Bastanold wrote:
Nidal Fervor wrote:
I could say the same about bots. Do bots get an accelerated yield that they can more than a normal player?


Only thing that matters is what CCP says. Sooner you understand it happier you will be.


Not true at all. If too many players quit the game will close down, and what CCP say won't matter at all.

Can I have your stuff?
Remiel Pollard
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#59 - 2014-07-01 14:03:07 UTC
Rhivre wrote:
Remiel Pollard wrote:


There are a lot of people whining all over the internet that vaccines cause autism. Just because people whine about it doesn't make it a problem and it doesn't mean they're right about what they're whining about. It just means they're whiny.


I found out today that lots of people think that spraying vinegar into the air gets rid of chemtrails.

Maybe this works with goons/ [Insert your favourite space entity here] too Twisted


I actually had a neighbour do that once, right next to a rosegarden that my housemate was growing. I was watering at the time with the garden hose. I like watering with the garden hose, it's relaxing. I don't like gardening though, just the watering part. Anyway, his grass was all dead. I told him to take a look at it, and tell me what he thought was causing his grass to die. He said outright it's the chemtrails. I said, well, they're not killing our roses, which is odd cuz they're right next to your grass. Speaking of which, you spray that **** near our roses again, and I'll have you charged with property destruction.

So he sprayed it straight at my roses in a display of defiance the kind you would expect from the whole "everything is a conspiracy!" group. Another reason why I enjoy the garden hose is because I can use it to spray obnoxious neighbours, which I did, gave him a full blast and told him to "chill, dude, let the fluoride flow through you" Twisted

He then called the cops and charged me with assault...... the charges were dropped when I told them about his vinegar habit.

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Concord Guy's Cousin
Doomheim
#60 - 2014-07-01 14:03:47 UTC
Nidal Fervor wrote:
If there's so many threads complaining about it, obviously it is a problem.
Nope, it just goes to prove that some people will whine about anything, even dead horses.

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