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how many of you lost Expensive ship in mission?? (Tengu, Loki, Prot, Legion, etc)
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Deda Tawate
Upstairs Corporation
Caladrius Alliance
#1 - 2011-12-06 05:33:49 UTC
Hi, so since I'm an alt, I got a question for your all. How many of u lost a very expensive ship in missions by doing stupid things, or got web and scamb, or stuff like that??

BTW: I lost 2 tengu in a month cuz of scrumb lol, raging.
Goose99
#2 - 2011-12-06 05:53:53 UTC
From dec 2007 to today, 6.3 mil players popped in highsec to mission rats, this compared to 7 mil players popped to blobs in null. That figure includes the 3.4 mil pods popped, which, btw, it's safe to assume, is from pvp (pod in a bubble, lulz), since rats don't pop pods.

People lose boats in pve to mission rats all the time, some of them very expensive too, worth hundreds or even thousands of pvp boats each. Most people get the idea that pvp is what drives the Eve economy, when in fact it's pve. Pvp is barely a blimp on the radar as far as the economy goes.
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#3 - 2011-12-06 06:12:48 UTC  |  Edited by: Tippia
Goose99 wrote:
From dec 2007 to today, 6.3 mil players popped in highsec to mission rats
Not quite.
6.3 mil ships popped in highsec to NPC entities, including CONCORD, sentry guns, undirected POS turrets, faction navies, and other non-PvE acts. Also, a third of those deaths are from newbie missions and lvl1s, leading to minuscule losses on the scale of things.

So no, PvE does not drive the EVE economy aside from providing a bit of lubrication. PvP is indeed a huge blimp on the radar, compared to the tiny blip of PvE.
Mina Sebiestar
Minmatar Inner Space Conglomerate
#4 - 2011-12-06 07:00:56 UTC
At least two lokis,legion,fleet tempest in mission,fleet tempest in live event,mach,fleet Armageddon are most notable.

I tend to test things example loki with dcu II and med booster for tank(not even shield sub) hit angel extra bonus room and things go wrong from time to time :)

Oh i lost regular pest when inc first come out.

You choke behind a smile a fake behind the fear

Because >>I is too hard
Goose99
#5 - 2011-12-06 07:10:10 UTC  |  Edited by: Goose99
Tippia wrote:
Goose99 wrote:
From dec 2007 to today, 6.3 mil players popped in highsec to mission rats
Not quite.
6.3 mil ships popped in highsec to NPC entities, including CONCORD, sentry guns, undirected POS turrets, faction navies, and other non-PvE acts. Also, a third of those deaths are from newbie missions and lvl1s, leading to minuscule losses on the scale of things.

So no, PvE does not drive the EVE economy aside from providing a bit of lubrication. PvP is indeed a huge blimp on the radar, compared to the tiny blip of PvE.


Of the large BS sized hulls that's significant mineral sinks, 162k out of 170k Raven kills, and 100k out of 126k domi kills are from pve. The suicide gank boats, such arty Apocs and Brutix, didn't even make the pve kill list, nor did blob favorite BSes make the total/pvp list. None of boats that did are usable for ganking. Concord kills likely isn't as big a factor on total pve kills as you made it sound.

Btw, where did you get the info a 3rd are from lvl1s? The only clear thing is that 3.5 mil of pod kills are in that pvp category, which is already dominated by cheap bcs and frigs.
St Mio
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#6 - 2011-12-06 07:17:46 UTC
I remember losing a Kestrel in a L1 when I was a newb... ISK wise it wasn't expensive but it had more sentimental value than all my other mission ships put together...
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#7 - 2011-12-06 07:33:00 UTC
Goose99 wrote:
Of the large BS sized hulls that's significant mineral sinks, 162k out of 170k Raven kills, and 100k out of 126k domi kills are from pve.
So that's 4% of the kills accounted for… not a huge economic driver. Blink
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Concord kills likely isn't as big a factor on total pve kills as you made it sound.
That shouldn't be too hard since I didn't make it sound like anything — I merely qualified what goes into the NPC-killed heading, and it's not all PvE.
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Btw, where did you get the info a 3rd are from lvl1s?
Combine the numbers on the newbie-ship and frigate deaths (and top it off with a few destroyer deaths as well), none of which are gank material… bam! 2M+ deaths, closing in on 3M.
Pookoko
Sigma Sagittarii Inc.
#8 - 2011-12-06 08:07:49 UTC
I lost a mach once while alt-tab missioning at work. \o/
Majora Veneris
Doomheim
#9 - 2011-12-06 09:05:02 UTC
2 Legions, 1 Tengu, CNR, a Rattler, and a couple of gila's myself. Oddly enough laughed at all of em but one of the legions. (my first T3)

[b]A Good Forum Post Is Like A Skirt.... Long Enough To Cover The Subject Matter, But Short Enough To Keep Things Interesting.[/b]
Anya Ohaya
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#10 - 2011-12-06 10:10:40 UTC
Lost a Gila once. Wasn't paying attention, sentries popped a couple of triggers in a row, got scrammed and so badly damped I had trouble locking the scramming frigs.

Nearly lost an Ishtar in worlds collide - got full room aggro in the last pocket. The trouble with cruiser hulls is they don't last long if you get in trouble. Battleships can hull tank for long enough to kill the frigs and GTFO.
King Rothgar
Deadly Solutions
#11 - 2011-12-06 10:47:53 UTC
I lost a revelation once in a lvl5 (years ago). The mission was the 3rd part of the big sting series, had 2 npc carriers so I decided to be a smartass and just drop a dread in there. Sadly I underestimated the dps of 60+ npc fighters.Lol Went back with a smartbombing carrier to kill it all and scoop my own loot but that had to be the saddest way to lose a dread.

[u]Fireworks and snowballs are great, but what I really want is a corpse launcher.[/u]
george harries
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#12 - 2011-12-06 10:49:35 UTC
Was very drunk and decided to do a mission - fell asleep and next morning restarted eve;

Golem lost - 2x CN invul, CN BCU's pithi med booster - at the time must have been about 2.5bn + and clearly the wreck had gone- and I'm NOT a rich player - so grinded again (luckily the corp I was with built Golems so I just supplied the mats) and then about 2 months later did the same and lost another Golem - though not similar mods. Not a happy bunny.

Moral of the story - I don't drink anymore Big smile !!
Elistea
BLUE Regiment.
#13 - 2011-12-06 11:14:46 UTC
3,5 bil Paladin in HS long time ago. My aggro set drones agressed ninja looter and i was stupid enough to stay in site. Guess what happened next.
Pappy McGee
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#14 - 2011-12-06 11:25:45 UTC
I let Captain Morgan take my legion for a spin one night; he and I were both pretty sure we could tank the scramming/webbing frigs along with the rest of the room. He and I were both pretty wrong. It was all kinds of faction and deadspace fit, too.
Cipher Jones
The Thomas Edwards Taco Tuesday All Stars
#15 - 2011-12-06 15:44:38 UTC
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(and top it off with a few destroyer deaths as well), none of which are gank material… bam! 2M+ deaths, closing in on 3M.


Proof that all theory class and no lab class makes for poor engineers.

internet spaceships

are serious business sir.

and don't forget it
Goose99
#16 - 2011-12-06 16:00:31 UTC  |  Edited by: Goose99
Tippia wrote:
Goose99 wrote:
Of the large BS sized hulls that's significant mineral sinks, 162k out of 170k Raven kills, and 100k out of 126k domi kills are from pve.
So that's 4% of the kills accounted for… not a huge economic driver. Blink
Quote:
Concord kills likely isn't as big a factor on total pve kills as you made it sound.
That shouldn't be too hard since I didn't make it sound like anything — I merely qualified what goes into the NPC-killed heading, and it's not all PvE.
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Btw, where did you get the info a 3rd are from lvl1s?
Combine the numbers on the newbie-ship and frigate deaths (and top it off with a few destroyer deaths as well), none of which are gank material… bam! 2M+ deaths, closing in on 3M.


4%, if BS hull is equal to pods and rookie ships.

Speaking of rookie ships, if you compare final blow stats by ship type posted in devblog on 12/2 (with rookie ship kills) and those posted in forum on 12/4 (without rookie kills), it would appear rookie ship kills are just about entirely accounted within the difference, in the pvp kill category, mostly through cane, vega, and interceptor.
http://www.eveonline.com/devblog.asp?a=blog&nbid=3235
https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=464085#post464085
It makes sense, as I doubt many ppl run missions in rookie ships. But lots of people fly it on their disposable alts.
Flurk Hellbron
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#17 - 2011-12-06 17:37:44 UTC
Loosing very expensive DRAKES all the time........................Big smile
A'Brantox Foson
A'Brantox Foson Corporation
#18 - 2011-12-06 17:42:18 UTC
I lost a tengu, dual gisti b-type fit.

To what one might ask?

Super powered summer time jamming strength of guristas.

This made me rage quit pve. I had also lost a 3bil tengu + 1.5bil implant clone whilst alt tabbed out scanning down some dude in a claymore. The account is now unsubbed. lol

Having now joined gallente militia, I have realized... this will never end, what with caldari rats being shitfaces. So i'm hanging up anything pve related, casting it aside, in favour of actually playing the game, instead of buffing my wallet. :)
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#19 - 2011-12-06 18:05:26 UTC
Goose99 wrote:
4%, if BS hull is equal to pods and rookie ships.
…which it is, since we're counting # ships killed.
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It makes sense, as I doubt many ppl run missions in rookie ships. But lots of people fly it on their disposable alts.
Well… all the rookies do, obviously, and given their awesome stopping power, I think it's safe to assume that anyone killed by an NPC will be victim to a mission (or belt) rat — you're not exactly going to gank anyone in one. That said, I guess they might see occasional use as CONCORD-herders for various GCC manipulation tactics.
Goose99
#20 - 2011-12-06 18:22:25 UTC
Tippia wrote:
Goose99 wrote:
4%, if BS hull is equal to pods and rookie ships.
…which it is, since we're counting # ships killed.
Quote:
It makes sense, as I doubt many ppl run missions in rookie ships. But lots of people fly it on their disposable alts.
Well… all the rookies do, obviously, and given their awesome stopping power, I think it's safe to assume that anyone killed by an NPC will be victim to a mission (or belt) rat — you're not exactly going to gank anyone in one. That said, I guess they might see occasional use as CONCORD-herders for various GCC manipulation tactics.


Those rookie kills are from pvp kills of scout alts, not because ppl run missions in rookie ships. CCP did not post clarification on how many rookie ships are pvp and pve kills, but you can figure that out indirectly. I quoted CCP pvp kill stats with and without rookie kills, posted 2 days apart. But you conveniently edited that out of the quote. Roll

Rookie kills are inflating pvp kill count, even if you don't admit it. That aside, it's safe to at least assume the 3.5 mil pod kills are by players, ballooning the pvp kill category.
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