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I want to try some solo PvP
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KarmaFleet
Goonswarm Federation
#41 - 2011-12-01 20:19:43 UTC
Solo can be maddening at times (lack of targets), infuriating (not gangs, but FLEETS chasing you...and hotdrops), and exciting about 5% of the time. Most fun I've had in the past year was running my 1.5b mach thru sansha nullsec (excepting stain). The big thing with solo is finding a ship fast enough to run away from anything it can't easily destroy.

With the mach, sure, it only moves ab about 1400m/s, but no battleship can hold it, with heavy neut + faction web you can make frigates of any type irrelevant, and nothing other than a rapier/huggin/loki is a real threat to keeping you in place long enough to get ganked.

On the low end though, don't use frigates, really, they just have too small an engagement window. Get a thorax/omen/rupture and go out with those. Granted, thorax is an all-in sihp (GL running away if the engagement goes sour), but they all have a good chance of killing stuff, up to BC size (or even a poorly fit BS).

Also, RIP nanocurse :(
Turmeric Jones
Doomheim
#42 - 2011-12-02 07:53:02 UTC  |  Edited by: Turmeric Jones
RvB is really the place to be.

I see just as many meta0 frigs as I do inties/faction frigs and they die at almost the same rate. Often hilariously. But that is because most of RvB is often drunk(another plus).

edit to add: RvB members are really good about honoring 1v1s and they happen pretty much whenever you ask in local/public channels
Lady Spank
Get Out Nasty Face
#43 - 2011-12-02 12:07:23 UTC
I wouldnt normally recommend RvB since I prefer to advise people to go it alone but if you truly lack the time to roam and hunt in a 'traditional' way then RvB provides pew pew albeit without the excitement of hunting down your targets. It's good for quick sessions.

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Killstealing
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#44 - 2011-12-03 01:52:33 UTC
go to null, set up a drag bubble in some pipe system, watch nerds get mad
Pinaculus
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#45 - 2011-12-03 15:57:13 UTC
Killstealing wrote:
go to null, set up a drag bubble in some pipe system, watch nerds get mad


I LOLed

I know sometimes it's difficult to realize just how much you spend on incidental things each month or year, but seriously, EVE is very cheap entertainment compared to most things... If you are a smoker, smoke one less pack a week and pay for EVE, with money left over to pick up a cheap bundle of flowers for the EVE widow upstairs.
Killstealing
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#46 - 2011-12-03 16:26:27 UTC
Pinaculus wrote:
Killstealing wrote:
go to null, set up a drag bubble in some pipe system, watch nerds get mad


I LOLed

it's true, that feel when you are zooming past a stargate is pretty infuriating
ZANE VOIDSTALKER
Space Wizards.
Tactical Narcotics Team
#47 - 2011-12-06 13:05:21 UTC
Tamiya Sarossa wrote:
If you know nothing about PvP, start with frigs. Buy a stack of 20 with fittings, go out, lose them all gloriously. Don't expect to kill much, but try not to die needlessly, and the lessons you'll learn along the way about dscanning/what is bait/piloting/how not to freak out in fights will form the essential foundation of a good PvP career. This is common advice because it is SO DAMN GOOD.

You can ask an experienced player for tips, but second-hand knowledge is no replacement for having learned all this yourself. Only move on to larger ships when you can competently jump into a system, evade people you don't want to fight, d-scan to find people you do, and tackle them - all quickly and efficiently.

Best of all, all of these skills will later be applicable to any other kind of PvP you want to do, whether highsec wardecs or fleet combat.



someone gave me this advise when i started the game. DONT LISTEN TO THIS CRAP, to learn pvp find a group of good pvpers that do small gang warfare, they understand the mechanics of the systems and can teach you how to buy 1 rifter and kill 20 ships not lose a hundred and never learn anything.
Cearain
Plus 10 NV
#48 - 2011-12-06 15:02:05 UTC
RvB is a great way to get lots of pvp in a short time.

I would strongly recomend this if you are new to solo.

The other thing I would strongly recomend is looking at the dps *graphs* in eft. You need to know how much damage you are doing at what ranges/transversals and how much the other guy is doing at what ranges/transversals. Then you need to figure how you will get at the right ranges/transversals.

Finally look at genos' (or other corps with lots of solo pvpers) killboard. Put the fits of the solo fighters in eft. Try to figure out what ranges or tactics they are likely going for.

Make faction war occupancy pvp instead of pve https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=53815&#post53815
Lady Spank
Get Out Nasty Face
#49 - 2011-12-06 17:46:20 UTC
ZANE VOIDSTALKER wrote:
someone gave me this advise when i started the game. DONT LISTEN TO THIS CRAP, to learn pvp find a group of good pvpers that do small gang warfare, they understand the mechanics of the systems and can teach you how to buy 1 rifter and kill 20 ships not lose a hundred and never learn anything.

LOL, this guy.

Don't take advice from someone that just ganks miners and noobs in high sec.

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Alaric Faelen
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#50 - 2011-12-07 03:08:23 UTC
There is just no such thing as cheap or casual PvP in Eve. It's the nature of unrestricted PvP where there is no distinction between solo noob with 5mil SP and a blob of 100mil SP pirates in T2 fits.

The truth is that even a 'throwaway' ship which may last under a minute in combat, is going to cost that mission running care bear (uh, me) a dozen hour long or more missions, maybe a starfish puckering run to low sec in a hauler to collect PI-- for what will likely end in a fireball. Probably lost to someone that simply puts 10 hours a day into Eve, with a platoon of alts across several accts (really? come on people, say it with me....GAME)

You really want to get newbies and care bears into PvP, early on in Eve to get them hooked???

Give them a place to run mission loot fitted T1 garbage with a remote chance of survival. Try that 'Lose 20 ships" in anything less than a godawful expensive T2 fit, and you will be in your pod before you learn anything at all. I tried with 5 frigates in under an hour- all I learned was that (just like in RL) war is largely won by outspending your enemy, long before you ever take to the field.

All I could think was-- I'm going to have to do HOW MUCH boring PvE crap to PvP in any meaningful way?!

Oh, forget "Never fly what you can't afford to lose"

They have a name for that already-- it's called Care Bearing. Anything you can afford to lose isn't going to last ten seconds in a fight.
Xcen
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#51 - 2011-12-07 06:09:53 UTC

I pvp solo whenever I’m looking for a good fight. I really recommend fitting a cruiser specifically to take out frigates/intys/assault ships. Overheating helps tremendously and knowing that you can only take on small targets really simplifies what to try and engage.
Here is the ship fitting I run that can solo small frig gangs that I’ve found.
This is a pretty unused cruiser so it’s cheap/everyone thinks you’re an easy target.
[Bellicose, Anti-Frig Armor]

Small Energy Neutralizer II
Small Energy Neutralizer II
200mm AutoCannon II, Republic Fleet EMP S
200mm AutoCannon II, Republic Fleet EMP S
200mm AutoCannon II, Republic Fleet EMP S

Stasis Webifier II
Stasis Webifier II
Warp Scrambler II
Y-T8 Overcharged Hydrocarbon Microwarpdrive

Damage Control II
Gyrostabilizer II
1600mm Reinforced Rolled Tungsten Plates I

Medium Trimark Armor Pump I
Medium Trimark Armor Pump I
Medium Trimark Armor Pump I

Warrior II x8

Here was a really good day in tama…
http://eve.battleclinic.com/killboard/killmail.php?id=14539417 http://eve.battleclinic.com/killboard/killmail.php?id=14539307
http://eve.battleclinic.com/killboard/killmail.php?id=14539418
In 0.0
http://eve.battleclinic.com/killboard/killmail.php?id=14728520

I see a solo pvpesr getting an advantage by focusing on what their ship counters.
Onictus
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#52 - 2011-12-07 10:43:02 UTC
Alaric Faelen wrote:


They have a name for that already-- it's called Care Bearing. Anything you can afford to lose isn't going to last ten seconds in a fight.



A full T2 fit rifter costs about one bounty tick in a level 4 mission.....godawful it is.
Lady Spank
Get Out Nasty Face
#53 - 2011-12-08 11:06:01 UTC
People with no clue that feel the need to pimp their fits are a GOOD thing for PVP

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St Mio
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#54 - 2011-12-08 12:26:08 UTC
Alaric Faelen wrote:
(...) The truth is that even a 'throwaway' ship which may last under a minute in combat, is going to cost that mission running care bear (uh, me) a dozen hour long or more missions (...)

Twelve hours of mission running to afford a PvP ship? Oh dear...
Laktos
Perkone
Caldari State
#55 - 2011-12-08 13:46:03 UTC
You're already on the right track. Asking questions is one of the most important ways to learn the art of solo. Extensive reading also helps. As someone else said in this thread, get to know all the most common ships, study the common fits and tactics pilots will use in those ships so that you can react and stay out of that hurricanes medium neut range rather than only find out he has neuts once he's on top of you etc. Top rated fits on battleclinic and the ship fittings section of the failheap challenge website are good places to study the different ways in which ships are usually fit.

But of course the most important way is to just get out there and do it. Stick to tech 1 insurable ships until you are more experienced (read: a vagabond is not an "i-win" button). But what sort of tech 1 ship you fly is completely up to you. Frigates, cruisers, bc's, bs's. Any of them are fine, just choose the one that most interests you and is in your price range. When I say in your price range I mean that you should be able to buy at least a handful of them at once and it shouldn't take you too long to make back that isk. Solo pvp is very expensive, you will lose LOTS of ships, sometimes with very little kills to show for it and you have to expect to lose hulls over and over again.

Ignore all the nay-sayers. People who try to tell you frigates suck, dont learn in them are wrong. And they're just as wrong as someeone who says you MUST learn in frigates. That said, the bigger the ship the more costly the loss and the harder it is to avoid gatecamps, so frigates definitely have their advantages if that is what interests you.

Lastly, have fun and learn from your mistakes. Try not to get disheartened about losing lots of ships and after every loss question what happened during the fight, what you did wrong and what you could've done differently or better to improve the outcome. And then try to apply what you have learnt to your next fight.

Good luck.

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Turkatron
#56 - 2011-12-08 21:45:59 UTC
Lady Spank wrote:
Solo bombers ARE possible but it's a pretty niche role with high risk. I saw an interesting video of someone soloing ratting battleships out in null sec in an ab mse fit with high damage. Most ships that you can hit can still also hit you from within point range but I will be honest and say this isn't a avenue I have explored personally. I've been out on a few roams in a solo bomber but haven't found anything I thought I could engage yet (seriously a couple of sub 2 hour roams only).

You can indeed rat in an ab/mse fit bomber, I have done it to grind sec. You can also kill stuff with it, but it's not too viable. Don't train a bomber for the sake of solo pvp. You can kill stuff with it provided the opportunity: http://eve-kill.net/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=9796032 , http://eve-kill.net/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=7657362 but you will probable need help from NPCs (drake was afk).

Lady Spank has the right idea and is giving you good advice. If you can, fraps your fights so you can watch them later. That's a good way to learn from your mistakes. My only other comment is that RvB is a good alternative only IF sec status is an issue for you. That said, if you do join RvB, don't join the gangs... fly solo. The FCs I have seen in action in RvB are generally terrible compared to many of the small gang FCs I have flown with. Also, RvB gangs are blobby and do a lot of station games. If you fly solo, this gives you a chance to learn how to bait off station or gate to isolate your targets. Just be aware that most of the members have lots of tactical bookmarks around the stations.
Lady Spank
Get Out Nasty Face
#57 - 2011-12-09 11:13:34 UTC
I was talking about killing ratters, not NPCs.

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Singoth
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#58 - 2011-12-09 11:27:48 UTC
Wow, thread's popular xD
Thanks for the replies everyone Smile

I am going to join RvB, if possible... just to get the hang of some basic PvP techniques and get some action, which I think is more important than learning how to hunt targets atm.

Been flying around in lowsec for a while now, but haven't really found anyone I felt I could engage in a fair fight. I did attack some cruiser, but I didn't even get past it's shield and I felt like a mosquito trying to hurt an elephant... then he started to damage me and I just burned out of range and warped away. Was not an enemy I could take.
I also tried some canflipping, but it didn't work.

I did learn how to hunt with D-scan, but I'm not really fast with it or anything.
I suppose the hunting comes later when I feel I can use cruisers/battlecruisers... maybe even battleships for some solo-PvP, so I have some better tank and damage on hand Big smile

Less yappin', more zappin'!
Lady Spank
Get Out Nasty Face
#59 - 2011-12-09 11:33:18 UTC  |  Edited by: Lady Spank
Looking for a fair fight is not how to do it. Looking for a chi.nk in their armour is.

Splitting a group up. Forcing them to make a mistake, catching one alone at a celestial and killing them before backup arrives etc... You will not truly learn how to find engagements in rvb... But as long as you have fun its your sub money!

chi.nk is not a racial slur in this instance, seriously WTF CCP.

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Kn1v3s 999
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#60 - 2011-12-09 15:44:07 UTC
No scouts. No T3 boosting. No bait alt etc.

One char. One account. One main.

That s how i roll and i rolled from a year till now with a little pause.