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So what's keeping you from moving to Null Sec
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Jenn aSide
Worthless Carebears
The Initiative.
#241 - 2014-06-30 13:02:37 UTC  |  Edited by: Jenn aSide
African Angel wrote:
Flying around in a blob and pressing f1 against people I outnumber 5 to 1 isn't interesting to me.
Taking part in the political machinations of some autistic super nerd sat in his mother's basement isn't interesting to me.
Falling asleep shooting at structures isn't interesting to me.
Being forced to go on mandatory ops to do the above isn't interesting to me.
Being a faceless drone in a giant corporation isn't interesting to me.

I could go on and on. I think that endgame 0.0 is basically just the most boring, uninteresting and irrelevant part of the game. Some of the drama it produced was fun to read back in the molle days but it's been a long time since even that was entertaining.


Boy does this bring back memories.

I started playing in 2007, introduced to the game by a friend in another (non-mmo) game. Started like most people do, runnning missions. My whole 1st year I ran missions in high sec, even made it into a Navy Raven. Joined a mission running corp and had fun, not from the missions, but from being on comms. On their advice I was waiting to have enough isk and skills to 'go to null or low'. I listened to the horror stories about 'CTAs" and being kicked for inactivity and about becoming some nerd's drone.

I joined the Gallente Militia one day on of Faction Warfare. For the next 3 months I flew and fought and died in low sec. Made a lot of friends. One friend asked me and a few buddies to join his corp for for a day to get some Cap kills in null sec. Ended up in that corp for 3 years lol.

That corp and a couple others formed a New Alliance from nothing and we took a pocket in Syndicate for our home, eventually forming a coalition and attacking Cloud Ring. It was up to that point the most fun of my video gaming life.

And the thought of it makes me angry now.

Not because of what happened, but because like a fool I spent a year listening to carebear idiots about life outside of high sec. I missed out on a YEAR of ass kicking fun because i was too trusting. There were guys in Faction Warfare and in my Null Alliance who were only weeks old and flying frigates or badly fit cruisers having fun in their 1st year, while in mine I was flying a boring ass Raven saving a stupid ass Damsel because I choose to listen to people who put all their energy into make excuses rather than making things fun...

So when I saw the above quoted post, it took me right back to 2007-8, because somethings never, ever change......
Tauranon
Weeesearch
CAStabouts
#242 - 2014-06-30 13:03:30 UTC
Inir Ishtori wrote:
Most has been already said, so i don't want to repeat it again.

The thing that i personally miss is some kind of a base of operation, like a super stealthy hideout where you can store and refit a couple of ships(cov ops frig + blockade runner + 1 or 2 cruisers), modules, loot etc, something that makes you independent of npc stations and does not summon a fleet to poop on you like a moon tower would.


What exactly is wrong with a station ? As I said in my last post, asides from deep angel and drone space, there are NPC stations all over the place, that let you both work npc null, and surrounding sov null.

If you approach the station with a covops cloak ship you can create an accurate undock insta before you dock - better than rolling out of the dock if you use the tactical display to position yourself, and plenty of them have little traffic.
Schmata Bastanold
In Boobiez We Trust
#243 - 2014-06-30 13:08:54 UTC
Only person you can be really angry with is you, dear Jenn. And I'm not sure when concept of suicide ganking emerged but you could be that first dude who exploded 200+ hulk at cost of 1mil cat. Think about it. Where you are doesn't matter, what you do does. And whether it is fun for you or not matters the most.

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Seven Koskanaiken
Shadow Legions.
SONS of BANE
#244 - 2014-06-30 13:09:21 UTC
Tauranon wrote:
Seven Koskanaiken wrote:
Bael Malefic wrote:

Your "take a tengu to null" is neither sustainable nor scalable and is not a realistic option for most players. You have failed to disprove, or even challenge, that simple statement. "Mastery" in this context means being able to operate that ship competently and not just be fodder for the first ganker, roamer or camper you come across. Like I said, I see a lot of them get popped where I fly.


Watching local, using dscan, and deploying a mobile depot with 4 warp stabs in cargo is unrealistic.


It amused me too. Stuff in my system has escalated 30+ times, and all 30+ times have gone into geminate which is by and large hostile to me, and once the mobile depot got added, I didn't have to run them covops/nullfier, and it was much quicker and as a result imo safer.

I also don't know why a non-full skill tengu pilot would struggle. I have a corelum c-type rep on a proteus, and otherwise T2 fit, with the drone subs for combat, and it is a perfectly acceptable plexer, even though CCP have murdered it nerfing the Ishtar/domi. An unfinished tengu pilot is still going to have the same tank and dps as me, they are simply a stronger boat for the PVE task.

In all honesty every part of the null map except for the deep north east, and the deep south east has excellent access from NPC null if you wanted to longer term the stay from a dock and arrange to haul yourself a larger pile of ammo than you can move to a can, and there is an obvious safe method of getting a t3 to and from such a location.



FYI Anyone using venal can resupply ammo from H-P, planet II is a natural insta undock from the market hub there IIRC.

See, you could print all this on the front of a newspaper, but people still wouldn't bother.
Jenn aSide
Worthless Carebears
The Initiative.
#245 - 2014-06-30 13:11:38 UTC  |  Edited by: Jenn aSide
Schmata Bastanold wrote:
Only person you can be really angry with is you, dear Jenn.


No doubt, I've learned to not listen to stupid people as a result though.

Quote:

And I'm not sure when concept of suicide ganking emerged


2003 in game, 1794 or earlier out of game......

Quote:

but you could be that first dude who exploded 200+ hulk at cost of 1mil cat. Think about it. Where you are doesn't matter, what you do does. And whether it is fun for you or not matters the most.


Ok, next time post in English. What does exploding carebear ships have to do with anything.

And you missed the point. No one said null is for everyone, but some people are so busy making excuses about how they can't do anything in a video game that they end up doing nothing....in a video game. This thread of full of that. Well, it's full of something lol.
Schmata Bastanold
In Boobiez We Trust
#246 - 2014-06-30 13:13:04 UTC
What's wrong with my English?

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Christina Project
Screaming Head in a Box.
#247 - 2014-06-30 13:14:12 UTC
Nothing, because I don't want to go there,
as I have no interest in going there.

Most people play in highsec anyway,
one way or another,
including lots of nullseccers.

Reaching out to people is pointless there, where barely any actually live anyway.

[i]"Don't look into another human's bowl to see how much he has ... ... look into his bowl to see if he has enough !" - Sol[/i]
Master Sunfang
EVE Enlightened
#248 - 2014-06-30 13:46:04 UTC
Waiting for the renters to wise up, revolt en mass and burn it all to ash.

Perhaps then Null sec will become fertile enough to plant some seeds...

Do you want to buy some seeds?

Eye of the storm
Schmata Bastanold
In Boobiez We Trust
#249 - 2014-06-30 13:48:58 UTC
Yes, preferably already rolled and lit. I'm the consumer goddamnit!

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Zimmy Zeta
Perkone
Caldari State
#250 - 2014-06-30 13:52:53 UTC
Master Sunfang wrote:
Waiting for the renters to wise up, revolt en mass and burn it all to ash.



have we really become so lazy and apathetic that we are now asking the renters to gank themselves? Shocked

I'd like to apologize for the poor quality of the post above and sincerely hope you didn't waste your time reading it. Yes, I do feel bad about it.
Rectile
Warped
#251 - 2014-06-30 14:06:55 UTC  |  Edited by: Rectile
No longer care
Ramona McCandless
Silent Vale
LinkNet
#252 - 2014-06-30 14:08:34 UTC
Rectile wrote:
been playing about a month and so far gate camps are the thing not preventing me from going to null sec or low but enough to deter me I have even made the decision to unsub


Good. One less sebiestard to choke the clone tubes with

If you havent worked out how to get past a gate camp after a month, then the whole concept of cloaks and stabs is entirely lost on you.

"Yea, some dude came in and was normal for first couple months, so I gave him director." - Sean Dunaway

"A singular character could be hired to penetrate another corps space... using gorilla like tactics..." - Chane Morgann
Gully Alex Foyle
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#253 - 2014-06-30 14:09:20 UTC
Rectile wrote:
been playing about a month and so far gate camps are the thing not preventing me from going to null sec or low but enough to deter me I have even made the decision to unsub
Bye!

Or try travelling through wormholes.

Make space glamorous! Is EVE dying or not? Ask the EVE-O Death-o-meter!
Jenn aSide
Worthless Carebears
The Initiative.
#254 - 2014-06-30 14:13:33 UTC
Gully Alex Foyle wrote:
Rectile wrote:
been playing about a month and so far gate camps are the thing not preventing me from going to null sec or low but enough to deter me I have even made the decision to unsub
Bye!

Or try travelling through wormholes.


There goes Gully again, offering advice to people who don't want advice but rather who wants someone to 'fix it' for them lest they deny CCP their 15 dollars. Twisted
Chainsaw Plankton
FaDoyToy
#255 - 2014-06-30 14:14:10 UTC
I get bored rather quickly in null. Granted I've never fully moved out there. Been out a few times to rat up sec status, and on a few roams. When it comes to pvp it seems most people just dock, safe, or pos up. Or there is the chance of zomgblob. As for pve ratting blows, anoms sound better but that is mostly because you supposedly make more isk.

@ChainsawPlankto on twitter
Gully Alex Foyle
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#256 - 2014-06-30 14:18:50 UTC
Jenn aSide wrote:
Gully Alex Foyle wrote:
Rectile wrote:
been playing about a month and so far gate camps are the thing not preventing me from going to null sec or low but enough to deter me I have even made the decision to unsub
Bye!

Or try travelling through wormholes.


There goes Gully again, offering advice to people who don't want advice but rather who wants someone to 'fix it' for them lest they deny CCP their 15 dollars. Twisted
LOL I'm so nice, I can't help it.

But 'Bye!' was my first answer...

Make space glamorous! Is EVE dying or not? Ask the EVE-O Death-o-meter!
Aralyn Cormallen
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#257 - 2014-06-30 14:35:18 UTC
Jenn aSide wrote:

And you missed the point. No one said null is for everyone, but some people are so busy making excuses about how they can't do anything in a video game that they end up doing nothing....in a video game. This thread of full of that. Well, it's full of something lol.


Yeah, thats it. I have nothing against folks who have tried something, and genuinely don't like it - we are all very different people after all, and we can't all like the same thing. Likewise, I have nothing against people who have found whatever they find fun, and are content enough doing it, that they don't need to look elsewhere.

As an example, I tried Highsec wars, and loathed station games so thoroughlly I was determined I had to get out, and fast, but some people love that ****, and fair enough to them. And on the other hand, I've never tried wormholing, not for any specific reason (although I hate probing, so that might be keeping me away), but just because I'm having fun where I am. Maybe someday, when someone finally gives our sandcastle its much-deserving torching, I'll give wormholes a whirl, but I'm in no rush, and I certainly wont be badmouthing it without knowing what its like.

Its the people who have never tried it, and are content to listen to the horror stories of other people who have never tried it, but heard from their brothers best friends housemate that it was horrible, that I have issue with. There are plenty of reasons to be nervous of trying something, but many of them are horrible distortions of the truth, and there are some guys genuinely here trying to dispel some misconceptions, and maybe get some of those who would enjoy it to just give it a shot.
Inir Ishtori
Perkone
Caldari State
#258 - 2014-06-30 14:35:55 UTC
Tauranon wrote:
Inir Ishtori wrote:
Most has been already said, so i don't want to repeat it again.

The thing that i personally miss is some kind of a base of operation, like a super stealthy hideout where you can store and refit a couple of ships(cov ops frig + blockade runner + 1 or 2 cruisers), modules, loot etc, something that makes you independent of npc stations and does not summon a fleet to poop on you like a moon tower would.


What exactly is wrong with a station ? As I said in my last post, asides from deep angel and drone space, there are NPC stations all over the place, that let you both work npc null, and surrounding sov null.

If you approach the station with a covops cloak ship you can create an accurate undock insta before you dock - better than rolling out of the dock if you use the tactical display to position yourself, and plenty of them have little traffic.



NPC stations are in the NPC space - i would like, on the other hand, some more flexibility where to go. Maybe i do want to go into deep angel or drone space, or even somewhere deep into someone's underused sovereign space while the owners are elsewhere for a week or two.
Rectile
Warped
#259 - 2014-06-30 15:14:49 UTC  |  Edited by: Rectile
No longer care
Rectile
Warped
#260 - 2014-06-30 15:16:48 UTC  |  Edited by: Rectile
No longer care