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War Dec System is Broken
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Inxentas Ultramar
Ultramar Independent Contracting
#101 - 2014-06-30 15:06:18 UTC  |  Edited by: Inxentas Ultramar
Respute wrote:
Oh and in reply to the bear above me who is talking about war decs hurting noob friendly corps. The last thing a noob needs is to group up with people who can't take care of themselves.

QFT.

Once you start or join a corporation you are subject to corporate rivalry from that moment on. You gain a number of benefits (taxations, anchorage) in exchange for your immunity to wardecs. This is a basic requirement of a corporation, the bottom line is that you can retain your members and create content, even in the face of hardship. That simply is what it takes to be recognized as a corporation in Eve Online. This is a choice that is forced on nobody, but alas more people then actual content creators make use of the liberty, and find themselves decced, outnumbered and outclassed for an 11% tax cut.
Intar Medris
KarmaFleet University
#102 - 2014-06-30 15:34:30 UTC
What is broken about it is it is entirely too easy and cost free to dodge a war dec.

1. Just drop corp and hide out in an NPC corp till the dec ends.

2. Have a pre setup corp or two then have all members join that corp till the dec ends.

Not difficult for carebears to dodge war decs nor does it cost them anything. They should either have to pay or carry the war dec with them.
The ease at which war decs are dodged is what breaks the system.

I try to be nice and mind my business just shooting lasers at rocks. There is just way too many asshats in New Eden for that to happen.
Gully Alex Foyle
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#103 - 2014-06-30 15:48:05 UTC
Intar Medris wrote:
What is broken about it is it is entirely too easy and cost free to dodge a war dec.

1. Just drop corp and hide out in an NPC corp till the dec ends.

2. Have a pre setup corp or two then have all members join that corp till the dec ends.

Not difficult for carebears to dodge war decs nor does it cost them anything. They should either have to pay or carry the war dec with them.
The ease at which war decs are dodged is what breaks the system.
I sort of agree but... you can always look for people that actually want to fight.

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Thalos Elongus
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#104 - 2014-07-02 10:33:43 UTC
I dont see a Problem

You are in Eve, a PVP game..

You agree to beeing blown up the moment you undock...

You agree to join wars by joining a non-NPC Corp
Voyager Arran
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#105 - 2014-07-03 20:26:08 UTC
Intar Medris wrote:
What is broken about it is it is entirely too easy and cost free to dodge a war dec.

1. Just drop corp and hide out in an NPC corp till the dec ends.

2. Have a pre setup corp or two then have all members join that corp till the dec ends.

Not difficult for carebears to dodge war decs nor does it cost them anything. They should either have to pay or carry the war dec with them.
The ease at which war decs are dodged is what breaks the system.


Yes, because highsec would be at all functional if 50 mil bought anybody an inescapable week-long carebare hunting license.

Don't forget to pair this with the commonly proposed changes to make NPC corps utterly unlivable just to make sure nobody can ever undock a Freighter again.


Listen, I love killing idiots in hisec, but don't come at this with the perspective that hisec exists primarily to provide a game preserve for real players or that the deer are doing something wrong by running away instead of standing there and letting you shoot them.
Deebo Singleton
#106 - 2014-07-03 21:46:03 UTC
Abla Tive wrote:
My carebear alliance was recently decced.

Corp mining events were cancelled and the most
common reaction to the dec was that members stopped logging in.

When the war was over, many but not all of our members started logging in again.

Yes, there are many different ways to respond to a war dec,
but the stop playing response is quite strong in many players.

I am sure to be informed that those players who stopped playing were not "right" for EVE anyway and therefore no loss to the game.


I'm not sure what you need to be informed of, but that was/is self-evident. If someone plays a game, gets fed up with it for whatever reason, and quits playing it... what does the game lose? Are they "good," for the game?

People stop and start playing on a daily basis for diffirent reasons, many of them mutually contradictory. If you point was to say that "had it not been for wardecing, this game would have many more subs today," I would have to say, I doubt it. The game has marched on a long time with more griefplay than is in the game at present.
Christopher Mabata
Northern Accounts and Systems
#107 - 2014-07-07 12:47:16 UTC
High sec is another form of low sec, until your redeemer pilot turns his safety to red and shoots a fleet member and gets concorded forgetting it wasnt low sec. RIP

Anyways yes its cheap to make war these days ( and the rising cost of hookers means make war not love ) which has lead to the rise of high sec merc corps and war dec corps, but the way i see it that also acts as incentive to move people out of high sec and into more dangerous zones of space to avoid mercenary corps that usually wont enter low sec where they lose the upper hand of neutral logi and untouchable bump ships.

Yes war dec system could use tweaking, but its not quite broken. almost but not yet

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