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DJentropy Ovaert
The Conference Elite
Safety.
#121 - 2014-06-26 14:59:04 UTC
BeBopAReBop RhubarbPie wrote:
Tengu Grib wrote:
Confirming DJEntropy is a cool cat, cannot confirm he has cool cats though. Can confirm he fies cats. If you have any issues with Code agents DJEntropy will look into it. He's a fantastic individual.


We need a pick of DJEntropy being a cool cat while flying cats and petting cats.

Seriously though, anyone that gets ganked should contact DJ. He is everything a New Order agent should aspire to be. Cool, suave, sophisticated, merciful and explosion loving. If you need proof, just check out the new order spy agency chat logs on minerbumping.


Ahhh, both of you - cut it out! Thank you so much for the kind words.

I have always done my best to play the role of internet spaceship villain in a way that allows me to explode everything I can explode and cause as much damage to anyone I can cause damage to, without ever once crossing the line into the creepy area of insulting the person at the keyboard. I'm sure that most every single miner that DJentropy terrorizes is a very nice upstanding human being - and I would never insult the person. However, DJentropy finds your untanked AFK mining ships and auto pilot freighters to be disgusting and wrong, and he takes a great deal of pleasure in exploding you as many times as you let him get away with it. :)

This is the joy of EVE - you can be the bad guy! Of course, DJentropy is not the bad guy - he's actually the good guy and you are the bad guy, and he will explain to you why you are evil :)
BeBopAReBop RhubarbPie
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#122 - 2014-06-26 16:22:39 UTC
Wrecktum Yourday wrote:
What the code does I don't belive should be called "ganking" it should be called "saving" "blessing or "enlightenment" ganking just sounds terrible. The Code is trying to save high sec care bears from the demons of terrible fits and afking.

While I agree with the sentiment, "saving", "blessing", and "enlightenment" all sound like we're a religious organization. As the sovereign protectors of high sec, the separation of church and state is extremely important. Keeping religious overtones out of our speech will help spread the Truth of James 315 and His Code while fighting heresies against HTFU and the New Halaima Code of Conduct.

Have you heard the good word today?

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DJentropy Ovaert
The Conference Elite
Safety.
#123 - 2014-06-27 14:27:41 UTC
BeBopAReBop RhubarbPie wrote:
Wrecktum Yourday wrote:
What the code does I don't belive should be called "ganking" it should be called "saving" "blessing or "enlightenment" ganking just sounds terrible. The Code is trying to save high sec care bears from the demons of terrible fits and afking.

While I agree with the sentiment, "saving", "blessing", and "enlightenment" all sound like we're a religious organization. As the sovereign protectors of high sec, the separation of church and state is extremely important. Keeping religious overtones out of our speech will help spread the Truth of James 315 and His Code while fighting heresies against HTFU and the New Halaima Code of Conduct.

Have you heard the good word today?


Plus, we have to be able to communicate in ways that the aspirant can understand. If he is unable to get a giggle out of psuedo-religious parody and his inability to process that type of tounge-in-cheek humor stands in the way of his understanding, but just using the word "ganked" gets him past that mental checkpoint - all is good. The whole point is to stop them from choosing to play the role of the helpless player who has never been given any tools at all to protect himself.
Sequester Risalo
German Corps of Engineers 17
Federation of Respect Honor Passion Alliance.
#124 - 2014-06-28 07:42:07 UTC
DJentropy Ovaert wrote:
BeBopAReBop RhubarbPie wrote:
Wrecktum Yourday wrote:
What the code does I don't belive should be called "ganking" it should be called "saving" "blessing or "enlightenment" ganking just sounds terrible. The Code is trying to save high sec care bears from the demons of terrible fits and afking.

While I agree with the sentiment, "saving", "blessing", and "enlightenment" all sound like we're a religious organization. As the sovereign protectors of high sec, the separation of church and state is extremely important. Keeping religious overtones out of our speech will help spread the Truth of James 315 and His Code while fighting heresies against HTFU and the New Halaima Code of Conduct.

Have you heard the good word today?


Plus, we have to be able to communicate in ways that the aspirant can understand. If he is unable to get a giggle out of psuedo-religious parody and his inability to process that type of tounge-in-cheek humor stands in the way of his understanding, but just using the word "ganked" gets him past that mental checkpoint - all is good. The whole point is to stop them from choosing to play the role of the helpless player who has never been given any tools at all to protect himself.



Maybe you two should get together and decide whether you are the sovereign protectors of high sec and keep state and church seperated or if you are making a pseudo religious parody. Your continuous use of terms like "savior" or "spreading the word" point in the direction of the latter.

Please be consistent in whatever you do.
DJentropy Ovaert
The Conference Elite
Safety.
#125 - 2014-06-29 23:27:20 UTC
Sequester Risalo wrote:


Maybe you two should get together and decide whether you are the sovereign protectors of high sec and keep state and church seperated or if you are making a pseudo religious parody. Your continuous use of terms like "savior" or "spreading the word" point in the direction of the latter.

Please be consistent in whatever you do.



What do you think we are doing?

Either we really believe we are a true religion or we are a bunch of fun loving misfits who love creating emergent content. I'll leave you to look over the evidence and come to your own informed decision :)

Spoiler: We're not a religion :P
admiral root
Red Galaxy
#126 - 2014-06-30 13:06:49 UTC
Sequester Risalo wrote:
keep state and church seperated


Why, praise James, would we want to keep them apart?

No, your rights end in optimal+2*falloff
Zero Sum Gain
FREEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEDOOOOOOOOM
#127 - 2014-06-30 13:29:49 UTC
DJentropy Ovaert wrote:
Sequester Risalo wrote:


Maybe you two should get together and decide whether you are the sovereign protectors of high sec and keep state and church seperated or if you are making a pseudo religious parody. Your continuous use of terms like "savior" or "spreading the word" point in the direction of the latter.

Please be consistent in whatever you do.



What do you think we are doing?

Either we really believe we are a true religion or we are a bunch of fun loving misfits who love creating emergent content. I'll leave you to look over the evidence and come to your own informed decision :)

Spoiler: We're not a religion :P

Code's code: The ATF

PS: Came here expecting discussion of the code's code, left a sad panda.
Tear Jar
New Order Logistics
CODE.
#128 - 2014-07-01 21:11:13 UTC
Serendipity Lost wrote:
OP - I've been trying to understand the deep immersion role player angle since I've started playing. I don't think I'll ever get it.

It's harmless until they start believing their made up play rules. It's hard to tell with the code guys. Most of them are deep immersion role players. I think most of them just enjoy the pretend space police thing. I don't think more that half actually believe in it. It's one of those things where you'll never be able to tell the role players for the true believers.

Big picture - they don't really matter. There are far more serious space ships issues than a bunch of empire role players in catalysts. If they really bother you - just leave empire - they won't come after you. Jump out of empire and watch their little role player faces get smashed up against the low sec window as they watch you pilot away into dangerous places they fear to go.


I hear this a lot, but the CODE alliance regularly runs ops in low and null sec.
Tear Jar
New Order Logistics
CODE.
#129 - 2014-07-01 21:28:52 UTC
YariLei wrote:
Thank you for the links and posts so far!


As I've said, I don't mind ganking for the benefit of all players in Eve when it's done with proper principles. It's just that the way it is played out with all the letters and such lacks credibility. I've seen CODE open fire on empty shuttles and rookie frigates just because they were AFK, which just seems odd.


The problem with shuttles is they are fast and it takes time to scan them for cargo. Players willl pop them because its cheap to do so and sometimes they have a huge cargo.
Tear Jar
New Order Logistics
CODE.
#130 - 2014-07-01 21:40:05 UTC
Ahost Gceo wrote:
I read Minerbumping for kicks and giggles and have ganked miners myself in highsec occasionally, but the latest post about killing freighters even if they are not carrying anything is slightly concerning. I understand and acknowledge that carrying a ton of valuables in a ship to make it a veritable loot piñata is stupid, but merely flying a class of ship in highsec that would be almost suicidal anywhere else due to its nature and then getting ganked for it is ridiculous. I fully expect a staunch CODE supporter to use some of their rhetoric to justify a reasonable cause for ganking empty freighters, but beyond "tears" I just don't see the logic, and view it as rather harmful to the existing highsec ecology. If ever it comes to the point that freighters are no longer utilized, they will gank empty/ full industrials, and then people will be left hauling stuff in combat ships because there is nothing else that would be "safe" to fly in an environment that was supposed to be some of the safest space in Eve per CCP.

I guess the point is that a line in the sand should be drawn for ganking that would demand some self-restraint. If there is no profit to be made in a gank, leave the fish alone so they can fatten up and actually make it worthwhile.


1. The logic is to encourage freighters to buy permits and not afk. Even if there is only a 1 in 100 chance of your freighter getting ganked, its still profitable to buy a permit.

2. Its still possible to use a freighter safely in highsec. Almost all(and possibly all) of the freighters we have killed were afk/autopiloting. Manually piloting your freighter almost ensures your safety. If you have an alt/friend with webs, you are very safe.
BeBopAReBop RhubarbPie
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#131 - 2014-07-01 21:54:36 UTC
Sequester Risalo wrote:
DJentropy Ovaert wrote:
BeBopAReBop RhubarbPie wrote:
While I agree with the sentiment, "saving", "blessing", and "enlightenment" all sound like we're a religious organization. As the sovereign protectors of high sec, the separation of church and state is extremely important. Keeping religious overtones out of our speech will help spread the Truth of James 315 and His Code while fighting heresies against HTFU and the New Halaima Code of Conduct.

Have you heard the good word today?
....


Maybe you two should get together and decide whether you are the sovereign protectors of high sec and keep state and church seperated or if you are making a pseudo religious parody. Your continuous use of terms like "savior" or "spreading the word" point in the direction of the latter.

Please be consistent in whatever you do.

My god, how thick do I have to lay the irony?

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Sanchez's Little Helpers
#132 - 2014-07-02 01:28:27 UTC
*Trigger warning* Out Of Capsule

As an avid science-fiction role-player, I am proud to bring my talents to CODE. My favorite part is when the angry miner starts to call me bad names in order to discredit the glorious work that I partake in.

I'm really happy that an outlet like CODE. exists for my roleplaying needs.
Ji Hyu Song
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
#133 - 2014-07-02 06:52:38 UTC
Tear Jar wrote:


1. The logic is to encourage freighters to buy permits and not afk. Even if there is only a 1 in 100 chance of your freighter getting ganked, its still profitable to buy a permit.

2. Its still possible to use a freighter safely in highsec. Almost all(and possibly all) of the freighters we have killed were afk/autopiloting. Manually piloting your freighter almost ensures your safety. If you have an alt/friend with webs, you are very safe.



In another words, this is just a blackmail. Welcome to Eve. Twisted
Pay up or get your ship blown up.
Soylent Jade
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#134 - 2014-07-02 13:10:19 UTC  |  Edited by: Soylent Jade
Ji Hyu Song wrote:
Tear Jar wrote:


1. The logic is to encourage freighters to buy permits and not afk. Even if there is only a 1 in 100 chance of your freighter getting ganked, its still profitable to buy a permit.

2. Its still possible to use a freighter safely in highsec. Almost all(and possibly all) of the freighters we have killed were afk/autopiloting. Manually piloting your freighter almost ensures your safety. If you have an alt/friend with webs, you are very safe.



In another words, this is just a blackmail. Welcome to Eve. Twisted
Pay up or get your ship blown up.


I believe the word you were looking for there was extortion, not blackmail. If you're going for Minerbumping.com BINGO squares, at least get the terms right, please. Blink

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Leto Thule
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#135 - 2014-07-02 13:26:57 UTC
Soylent Jade wrote:
Minerbumping.com BINGO squares


Ganking BINGO!

That sounds like a blast!

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MPaladin
Omega Dawn Corp
#136 - 2014-07-14 03:03:07 UTC
Komi Toran wrote:
From what I gather, CODE is James315's way of making ISK while AFK. P


That's the best quote, I've seen in this entire thread
Jamwara DelCalicoe Ashley
New Eden Tech Support
#137 - 2014-07-22 22:35:12 UTC
Graabeerd Khagah wrote:
YariLei wrote:
Ganking for profit has always been a part of Eve and I endorse it; you should never fly what you can't afford to lose. I learned it the hard way and that's fine. It's Eve so I got what I deserved. However, I received a letter saying why CODE picks their targets and there's a point I'd like to get an honest answer to from CODE, if you may? The letter claims autopiloting is an AFK activity and therefore botting; hence bannable by their code of conduct. I'm simply wondering, by this reasoning, is all AFK activity considered botting?

When you sell something in local market, you put it up and leave it there. Likewise, Buy Orders exist until they're fulfilled, requiring little input from you as a player, other than occasionally fixing the price. By not directly selling to open Buy Orders but putting something up as a Sales Order, you're relying on game mechanics to do the sale for you. Just like autopiloting would do when you click the button in Eve client.

If a pilot purchases a Catalyst from a sell order from local market, wouldn't that be seen as endorcing AFK activity? Where would you draw a line?

Therefore, wouldn't it be easier to just come out straight, "honest-to-god" gankers, since the "ban-all-AFK-activity" approach seems -to me- a little questionable?


This activity is regarded in my book as bannable for ALL of this so called alliance called CODE. I am at the point of wardeccing that entire alliance until the last one falls. I am sick and tired of their nonsense of the way they deal with AFKers and they have ABSOLUTELY no rights, they have ABSOLUTELY no endorsement from CCP to engage in what I see is illegal griefing beyond the point of no return plus.

James315 started this whole mess when he posted his rants (manifestos) a couple of years ago, where is he at now?? HIDING thats where. I may be a "NicePirate" but my blood boils. AFK autopiloting is NOT botting, nor is mining, if I need to go and take a break while mining thats MY RIGHT to do so. If CODE is so darn stupid to think they can control EVERY aspect of the game, I hate to see what would happen in nulsec.


I might be wrong - if I am, feel free to flame and troll until you feel better - but ... wasn't it CCP who told the CODE. crowd that they had to monetize their shenanigans or else it would be considered "griefing?" I think it was. so, there goes your idea that they're engaging in " illegal griefing," also, saying " ... in what I see as illegal griefing ... " kinda shines some light on what you're actually trying to say here.

Don't blame CCP for your disappointment. Your emotions are your own responsibility.

Thank me later :D