EVE General Discussion

Um, so...are we arguing with Divine Entervention's alt or something?

Yup.
I mean you can sit around and circle jerk each other all you want.
But people canceling accounts because of high plex prices is never a good thing and it is indeed happening.

In your opinion, which is all you have actually shown.
I could care that high plex prices made you UN sub an alt but no one here will bear to see you mis represent that in a form that's indicitave of a problem for anyone other than yourself.

Well, Dave Stark needs to have a word with himself. People will quit the game for all kinds of reasons: surely everyone who lives in hi sec knows at least one industrialist who plays the market to fund their PLEX subscription and has from time to time quit the game when they couldn't afford another PLEX due to extended absences during their 30 days?

I've dropped two subscriptions simply because I can't afford them anymore. Those subscriptions only existed because I could pay for the subscription with in game currency. Prices went up, my income earning went down, eventually it got to the point where I was spending too much time grinding ISK for the subscriptions for two accounts that I only use for grinding ISK for subscriptions.

So while your poll doesn't show any meaningful distinction between the categories, it should at least challenge Dave's assumptions about the subscriber population. Dave could always qualify his statement with weasel words like "significant number of" ;)

Did Remiel just call us penguin's....

That's the core point right there.

If every single person played EVE just because they can play for free, CCP's revenue would be exactly zero.


CCP's first priority is to make sure the game is worth 15$ a month to a large group of people.

CCP's second priority is to make sure the game is worth 15$ a month plus an additional 20$ from time to time to some other people.


It would be pointless for them to try to keep Mara Rinn's two additional subscriptions, since Mara isn't willing to pay RL cash for them (which is perfectly fine, by the way - you absolutely do what you please with your RL cash).


Instead, they should keep focussing on giving Mr. Busy Rich guy good reasons to buy PLEX with cash. If they succeed, presumably PLEX supply will increase, ISK prices will go down, and Mara will maybe re-sub her alts.

Or alternatively, introduce some cool new feature that would convince Mara to pay cash to sub another alt to try it out (assuming an alt would be useful to enjoy the new feature).

Or alternatively, just forget about Mara because it's only natural to become bored of a game after 7 years, and try to attract some new paying customers instead.


To be clear: Mara, this isn't an ad hominem, I just used your clearly explained case as an example.

who cares if people cancel accounts due to plex prices? i really cant see the problem with it.

and please don't take me for a simpleminded FOX news brainwashed market loving wacko, who would explain why the water spins when we flush the toilet because of "the market", but if there's one place where we can clearly see market play at its best it has to be here. plex goes up to prohibitive prices, people stop consuming the product. since there's no alternative to plex for some, they stop subbing the account completely. end of story. no one is the bad guy, and eve happened.

the real problem here is the perception some people get that "EVE is free to play" it isn't, it never was, and it never will be.

Ive finally got around to looking at this poll


It turns out that none of the choices apply to the majority of players AT ALL

Groovy

current buy out at Hek is 723 mill

just saying.

This is the thing, a lot of people are mistakenly following the train of "PLEX price rises -> People can no longer afford PLEX -> Accounts lapse -> CCP lose money", however, they are missing the fact that CCP isn't getting their money from those now-lapsed accounts, but from the guys who buy additional PLEX for real money. While the PLEX price continues to soar, the people buying them for money have no reason to stop, since they are selling, and currently selling for much better than they ever have. If you intend to ever buy PLEX for real money, now is the time to do it, lapsing accounts be damned.

Now, granted, there is an arguement that we are living on credit here - if the price of PLEX is a hideously simulated bubble, when it pops, there is suddenly going to be a massive PLEX stockpile going for comparitively peanuts. At that point, all (or certainly a lot of) those lapsed accounts are going to fire up again, but conversely, people who are currently happily paying cash for PLEX will stop, likely hoping for the price to surge again rather than paying twice the real money just to get the same weight of isk you can now.

Oddly, its not the subscription loss from "play for free" players that is the risk, its the "PLEX for real money" players stopping buying that is the risk to CCP's bottom line.