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So what's keeping you from moving to Null Sec

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Saraki Ishikela
Perkone
Caldari State
#221 - 2014-06-29 21:57:49 UTC
I don't even know what happened to this thread anymore lol ;)

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Unezka Turigahl
Det Som Engang Var
#222 - 2014-06-29 22:13:56 UTC
Pretty sure Ms. Dusette swings the other way, as shes been rather... forward with me before. Now which one of Dusettes this was, I'm not entirely sure... Maybe it was a group deal. I'm a bit reluctant to engage in WH play now...

Null sucks (on topic).
Erica Dusette
Division 13
#223 - 2014-06-29 22:23:42 UTC
I wouldn't say forward. Although I agree it's rare here to have people say random, nice complimentary things to one another. I wouldn't mistake that for a romantic interest however.

But it is true. I have ... experimented.

I'm an explorer, afterall. Just a humble explorer...

Jack Miton > you be nice or you're sleeping on the couch again!

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Vayn Baxtor
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#224 - 2014-06-29 22:35:28 UTC
Saraki Ishikela wrote:
So I was talking with a few friends today that play the game. We're all in different corps and have different play styles. One is a High Sec Carebear, I prefer low sec exploration etc.

I'm certainly not risk averse and my friend asked me why I've never ventured into null sec. And to me it's the logistics. I'm terrified of the process of buying ships, modules, skill books easily and quickly. I certainly don't mind losing ships but I want to know I can replace them easily and keep playing.

To me having to wait a few days to buy a new ship or resupply seems really unappealing depending on your alliances logistics infrastructure. Or having to pay Black Frog 100m+ to jump supplies to you, and what if they can't dock at your station. It all seems like a nightmare and is very prohibitive to game play.

For what is supposed to be the aspiration for most players to get to, it seems very counter intuitive to the newer player. I don't have market alts, or multiple accounts or a logistics alt etc.

I was just wondering how unfounded is my concern?

ALSO What are other reasons that YOU may not have gone to Null Sec etc.


I've just returned after an unfortunate hiatus.
0.0 is awesome, but getting there is still a bit of a headache. This is not to say that I don't like the headache, but there's still some small things that need to be done. Personally, pretty much the entire 2013 involved me and my previous corp/career spending more time moving back and forth, from one corner of the 0.0 galaxy to another, spending most of the time trying to just get established somewhere-somehow with just a few ships.

And thus, paying cash for a game that involves too much fooling around with moving stuff is silly somewhat. It is not supposed to be easy but there has to be some things done. Nonetheless, it's the player community that screws it actually, not CCP (unless they take on the case, but good luck with that xD!)

Okay, I don't really fill the criteria for staying in highsec, especially now that I am back in noobcorp and highsec, but I'm really considering to get the carebear out of hibernation and just nom on iskies until I'm fat (I'm already ugly).

Using tablet, typoes are common and I'm not going to fix them all.

Inir Ishtori
Perkone
Caldari State
#225 - 2014-06-29 23:32:48 UTC
Most has been already said, so i don't want to repeat it again.

The thing that i personally miss is some kind of a base of operation, like a super stealthy hideout where you can store and refit a couple of ships(cov ops frig + blockade runner + 1 or 2 cruisers), modules, loot etc, something that makes you independent of npc stations and does not summon a fleet to poop on you like a moon tower would.
African Angel
Pator Tech School
Minmatar Republic
#226 - 2014-06-29 23:45:15 UTC  |  Edited by: African Angel
Flying around in a blob and pressing f1 against people I outnumber 5 to 1 isn't interesting to me.
Taking part in the political machinations of some autistic super nerd sat in his mother's basement isn't interesting to me.
Falling asleep shooting at structures isn't interesting to me.
Being forced to go on mandatory ops to do the above isn't interesting to me.
Being a faceless drone in a giant corporation isn't interesting to me.

I could go on and on. I think that endgame 0.0 is basically just the most boring, uninteresting and irrelevant part of the game. Some of the drama it produced was fun to read back in the molle days but it's been a long time since even that was entertaining.
Ranzabar
Doomheim
#227 - 2014-06-29 23:51:21 UTC
I'm mining in hi-sec to feed my RVB alt. Not worth losing a Retriever and a boatload of ore in low-sec.

Abide

Bael Malefic
Doomheim
#228 - 2014-06-30 09:07:59 UTC
Jenn aSide wrote:
Bael Malefic wrote:
Jenn aSide wrote:


And wtf, a year to use a tengu proplery, someone can't use EVEMON lol.


And wtf, someone can't differentiate between a minimal skillset for a hull and mastering the skillset for that hull lol.


I've been playing 7 years on my oldest characters (I have 4 accounts now), I don't have 'mastery' of any ship and I'm doing just fine.

Are you telling me that you sit around and do nothing till you have 'mastery' of something? If so, that's crazy.

I would never suggest that null (or any other section of New Eden) is for everyone or that anyone 'needs' to do anything. I am, however, continually surprised by all the excuse making and chest thumping people do. We get it, you high sec, low sec and wormhole guys think you're better than 'gewns' and co because you press F1 AND F2 when you pvp in a video game lol. In fact, I'm sure telling some female in a night club about your prowess in a video game's low security space is sure to lead to intercourse Twisted

When a buddy asked me why I didn't live in a wormhole like he did, I said "wormholes are great because they are tough, not really my style though" and was done with. I didn't make some silly excuse about how it takes more than 12 months to fly a tengu.....


You really don't get it, but you obviously like to think you have some special insight so here goes:

Your "take a tengu to null" is neither sustainable nor scalable and is not a realistic option for most players. You have failed to disprove, or even challenge, that simple statement. "Mastery" in this context means being able to operate that ship competently and not just be fodder for the first ganker, roamer or camper you come across. Like I said, I see a lot of them get popped where I fly.

And your assumptions about what me or anyone else may or may not do outside a videogame are, well, lame. Hell, you aren't even right about your assumptions about my in-game behaviour. But carry on with the smug. You're obviously a Real Forum Warrior.
Lloyd Roses
Artificial Memories
#229 - 2014-06-30 10:05:36 UTC
Inir Ishtori wrote:
The thing that i personally miss is some kind of a base of operation, like a super stealthy hideout where you can store and refit a couple of ships(cov ops frig + blockade runner + 1 or 2 cruisers), modules, loot etc, something that makes you independent of npc stations and does not summon a fleet to poop on you like a moon tower would.


That's exactly why people live in wormholes. The money just can't compete with null or incursions, unless you're a terribly small group in a c5 or c6.

Okay, the burst income can exceed both null/incursions, for about 1h30mins <.< Unlike the other two though, risk is involved.
Pine Marten
Doomheim
#230 - 2014-06-30 10:58:54 UTC
Srsly bro, what is the point of nullsec space? Why do ppl even think "i got to go there!" The only way you make a buttload of isk is through moons and the ones that are worth it are gobbled up by alliance directorate. Nullsec has no draw. There really is no benefit to leaving highsec to go to null space. Just do incursions if your wanting to make isk. Or even FW. That at least has a purpose.

nullspace has no purpose except to afk-cloak. Really is no point anymore. It is all a chirade put on by bloc-leaders to give you the feelings, allbeit its an illusion, that you matter and what you do matters. The only people that matter are PL and the other 2 :P Everyone else is trash/renting.
Seven Koskanaiken
Shadow Legions.
SONS of BANE
#231 - 2014-06-30 11:40:40 UTC
Bael Malefic wrote:

Your "take a tengu to null" is neither sustainable nor scalable and is not a realistic option for most players. You have failed to disprove, or even challenge, that simple statement. "Mastery" in this context means being able to operate that ship competently and not just be fodder for the first ganker, roamer or camper you come across. Like I said, I see a lot of them get popped where I fly.


Watching local, using dscan, and deploying a mobile depot with 4 warp stabs in cargo is unrealistic.
Jenn aSide
Worthless Carebears
The Initiative.
#232 - 2014-06-30 12:07:53 UTC
Seven Koskanaiken wrote:
Bael Malefic wrote:

Your "take a tengu to null" is neither sustainable nor scalable and is not a realistic option for most players. You have failed to disprove, or even challenge, that simple statement. "Mastery" in this context means being able to operate that ship competently and not just be fodder for the first ganker, roamer or camper you come across. Like I said, I see a lot of them get popped where I fly.


Watching local, using dscan, and deploying a mobile depot with 4 warp stabs in cargo is unrealistic.


Exactly, thaty guys posts can be summed up in the word ::effort:: lol.

If people like that spent half as much time figuring things out as they do making excuses, this thread wouldn't exist lol.
TharOkha
0asis Group
#233 - 2014-06-30 12:11:44 UTC  |  Edited by: TharOkha
Quote:
"So what's keeping you from moving to Null Sec?"


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Jenn aSide
Worthless Carebears
The Initiative.
#234 - 2014-06-30 12:20:04 UTC
Bael Malefic wrote:


You really don't get it, but you obviously like to think you have some special insight so here goes:


So, I don't get it, yet it's you who can't figure out how to do something (like live in null sec without being in some huge alliance). Wonderful thinking here.

Quote:

Your "take a tengu to null" is neither sustainable nor scalable and is not a realistic option for most players. You have failed to disprove, or even challenge, that simple statement. "Mastery" in this context means being able to operate that ship competently and not just be fodder for the first ganker, roamer or camper you come across. Like I said, I see a lot of them get popped where I fly.


That's beyond pitiful. How is it not sustainable. Anchorable cans and wormholes (for resupplying) exist. And what scalability issues is one guy in a Tengu going to have? There is no reason why a relatively new player can't do what people are already doing. It doesn't even have to be a Tengu, Legions, Protueses (protii?) and lokis (Lokii?) can work too lol.

As for being 'fodder' for someone, yea, losing ships are a possibility. Why play a game with spaceship combat at it's core if the idea of losing the occasional ship makes you want to cry.

The big point here is still that you and people like you are full of excuses. If you don't want to go to null, don't go, but you can keep the ego saving "it's the game's fault" excuses and realize (if not admit) that the big barriers are equal measure of your lack of creative and lack of enough 'sack' to try it.

Quote:

And your assumptions about what me or anyone else may or may not do outside a videogame are, well, lame. Hell, you aren't even right about your assumptions about my in-game behaviour. But carry on with the smug. You're obviously a Real Forum Warrior.


That's an awful lot of butthurt for one thread. You might want to spread that over multiple threads next time, you could hurt yourself otherwise. Next time, try not posting nonsense and you'll never have to worry about folks like me telling you the actual truth lol.
admiral root
Red Galaxy
#235 - 2014-06-30 12:40:33 UTC
Pine Marten wrote:
Srsly bro, what is the point of nullsec space? Why do ppl even think "i got to go there!" The only way you make a buttload of isk is through moons and the ones that are worth it are gobbled up by alliance directorate. Nullsec has no draw. There really is no benefit to leaving highsec to go to null space. Just do incursions if your wanting to make isk. Or even FW. That at least has a purpose.

nullspace has no purpose except to afk-cloak. Really is no point anymore. It is all a chirade put on by bloc-leaders to give you the feelings, allbeit its an illusion, that you matter and what you do matters. The only people that matter are PL and the other 2 :P Everyone else is trash/renting.


This is a pretty ignorant post, but then it's the standard one has come to expect from NPCs.

No, your rights end in optimal+2*falloff

lost packet
Alpha Flight
#236 - 2014-06-30 12:41:40 UTC  |  Edited by: lost packet
African Angel wrote:
Taking part in the political machinations of some autistic super nerd sat in his mother's basement isn't interesting to me.


This.

I Love Boobies wrote:

I play the game for fun and relaxation, not to be told by some asswipe what to do 24/7. If I wanted that, I'd get married.


This too.
Aralyn Cormallen
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#237 - 2014-06-30 12:49:56 UTC
Pine Marten wrote:
Srsly bro, what is the point of nullsec space? Why do ppl even think "i got to go there!" The only way you make a buttload of isk is through moons and the ones that are worth it are gobbled up by alliance directorate. Nullsec has no draw. There really is no benefit to leaving highsec to go to null space. Just do incursions if your wanting to make isk. Or even FW. That at least has a purpose.


This is the one thing about this thread that keeps making me giggle. In literally any other thread, if us nullsec guys claimed highseccers can make more isk, the hordes would descend. But in this thread, its the highseccers telling us how much money we can't make compared to them Shocked
Tauranon
Weeesearch
CAStabouts
#238 - 2014-06-30 12:56:21 UTC
Seven Koskanaiken wrote:
Bael Malefic wrote:

Your "take a tengu to null" is neither sustainable nor scalable and is not a realistic option for most players. You have failed to disprove, or even challenge, that simple statement. "Mastery" in this context means being able to operate that ship competently and not just be fodder for the first ganker, roamer or camper you come across. Like I said, I see a lot of them get popped where I fly.


Watching local, using dscan, and deploying a mobile depot with 4 warp stabs in cargo is unrealistic.


It amused me too. Stuff in my system has escalated 30+ times, and all 30+ times have gone into geminate which is by and large hostile to me, and once the mobile depot got added, I didn't have to run them covops/nullfier, and it was much quicker and as a result imo safer.

I also don't know why a non-full skill tengu pilot would struggle. I have a corelum c-type rep on a proteus, and otherwise T2 fit, with the drone subs for combat, and it is a perfectly acceptable plexer, even though CCP have murdered it nerfing the Ishtar/domi. An unfinished tengu pilot is still going to have the same tank and dps as me, they are simply a stronger boat for the PVE task.

In all honesty every part of the null map except for the deep north east, and the deep south east has excellent access from NPC null if you wanted to longer term the stay from a dock and arrange to haul yourself a larger pile of ammo than you can move to a can, and there is an obvious safe method of getting a t3 to and from such a location.

Schmata Bastanold
In Boobiez We Trust
#239 - 2014-06-30 12:57:43 UTC  |  Edited by: Schmata Bastanold
Aralyn Cormallen wrote:
This is the one thing about this thread that keeps making me giggle. In literally any other thread, if us nullsec guys claimed highseccers can make more isk, the hordes would descend. But in this thread, its the highseccers telling us how much money we can't make compared to them Shocked


Only way you could prove them wrong would be to admit null is in fact safer than hisec but you can't do it because that would mean you are bigger carebears than most risk averse hisec dude and there is nothing leet about you :)

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Soldarius
Dreddit
Test Alliance Please Ignore
#240 - 2014-06-30 13:01:08 UTC
I have lived in 0.0 for 5 years. Never owned a carrier or JF. I have an alt running a POS in low-sec. Still don't own a carrier or JF. Nor a Rorqual. My only jump-capable ship is a blops. My biggest transports are an Occator and a Viator.

You do not need these things to live in nulsec. Join an alliance and I guarantee someone is going to be importing ships and fits. But they will cost more simply because it costs money to import.

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