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Eugene Kerner
TunDraGon
Goonswarm Federation
#141 - 2014-06-29 18:19:50 UTC
Alavaria Fera wrote:
Pretty interesting discussion here...

How large is the stockpile of plex currently held back from the pool by Gsf economic war divisions? Buy orders not high enough yet? (Sorry I had to introduce some conspiracy flavour to this thread)

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polly papercut
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#142 - 2014-06-29 18:26:30 UTC  |  Edited by: polly papercut
Ralph King-Griffin wrote:
I took your pole and I lied...what dose that mean for your numbers eh?

Means **** all except maybe you should get out of the house more. The result are still relevant. Even if only 50% of the information is correct. We can still safely assume there is a much larger number of canceled accounts not accounted for..

I know you people think eve is some self sustainable game. And that ccp doesn't need subscriptions to stay in business but I am here to tell you that your wrong.

Everyone here who cares about eve should care about subscription numbers. But your all to thick skulled to realize that. See your knowledge of EVE does nothing to help you with you understanding of business.

You can have 22k likes on the forum *cough. And that makes you no more qualified to assume canceled subscriptions don't have a negative impact on ccp.

We can clearly see there is an issue we know there is a decline is active users online. We know that ccp has laid off people in the hundreds. And even though you think you might know something about business because you run a corporation in eve lol. None of that applies to the real world. There is only one reason why a company lays off over 100 people. But I'm not going to tell you why, you'll have to figure that out on your own.
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#143 - 2014-06-29 18:33:18 UTC  |  Edited by: Tippia
polly papercut wrote:
Ralph King-Griffin wrote:
I took your pole and I lied...what dose that mean for your numbers eh?

Means **** all except maybe you should get out of the house more. The result are still relevant. Even if only 50% of the information is correct. We can still safely assume there is a much larger number of canceled accounts not accounted for.
…but the assumption is meaningless because we have no way of telling how much larger it is (or, indeed, if it is larger at all).

So yes, his lying on the poll means a hell of a lot, especially when your sample size is so insignificantly small. Your already huge margin of error has now increased by a lot. The purpose of “keeping a tally” is shot all to hell since it's not keeping a proper tally. So again, you're right but in the exact opposite way of what you're hoping for: the relevance of the results is indeed still the same — zero.

You can drag out as many ad hominmen or strawman fallacies you like, but they won't change how statistics, generalisation, or polling methodology works. Your poll might tell you exactly one (meaningless) thing, but what Ralph has done means that it doesn't even do that.
Arcelian
0nus
#144 - 2014-06-29 18:38:14 UTC
Tippia the way your eyes are looking up it seems you are staring at pollys rack. Just sayin.

On another note, arguing with Tippia usually means you're wrong.
Ralph King-Griffin
New Eden Tech Support
#145 - 2014-06-29 18:39:04 UTC
Or did I mwahahahahh!


(Actually I probably should get out more)

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Vaerah Vahrokha
Vahrokh Consulting
#146 - 2014-06-29 18:42:36 UTC
Arcelian wrote:
Tippia the way your eyes are looking up it seems you are staring at pollys rack. Just sayin.

On another note, arguing with Tippia usually means you're wrong.


No, it means: "you are not a professional sophist".

Being extremely skilled at winning arguments does not mean being right, it just means being extremely skilled at rethorics.

BUT in this specific case, Tippia is right on all the line, so the two concepts (winning arguments and actually being right) overlap.

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Jenn aSide
Worthless Carebears
The Initiative.
#147 - 2014-06-29 18:48:19 UTC
Arcelian wrote:


You aren't the only one with a dangerous profession, but it's NORMAL to have a job to pay for entertainment. I don't go to the movies and work the snack bar for a couple of hours so I can get a ticket.... I have a job to pay for the necessities and the extravagances (which my job also includes a uniform, and guns).


No one said it wasn't normal, but EVE Online offers an alternative (PLEX), one that's foolish to ignore if you actually like doing the activites needed to let you play for 'free'.

My point is that the 'get a job' people are foolish, if you don't have a job and are hungry, you probably shouldn't be playing a game. What I find irritating is the people saying 'just work overtime and pay for the game' OT for me is not the same as OT for the above mentioned burger flippers.

CCP doesn't owe me or anyone the option to use plex, but as log as they do I'll use the hell out of it.
Ramona McCandless
Silent Vale
LinkNet
#148 - 2014-06-29 18:58:11 UTC
Vaerah Vahrokha wrote:


Being extremely skilled at winning arguments does not mean being right, it just means being extremely skilled at rethorics.


Do you mean Rhetorics? ( The art or study of using language effectively and persuasively.)

Because that isn't what Tippia does, infact diplomacy is not one of her strong points.

Being factually accurate is, however.

"Yea, some dude came in and was normal for first couple months, so I gave him director." - Sean Dunaway

"A singular character could be hired to penetrate another corps space... using gorilla like tactics..." - Chane Morgann
Vaerah Vahrokha
Vahrokh Consulting
#149 - 2014-06-29 19:35:45 UTC  |  Edited by: Vaerah Vahrokha
Ramona McCandless wrote:
Vaerah Vahrokha wrote:


Being extremely skilled at winning arguments does not mean being right, it just means being extremely skilled at rethorics.


Do you mean Rhetorics? ( The art or study of using language effectively and persuasively.)

Because that isn't what Tippia does, infact diplomacy is not one of her strong points.

Being factually accurate is, however.



You omitted the first sentence (sophist), it might picture the methodology used better.

Also, being nice is not necessarily part of rhetoric: there are Roman Empire (if not older) examples of long talks against somebody (by Cicero, a most famous rhetorician) and those were not diplomatic at all. What they did do, was often to use the "captatio benevolentiae" but that was a means to an end and was not tied in a causation relationship with the possible harshness of the talk.

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Ramona McCandless
Silent Vale
LinkNet
#150 - 2014-06-29 19:45:26 UTC
Vaerah Vahrokha wrote:


Also, being nice is not necessarily part of rhetoric


Diplomacy is not a synonym of nice.

"Yea, some dude came in and was normal for first couple months, so I gave him director." - Sean Dunaway

"A singular character could be hired to penetrate another corps space... using gorilla like tactics..." - Chane Morgann
polly papercut
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#151 - 2014-06-29 22:22:31 UTC
Tippia wrote:
polly papercut wrote:
Ralph King-Griffin wrote:
I took your pole and I lied...what dose that mean for your numbers eh?

Means **** all except maybe you should get out of the house more. The result are still relevant. Even if only 50% of the information is correct. We can still safely assume there is a much larger number of canceled accounts not accounted for.
…but the assumption is meaningless because we have no way of telling how much larger it is (or, indeed, if it is larger at all).

So yes, his lying on the poll means a hell of a lot, especially when your sample size is so insignificantly small. Your already huge margin of error has now increased by a lot. The purpose of “keeping a tally” is shot all to hell since it's not keeping a proper tally. So again, you're right but in the exact opposite way of what you're hoping for: the relevance of the results is indeed still the same — zero.

You can drag out as many ad hominmen or strawman fallacies you like, but they won't change how statistics, generalisation, or polling methodology works. Your poll might tell you exactly one (meaningless) thing, but what Ralph has done means that it doesn't even do that.

Someone can use Google on how to debate. Cute. But you are still wrong
Vaerah Vahrokha
Vahrokh Consulting
#152 - 2014-06-29 22:38:17 UTC  |  Edited by: Vaerah Vahrokha
Ramona McCandless wrote:
Vaerah Vahrokha wrote:


Also, being nice is not necessarily part of rhetoric


Diplomacy is not a synonym of nice.


I forgot to replace all the text in my post (the first instance should not have remained written: "nice") with "diplomacy".

Diplomacy is not necessarily part of rhetoric.

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Zero Sum Gain
FREEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEDOOOOOOOOM
#153 - 2014-06-29 23:28:49 UTC
Marsha Mallow wrote:

. If you have one account you're a scrub. Sorry.


Whoa, I was totally following you on not judging or telling others how to play/live or what's what and then I got to the last line and it's this! Lol
Felicity Love
Doomheim
#154 - 2014-06-29 23:39:35 UTC
Zero Sum Gain wrote:
Marsha Mallow wrote:

. If you have one account you're a scrub. Sorry.


Whoa, I was totally following you on not judging or telling others how to play/live or what's what and then I got to the last line and it's this! Lol


0/10 for failing to disarm an obvious bait trap....

Blink

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Marsha Mallow
#155 - 2014-06-29 23:49:39 UTC  |  Edited by: Marsha Mallow
Felicity Love wrote:
Zero Sum Gain wrote:
Marsha Mallow wrote:

. If you have one account you're a scrub. Sorry.


Whoa, I was totally following you on not judging or telling others how to play/live or what's what and then I got to the last line and it's this! Lol


0/10 for failing to disarm an obvious bait trap....

Blink

Well, tbf the person I was addressing did respond by announcing his 6 accounts, after babbling on about how cheap $15 a month is for subs. Not exactly a bait trap, but it was the desired response and made me laugh P

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Sweets > U can dd my face any day
Ramona McCandless
Silent Vale
LinkNet
#156 - 2014-06-29 23:53:11 UTC
Vaerah Vahrokha wrote:


I forgot to replace all the text in my post (the first instance should not have remained written: "nice") with "diplomacy".

Diplomacy is not necessarily part of rhetoric.


As Tippia proves, as I said.

Yay, we are all winners

"Yea, some dude came in and was normal for first couple months, so I gave him director." - Sean Dunaway

"A singular character could be hired to penetrate another corps space... using gorilla like tactics..." - Chane Morgann
Hasikan Miallok
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#157 - 2014-06-30 00:04:19 UTC  |  Edited by: Hasikan Miallok
I am not sure why CCP is supposed to care if people PLEXing unsub their alts.

There is clearly a shortage of PLEX on the market (through either demand or player price manipulation and stockpiling).

Now all those alts supposedly being unsubbed are not causing more cash to be spent on PLEX they are just driving the PLEX price up. Throwing tantrums and unsubbing an alt will have no effect on CCP at all. Unsubbing enough alts may however bring PLEX prices down through reduced demand.
Zero Sum Gain
FREEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEDOOOOOOOOM
#158 - 2014-06-30 00:05:16 UTC
Felicity Love wrote:
Zero Sum Gain wrote:
Marsha Mallow wrote:

. If you have one account you're a scrub. Sorry.


Whoa, I was totally following you on not judging or telling others how to play/live or what's what and then I got to the last line and it's this! Lol


0/10 for failing to disarm an obvious bait trap....

Blink


Oh no! I activated his trap card with my post. Boy did that matter.
Remiel Pollard
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#159 - 2014-06-30 01:35:02 UTC  |  Edited by: Remiel Pollard
Plug in Baby wrote:
Remiel Pollard wrote:
Plug in Baby wrote:
Remiel Pollard wrote:
I'm one of those people that buys PLEX from CCP and sells it in-game, and manipulates the market whenever possible to keep prices high so I can make a lot of isk..


So let me get this straight, you are introducing PLEX to the game and somehow you have convinced yourself that you are increasing PLEX prices.


No, you haven't been trolled


Oh dear Roll I'm sure your method for breaking the fundamentals of economics is great, even if your posting suggests you don't quite understand high school statistics.


There's no breaking anything involved, just trading in the right way, PLEX that already exists on the market, before buying my own from CCP and selling it at a higher price. Before you question my grasp of high school anything, you might want to start demonstrating some of your own by not jumping to conclusions and making assumptions. I don't really care what you think of me, though, because it's your ignorance, emulated by many others in EVE, that keeps me rich Blink

“Some capsuleers claim that ECM is 'dishonorable' and 'unfair'. Jam those ones first, and kill them last.” - Jirai 'Fatal' Laitanen, Pithum Nullifier Training Manual c. YC104
Remiel Pollard
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#160 - 2014-06-30 01:37:55 UTC
polly papercut wrote:
Tippia wrote:
polly papercut wrote:
Ralph King-Griffin wrote:
I took your pole and I lied...what dose that mean for your numbers eh?

Means **** all except maybe you should get out of the house more. The result are still relevant. Even if only 50% of the information is correct. We can still safely assume there is a much larger number of canceled accounts not accounted for.
…but the assumption is meaningless because we have no way of telling how much larger it is (or, indeed, if it is larger at all).

So yes, his lying on the poll means a hell of a lot, especially when your sample size is so insignificantly small. Your already huge margin of error has now increased by a lot. The purpose of “keeping a tally” is shot all to hell since it's not keeping a proper tally. So again, you're right but in the exact opposite way of what you're hoping for: the relevance of the results is indeed still the same — zero.

You can drag out as many ad hominmen or strawman fallacies you like, but they won't change how statistics, generalisation, or polling methodology works. Your poll might tell you exactly one (meaningless) thing, but what Ralph has done means that it doesn't even do that.

Someone can use Google on how to debate. Cute. But you are still wrong


They're not debating, they're telling. Telling you that your poll is crap. They're right.

“Some capsuleers claim that ECM is 'dishonorable' and 'unfair'. Jam those ones first, and kill them last.” - Jirai 'Fatal' Laitanen, Pithum Nullifier Training Manual c. YC104