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Jenn aSide
Worthless Carebears
The Initiative.
#121 - 2014-06-29 23:55:40 UTC  |  Edited by: Jenn aSide
LUMINOUS SPIRIT wrote:
Jenn aSide wrote:
LUMINOUS SPIRIT wrote:
Falin Whalen wrote:
LUMINOUS SPIRIT wrote:
im pretty close to the limit of how quick a ship can be warped to.

No you're not, especially in nullsec.


Yes I am.

2 seconds to load system.

1 to drop probes.

4 to scan

2 to decide to take or not to take, right click and fleet warp tackle

2 to enter warp

X to traverse the space

2 to decelerate, load grid

2 to get up to speed, lock up target, scram

thats 13 + X.


Man, that is soooo much fast than "enter system with 3 guys, 1 guy each warps to a forsaken hub"!!!

And 'fleet warp tackle"? So you are entering system with multiple ships and can't understand why a local spike would make even the most unattentive pilot wake up lol.

If you spent half as much time trying to figure out why you're doing it wrong and you spend defending doing it wrong, you wouldn't be posting, you'd be killing.


Your 1 kill speaks volumes of experience.


Jenn Is a PvE character, that 1 kill was entirley by mistake lol. You're off by about 4,421 killmails http://eve.battleclinic.com/killboard/combat_record.php?type=player&name=Cassius+Rex
Arcelian
0nus
#122 - 2014-06-29 23:56:14 UTC
Erica Dusette wrote:
Arcelian wrote:
You are so black and white tippia,

I think Tippia has a lovely olive complexion.Oops


Yes, tippias complexion is very nice. Also, more fun to talk to him than the retardedness of the general population. Tippia is the anti ******. But so anti that it gets annoying at times.
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#123 - 2014-06-29 23:57:26 UTC  |  Edited by: Tippia
Arcelian wrote:
You are so black and white tippia, it's either 100% wrong or right to you. Just because the actions of a bot COULD be taken as a human, you dismiss them entirely.
If they're being presented as proof that the person is a bot, you bet I do, because the evidence does not support the assertion.

It's really really simple:

• A can be done by a human or a bot.
• You observe A.
• You conclude that it's a bot.
• The rest of us say “uhm… no, that does not follow”.

You then become upset that people don't accept your assertion based on the completely ambiguous “evidence” A and start to invent all kinds of nonsensical motivations for their not agreeing with you, when the simple explanation is that your reasoning is fallacious (if you want to be really formal, it's a converse error).
Quote:
Actually, I did petition it. The player I thought was a bot, that character was sold with a nice "Character Under New Management" banner in their bio. Probably a bot? Yea. Not to you though, because I can't be 100% sure.
Incorrect. Again, your reliance on fallacies is what throws you off the track.
Jenn aSide
Worthless Carebears
The Initiative.
#124 - 2014-06-29 23:58:35 UTC
LUMINOUS SPIRIT wrote:
Erica Dusette wrote:
Arcelian wrote:
You are so black and white tippia,

I think Tippia has a lovely olive complexion. Oops

Arcelian wrote:
That goes both ways, you know.

Hmm. Stop it.

LUMINOUS SPIRIT wrote:
you want to warp directly to an anom in a ceptor, thats fine, but thats not my method. my post is specificaly about my method - combat probes.

Well there's your problem right there.

Even without combat probes you'll be fighting up-hill to warp to a site of anykind before your prey runs. A bit of luck, a little skill and hope that your prey isn't paying attention to local. But with combat probes .... What? The odds are seriously stacked against you getting the jump on anything but an afk pilot lol


waht ratters do these days is burn away from warp-ins, so warping to zero into an anom is almost pointless. combat probes get you location directly, without disappointment of seeing that ishtar actually 200km away.


So your problem is people flying smart and not giving you easy kills, therefore CCP must deliver you easy kills.

Why stop there, just ask CCP to play the whole game for you. All or nothing mate.
Caleb Seremshur
Bloodhorn
Patchwork Freelancers
#125 - 2014-06-29 23:58:38 UTC
Tippia wrote:
LUMINOUS SPIRIT wrote:
Virtually none of the ratting ships are manned by humans anymore, its all automatic programming - local has a neut - warp to pos.
Because, obviously, no human would warp to a POS when neuts show up in local… Roll


I think the point is that maybe more rats should scram or point. It's not a matter of how good your reactions are its a matter of npcs designed around a game we don't play any more. The EVE of 2005 no longer exists.
Adira Nictor
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#126 - 2014-06-30 00:00:09 UTC
LUMINOUS SPIRIT wrote:
Mallak Azaria wrote:
LUMINOUS SPIRIT wrote:
Mallak Azaria wrote:
I tend to rat while orbiting something with my 100mn afterburner running because Ishtar, but once a neutral gets within 2 systems I align & prepare to pull drones. Once you actually land in system I have enough time to let my drones return before hitting warp. Your real issue seems to be with people utilising the power of friend making & somehow this is unfair.

Clearly peoples ability to converse with one another & work together based on common interests needs to be nerfed somehow.


your real issue seems to be reading the part where i say i drop out of fresh wormholes on top of you, with no prior intel warning.


Even then your average ratter still has enough time to get out before you arrive, but by all means continue accusing everyone of being a bot because you consistently get outplayed.


not me who is being outplayed. im pretty close to the limit of how quick a ship can be warped to. game does not allow me to do it any faster. maybe i can shave a second or 2 here and there, but it is what it is. with combat probes, you cant do it in less then 15 seconds. maybe a bit quicker with D-scan if you know in advance where to point your ceptor, but there the risk is you land 100km away.

its simply too safe for the ratter. all because of local.



You know there are people who rat in wh's with no local at all, and even they seem to manage to get to warp before the hunter enters the anom.

I suppose those guys are bots too, because ya know, you cant spam d-scan as a player. You also can't keep an eye out for new sigs in a solar system to avoid wh's dropping on your head.

You act like this is some kind of magic, I always rat aligned, because as a sensible person I know that my ship setup for pve wont stand a chance against your ship setup for pvp.

Just because some people are sheep to be harvested doesn't mean they all are, and as long as there are people watching for someone to show up, it doesn't matter how good you are you will never catch them.
Falin Whalen
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#127 - 2014-06-30 00:00:47 UTC
LUMINOUS SPIRIT wrote:
Falin Whalen wrote:
LUMINOUS SPIRIT wrote:
im pretty close to the limit of how quick a ship can be warped to.

No you're not, especially in nullsec.


you want to warp directly to an anom in a ceptor, thats fine, but thats not my method. my post is specificaly about my method - combat probes. your cloud of ceptors is not solo - and when you have 50 ceptors, yes you can afford to spread them out to every anom without care or skill.


  1. I never said anything about interceptors.
  2. I never said anything about NOT being solo.
  3. You are the one bringing up ceptors and the 'ceptor' blob.
  4. You're doing it wrong.

This is all you, trying to rationalize your failings, as a "hunter."

"It must be bots! CCP please do ____, because I don't have any evidence that it is bots, so it must be bots" isn't wining you any fans. Don't get bent out of shape because we are telling you that you're doing it wrong.

"it's only because of their stupidity that they're able to be so sure of themselves." The Trial - Franz Kafka 
Jenn aSide
Worthless Carebears
The Initiative.
#128 - 2014-06-30 00:00:52 UTC
Caleb Seremshur wrote:
Tippia wrote:
LUMINOUS SPIRIT wrote:
Virtually none of the ratting ships are manned by humans anymore, its all automatic programming - local has a neut - warp to pos.
Because, obviously, no human would warp to a POS when neuts show up in local… Roll


I think the point is that maybe more rats should scram or point. It's not a matter of how good your reactions are its a matter of npcs designed around a game we don't play any more. The EVE of 2005 no longer exists.


Micro jumpdrives don't care about scramming rats.
Erica Dusette
Division 13
#129 - 2014-06-30 00:02:51 UTC
Arcelian wrote:
Erica Dusette wrote:
Arcelian wrote:
You are so black and white tippia,

I think Tippia has a lovely olive complexion.Oops


Yes, tippias complexion is very nice. Also, more fun to talk to him than the retardedness of the general population. Tippia is the anti ******. But so anti that it gets annoying at times.

I'd love for Tippia to annoy me.

In person. At a station. While sharing a caramel synth-latte as I hold her gaze longingly through the steam as it rises from my mug.

/sigh

LUMINOUS SPIRIT wrote:
waht ratters do these days is burn away from warp-ins, so warping to zero into an anom is almost pointless. combat probes get you location directly, without disappointment of seeing that ishtar actually 200km away.

Not all of them!

But sure, combat probing will solve that for you. However the trade off is you're also twice as visible, and if they're smart enough to sit 200k off site then they're probably smart enough to a) Be passively aligned to station/POS and b) keeping a sharp eye on local and Dscan.

But why are you even complaining? Isn't this why we live in wormholes to begin with? ******* local X

Jack Miton > you be nice or you're sleeping on the couch again!

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Erica Dusette
Division 13
#130 - 2014-06-30 00:04:36 UTC
Falin Whalen wrote:

  1. I never said anything about interceptors.
  2. I never said anything about NOT being solo.
  3. You are the one bringing up ceptors and the 'ceptor' blob.
  4. You're doing it wrong.

This is all you, trying to rationalize your failings, as a "hunter."

Actually that was me that brought up the whole interceptor swarm thing.

Jack Miton > you be nice or you're sleeping on the couch again!

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Arcelian
0nus
#131 - 2014-06-30 00:06:38 UTC
Tippia wrote:
Arcelian wrote:
You are so black and white tippia, it's either 100% wrong or right to you. Just because the actions of a bot COULD be taken as a human, you dismiss them entirely.
If they're being presented as proof that the person is a bot, you bet I do, because the evidence does not support the assertion.

It's really really simple:

• A can be done by a human or a bot.
• You observe A.
• You conclude that it's a bot.
• The rest of us say “uhm… no, that does not follow”.

You then become upset that people don't accept your assertion based on the completely ambiguous “evidence” A and start to invent all kinds of nonsensical motivations for their not agreeing with you, when the simple explanation is that your reasoning is fallacious (if you want to be really formal, it's a converse error).
Quote:
Actually, I did petition it. The player I thought was a bot, that character was sold with a nice "Character Under New Management" banner in their bio. Probably a bot? Yea. Not to you though, because I can't be 100% sure.
Incorrect. Again, your reliance on fallacies is what throws you off the track.


The problem is it's impossible to determine whether it's a bot or not, beyond all doubt.. Call it a fallacy or not, there is guess work involved. Anything a bot performs, can be performed by a human. How wrong of me to present a logical fallacy. Data you will never be human.

So.... yeah. I suppose CCP was all wrong when they banned those bots (allegedly), it could have just been inattentiveness. According to your philosophy, no bots would be banned. Ever.
Giuseppe R Raimondo
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#132 - 2014-06-30 00:09:12 UTC
lol tears about nullbears being clever and blaim bots.
LUMINOUS SPIRIT
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#133 - 2014-06-30 00:14:59 UTC
Arcelian wrote:
Tippia wrote:
Arcelian wrote:
You are so black and white tippia, it's either 100% wrong or right to you. Just because the actions of a bot COULD be taken as a human, you dismiss them entirely.
If they're being presented as proof that the person is a bot, you bet I do, because the evidence does not support the assertion.

It's really really simple:

• A can be done by a human or a bot.
• You observe A.
• You conclude that it's a bot.
• The rest of us say “uhm… no, that does not follow”.

You then become upset that people don't accept your assertion based on the completely ambiguous “evidence” A and start to invent all kinds of nonsensical motivations for their not agreeing with you, when the simple explanation is that your reasoning is fallacious (if you want to be really formal, it's a converse error).
Quote:
Actually, I did petition it. The player I thought was a bot, that character was sold with a nice "Character Under New Management" banner in their bio. Probably a bot? Yea. Not to you though, because I can't be 100% sure.
Incorrect. Again, your reliance on fallacies is what throws you off the track.


The problem is it's impossible to determine whether it's a bot or not, beyond all doubt.. Call it a fallacy or not, there is guess work involved. Anything a bot performs, can be performed by a human. How wrong of me to present a logical fallacy. Data you will never be human.

So.... yeah. I suppose CCP was all wrong when they banned those bots (allegedly), it could have just been inattentiveness. According to your philosophy, no bots would be banned. Ever.


dont argue. just block. its like jita, block 10-15 known trolls/scammers, and it becomes more or less clear for a while.
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#134 - 2014-06-30 00:15:03 UTC
Arcelian wrote:
The problem is it's impossible to determine whether it's a bot or not, beyond all doubt.. Call it a fallacy or not, there is guess work involved.
But it's not a matter of “beyond all doubt” — it's a matter of introducing any doubt at all. If all you initially offer is something that humans can (and will) habitually do, there is no reason to even begin to suspect that they're bots.

Calling characters bots because they do something that human players do makes no sense. The reason you were berated in that thread (and the OP in this one) is because you did exactly that.

B → A
H → A
A ∴ … what?
Neither B nor H is a valid conclusion.

Quote:
So.... yeah. I suppose CCP was all wrong when they banned those bots (allegedly), it could have just been inattentiveness. According to your philosophy, no bots would be banned. Ever.
Incorrect. That's just some nonsensical strawman you've made up because you think in terms of black and white (and then attribute that thinking to me).
Arcelian
0nus
#135 - 2014-06-30 00:21:00 UTC
Tippia wrote:
Arcelian wrote:
The problem is it's impossible to determine whether it's a bot or not, beyond all doubt.. Call it a fallacy or not, there is guess work involved.
But it's not a matter of “beyond all doubt” — it's a matter of introducing any doubt at all. If all you initially offer is something that humans can (and will) habitually do, there is no reason to even begin to suspect that they're bots.

Calling characters bots because they do something that human players do makes no sense. The reason you were berated in that thread (and the OP in this one) is because you did exactly that.

B → A
H → A
A ∴ … what?
Neither B nor H is a valid conclusion.

Quote:
So.... yeah. I suppose CCP was all wrong when they banned those bots (allegedly), it could have just been inattentiveness. According to your philosophy, no bots would be banned. Ever.
Incorrect. That's just some nonsensical strawman you've made up because you think in terms of black and white (and then attribute that thinking to me).



How is that a straw man in any way? Anything a bot can do , a human can do, therefore you can not attribute any specific action to a bot. That is what you are saying. Please enlighten me.

Any doubt at all, is relative, no matter how much you try to deny it. A miner that never responds to convos, ignores me stealing their ore, is doubt to me, but may not be to you, because they did not eve mail me a confession of their botting tendencies.
Candi LeMew
Division 13
#136 - 2014-06-30 00:22:01 UTC
Arcelian wrote:
So.... yeah. I suppose CCP was all wrong when they banned those bots (allegedly), it could have just been inattentiveness. According to your philosophy, no bots would be banned. Ever.

Pretty sure the major difference there is that CCP have tools to determine such things when all we players have is Speculation Software v1.0. And the point is if you suspect a bot then report it and they'll investigate it.

LUMINOUS SPIRIT wrote:
dont argue. just block. its like jita, block 10-15 known trolls/scammers, and it becomes more or less clear for a while.

After reading this thread I'm much more inclined to block you. You're shaming wormholers and your upset over this is cringe-worthy lol

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James Amril-Kesh
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#137 - 2014-06-30 00:26:02 UTC
LUMINOUS SPIRIT wrote:
Saisin wrote:
I am observing the same as the OP.
I also support a delayed local apparition, as well as a delayed k162 in both w-space amd null sec.

I am not spending the 4 or 5 sec required to pinpoint a target, coming out of a K162 that has just been spawned, I mainly do a d-scan and warp to a anomaly in range or not in range according to d-scan.. This saves these precious 4 to 7 seconds, but still with that I very rarely catch anything.

I would not go as far as the OP and say that all are bots, I believe they are not, they are just aligned to,POS and ready to warp out.

Fundamentally, solo hunting in null sec is kind of pointless at the moment. It is better in w-space though...

Null sec carebears have it too easy., but that is what CCP wants.


THIS.

Hahahahaha

Could you be any more obvious? Your targets have only about 15 seconds maximum to see you in local before you land on them, and yet you still want delayed local?

Why not just give you warpable hits instantly and a cloak that prevents you from showing up in local at all? It'll accomplish the same thing.

Enjoying the rain today? ;)
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#138 - 2014-06-30 00:27:00 UTC
Arcelian wrote:
How is that a straw man in any way?
It's a strawman because it's something you've invented and attributed to me rather than something I've actually said.

Quote:
Anything a bot can do , a human can do, therefore you can not attribute any specific action to a bot.
There are plenty of things bots do that players can't (or won't) — things that CCP tracks. Warping out when people appear in local and ignoring people who very obviously try to gain aggression towards you are not among them. In fact, both are very common suggestions to people who run afoul of hunters and can-flippers.

Quote:
Any doubt at all, is relative, no matter how much you try to deny it.
No, it really isn't. The logic is right there and if you want to find fault with it then please do so. Again:

B → A
H → A
A ∴ … what?

What you're describing isn't doubt — it's prejudice.
Mallak Azaria
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#139 - 2014-06-30 00:34:42 UTC
LUMINOUS SPIRIT wrote:
dont argue. just block. its like jita, block 10-15 known trolls/scammers, and it becomes more or less clear for a while.


Lets use Gevlon as an example here: Blocking everyone that disagrees with you doesn't make you correct, it makes you even more hilariously wrong.

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James Amril-Kesh
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#140 - 2014-06-30 00:35:24 UTC
LUMINOUS SPIRIT wrote:
screw it, welcome to my block list.

You forgot the "LALALALALALA I CAN'T HEAR YOU LALALALALALA"
You know, for effect.

Enjoying the rain today? ;)