Player Features and Ideas Discussion

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The really should DIAF...!

I find it difficult to feel empathy for people playing a game, when these people turn around and object to the very elements used for play.

When people object to being expected to interact with others, due to expectations they might not win... were they aware playing a game meant someone had to win and lose?

It doesn't matter if it is a compared score being different, or one side removed from the field by combat, we are playing FOR this interaction, being so coldly dismissed.

Sure it sets off an alarm to see a neutral, but if the neutral just immediately buzzes through the locals are just as quick to get back to business as usual.

I'm the neutral, so I know exactly how they act, I watch it all the time.

Yesterday I was poking around doing some exploration and I came upon a ratter and his alt in NA. I wasn't exactly fit to harass a Thanatos and an Archon, but there were several signatures in this rather nice system so instead of heading for the next gate I hung around to see what they would do.

He was the exception to the rule. He didn't run away. He logged on a second alt, cleaned out the ESS, changed ships, and called in support, mostly in the form of his landlord. This usually doesn't happen. I've had the locals get antsy a total of 4 times out of the dozens of times I've flown in on various alliances doing things. They usually just head to the POS or station, sit around until my name drops out of local, poke their head in the next system to watch me leave there if there was someone who knows how to use D-scan checking the gates, and then immediately go back to business. Sometimes the ratters don't even bother to leave the anomaly. If there are names in local I typically bounce off of a celestial or something before going to the next gate to try and judge if someone hasn't set up some really clever trap I've never run into before. Several times I've D-scanned them down in an anomaly and wondered to myself "I wonder how long I can watch them before they get nervous and leave." to have 2 minutes or more pass with them still sitting in the anomaly. This is typically not so interesting that I feel a burning desire to sit there any longer and who knows, they may be playing bait with their own cyno while getting some ratting done, I'll give them the benefit of the doubt most of the time.

The point is I spend a lot of time just flying through null, and every time I make a trip I come across groups of the locals, and I typically pass them both coming and going. They hardly ever change their routine for more than a couple minutes after I pass through the first time, because I'll see them right back at it when I come back 5 minutes later.

The renters in NA space? Their brilliant idea for confronting a neutral in local was to put a bait maller at the sun and a bait Tengu on the gate. I loaded up some combat probes and scanned all of the sites down while they watched D-scan in confusion, bookmarked them, and then used the C3 wormhole connection that was in there to go to high sec to unload my cargo. By the time I came back they had not only left, but logged off. I had the entire section of about half a dozen systems to myself.

Credit goes to RAZOR, that French corp in NA space east of Nulli Secunda and one of the smaller corps out in Syndicate. They actually actively hunt me and chase me out when I show up. Everybody else just waits for me to leave or throws out a token Maller to see if I get scared or if I bite.

Please merge this thread w/ the "when hell freezes over" thread.

This idea boils down to: allow for wormhole-style intel gathering in k-space.

With the same limitations that w-space has (on both the spy and the spied-upon).

But WITHOUT allowing for wormhole-style PVP in k-space.


It's so sad how many people seem to be scared silly of this.

It means so many people's gameplay is actually based on NOT INTERACTING with anyone else.


Pretty sad, in a MMO!

The whining happens no matter what. Nature of MMO's in general that someone will always find something to complain about.

The wall is exactly the wrong shade of green, etc etc.

Increasing opportunities to play, especially where it can be demonstrated that play is limited to near perverse avoidance and stalemates... That deserves consideration.

This idea doesn't hand either side free kills, or other forms of advantage. It DOES foster more levels of interaction, reducing the chances of stalemates or other play stopping results.
They simply become less likely to occur, when more chances for them to be avoided exist.

A lesson in philosophy.

It's sad but true, we base our decisions not on what is good or bad, right or wrong, or even fact vs fiction.

We base these decisions based purely on perception, and as life has taught me, the first misperception we experience is often the delusion that we are being objective.

People play fill-in-the-blanks with areas, using assumptions or copies of their own views. This is one of the reasons we see humorous gift giving, where the person getting the gift is actually getting something that the gift giver would like to have.
The gift giver makes the obvious assumption that everyone wants the same things they do.

Many PvE players, (and no, I am not making a blanket statement here, I said MANY), have never played seriously the side of the game they suggest handicapping, so they can expect to have their own game 'improved'.

I would expect the reverse is also true, in the same way. Both sides making gross assumptions about the other.

Like some strange religion, they repeat catch phrases and slogans, as if by being typed repeatedly they gained some truth.
But it still amounts to bad information, no matter how many people share the belief.

You cannot expect an idea to be pushed in one direction, unless you also accept that players adapt.
In order to leverage the idea in the first place, they HAD to adapt their own play around the idea itself.
Assuming other players will not adapt and compensate for this, balancing the effect, is the same as calling them incompetent.

Remember, not everyone thinks or plays the same way you do.
The really creative ones are copied, and pioneer change by adapting before the rest.

Think outside the box, or it will become your prison.

I think spies work far better.

You make such an effort sound like a repulsive thing to be avoided.
Even if your conclusion was true, how would this be a bad thing?

This has more in common with a probe, given the context involved.

I can accept that it may not have scanning abilities equal to a piloted vessel, but neither is it so blind as to rely purely on seeing things on grid with itself. It being unable to launch actual probes is a huge disadvantage alone.

Like a probe, it should have some form of scanning ability, and the D-scan has never been taken off the table here.

Gully Alex Foyle suggested previously that this could possibly be similar to a pod, uncloaked but agile.
That is a viable option to consider as well, I believe.

This is reaching a bit far, in my opinion.

As changes go, adding in a means for players to spy on each other, which is NOT also tied directly to direct attack means, let alone cyno usage... is simply not the devastating change which drives players out.

Oh no, the cloaky camper fellow is no longer here, but he MIGHT have a ROV watching us.
Newsflash: unless that probe suddenly sprouts a cyno generator, or at least guns that can shoot me, I do not care.
I certainly have no intention of running away from my ISK generating PvE, because another player knows I am online in this system.

Having checked the map as an option, this was information they could already have.



No, I said it would keep d-scan. It simply could not launch probes of it's own like a piloted ship.