Player Features and Ideas Discussion

This would be either an adaptation of an existing ship, or a new frigate class.


The keypoints:
Zero cargo space
No Pod
No Cyno generator
Stealth capability

These ships would effectively be scouts, allowing players who are either docked or confidant of their safety to ignore their immediate surroundings in exchange for remote viewing capabilities.

They could be launched from a carrier, but the player taking control of the ship MUST be directly present with the ship to assume command of it.
(Use of a POS or Outpost would obviously be the preferred option, giving sov holders an edge with this detail)

The vessel of the controlling pilot, if not in an outpost, can have NO active modules on their actual ship, meaning they cannot be cloaked themselves.

These ROVs could warp cloaked, like a covert ops.
These ROVs can gate jump, or use a cyno bridge to reach a target area.
CLARIFYING: They cannot jump directly, this would be by either covert or titan bridging.
These ROVs have no pilot present at their location, so they can neither see local, nor be seen in local. That remains tied to the pilot's actual location for local chat.

Stealth limitation:
While not visible on grid directly, (they are still cloaked), because of it's persistent data transfer to the controlling pilot, it CAN be found with sensors and probing as if it were not cloaked.

It could even have a telltale that could be used to identify the operating pilot, if the sensor user made the effort.

Not trolling.

A small scout ship, incapable of lighting a cyno or carrying ANY cargo.
Not visible in local, nor can it see local to know who is present if they are docked or cloaked.
(The pilot IS visible in whichever system they actually are present in)

As to whether they can fight, even in a highly limited capacity, is a balance issue. Possibly only by trading their stealth capacity for a gun or launcher.

The intel possible for this ship to get, can be easily tweaked by those expecting it, to be very misleading.
Fortune favors the prepared mind.

I can't even respond to this....

This breaks so many things on so many levels, and you might as well remove cloaks and the corresponding ships altogether...

If you didn't call this a suggestion, it would be considered a hack or cheat in any other context. I've used this hack/cheat in other games even.

Nice how you avoided actually specifying a single item.
I am not convinced you completely understand the concept, and are not simply filling in blanks with assumptions.

Let's see:
It can only see uncloaked ships, which are in space.
It has no weapon system.
To be clear, because the pilot is not present, you can't even warp to them directly. I am sure you could figure out a work-a-round, but it would take some degree of effort. Probably by decloaking and letting your ally scan you down.
It cannot dock in an outpost to check who is there, assuming that the controlling pilot's standing would permit this. (The ROV would go uncontrolled, and placed in the hangar of the owner. The owner NEEDS to be present directly in order to start control over it, which includes such things as launching)

Most cloaked ships in the game now, in many systems, are simply falling back on relaying presence seen in local chat. They are using a cloaked ship because they know they are also listed, and avoid risking being scanned down this way.

This ship operates on a different level than typical intel gathering, as it operates mutually exclusive to the normal local using intel gatherer.

By being in this separated window of potential, it also avoids overlapping intel results.
Certainly far more effort driven, considering how it lacks the most frequently used intel system in EVE.

I could repeat myself, but I think I just ask one more thing.

Is this a sneak *fix local*, *cloaked camping'* thing ? I mean that in the end when we take down your suggestion you just say: See, its the same as no local and cloaked camping and you are all against it .... ?!

Cause this is the same rubbish (and normally all your other posts are sound), so I really don't get this one.

Like Bohneik said, I see only more exploits and no new game content, rather lost content.

Actually no, it's not directed at local that way.

It is more of an ironic coincidence that local makes it appear OP, as this is nothing more than an extrapolation of existing real world tech.

Per my above post, as a handicap:
Because of it's persistent data transfer to the controlling pilot, it CAN be found with sensors and probing as if it were not cloaked.

It could even have a telltale that could be used to identify the operating pilot, if the sensor user made the effort.

Doesn't matter if you can see local while using it, you saw local when you flew through the system 30 seconds earlier. You know exactly how many people are there and got a general idea of which celestials, anomalies or signatures they were located at and what they were flying while you were flying from gate to gate. The only thing that is left is for you to finish your scouting from the safety of your bookmarks in the empty system next door.

It doesn't matter if it can be probed down, you have to know it's there in order to launch probes to look for it.

As if AFK cloaky camper threads weren't bad enough, there'd be 10 threads a day about this crap.

Yes it's an extension of real world tech but real world tech doesn't translate to video game mechanics well, when you're referring to a world of internet spaceships flown by clones with CC'd brains. There's a lot of real world tech that we could extrapolate into Eve to give us some frickin' awesome ****. That awesome **** would also break the game utterly, making it either far too easy to kill or far too easy to hide from the people trying to kill you.

Projectile and hybrid weapons would be beyond OP. Having half a dozen guns firing frontal mass loaded AP slugs out of a frictionless barrel that doesn't need rifling with advanced accelerants into space where there is no atmosphere to decelerate or create issues with the slug's geometry in combination with the ship's added velocity of several hundred meters a second and perfect tracking thanks to advanced AI scripting would cause the volatile depressurization of every target on the first volley. A pulse laser could be used to ignite the armor surface of a ship in rapid succession leading to an explosion approaching the scale of a small hydrogen bomb. Adaptive shield tracking scripts could focus the shield to an infinite point of intensity tens of thousands of times a second, creating a perfect defense to any weapon whose point of impact can be predicted by muzzle trajectory. Ships would continue to accelerate indefinitely, welcome to the 100km/s Rifter bump.

And you honestly think it would be implemented that way? Assuming it were, it wouldn't make a difference with how many players own alts on separate accounts.

There is a discussion going on about having a camera accessible to look outside a station when docked. And the community is even divided about that. - You also wanna make it fly around, not show in local etc.... If you can't see the repercussions of what you are suggesting, then I don't really know what to say that hasn't been said yet, or is worth it.

On another note, don't the CCP camera ships kind of do the same ? I mean, if you want a filmmakers option only, say so. But even that can be exploited far more then any other intel source at hand.

With that I am out of this discussion, don't see any point.

So you're saying it's broken because the miners in my example were so lazy they didn't even put a cloaky covops on the other side of the gate that the neutral jumped out of a few minutes ago?

To be clear, I'm not trolling in any way, I really do not understand.

Surely because I live in lowsec, where anybody that puts a tiny bit of effort has perfect intel on everybody else. For some strange reason, this results in more PVP, not less.