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sick and tired of null bots

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LUMINOUS SPIRIT
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#1 - 2014-06-29 20:35:41 UTC  |  Edited by: LUMINOUS SPIRIT
I jump into system, have a warpable hit on a scorp navy issue in 4.6 seconds. Land on him in another 5-7 seconds, and he is gone.

Jump into a system, have a hit on a noctis in 5 seconds. Land in another 8, he is gone.

Jump into system, have a hit on an ishtar in 5 seconds. Land in 8-9 seconds, he is gone.

Jump into a system, get a hit on machariel in 4 seconds; land in 5-6 seconds, he is off the field.

in all cases they all warp to a renter pos.

I encounter this dozens of times every day. I have been doing my hunting for years; it is getting worse and worse. Virtually none of the ratting ships are manned by humans anymore, its all automatic programming - local has a neut - warp to pos.

I have a max skilled high-grade implanted prober alt; my tackle has warp speed mods to the hilt - and STILL the ships get away more often then not.

CCP, do something about the damn botting in null pockets. If you cant do that, introduce at least a 5 second delay to local. 5 seconds, thats not too much to ask is it??

EDIT - what is the point of combat probes if the hunter using them does not stand a chance of success? EVE is all about reasonable chance; a ratter should have a reasonable chance to escape; a hunter should have a reasonable chance to catch prey. As it is, the balance is tipped too heavily towards the ratter.
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#2 - 2014-06-29 20:39:33 UTC
LUMINOUS SPIRIT wrote:
Virtually none of the ratting ships are manned by humans anymore, its all automatic programming - local has a neut - warp to pos.
Because, obviously, no human would warp to a POS when neuts show up in local… Roll
LUMINOUS SPIRIT
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#3 - 2014-06-29 20:40:45 UTC
Tippia wrote:
LUMINOUS SPIRIT wrote:
Virtually none of the ratting ships are manned by humans anymore, its all automatic programming - local has a neut - warp to pos.
Because, obviously, no human would warp to a POS when neuts show up in local… Roll


not that quickly and not that consistently across multiple regions with no prior warning, no.
Ralph King-Griffin
New Eden Tech Support
#4 - 2014-06-29 20:42:25 UTC
Then maby you need to get better at probing.

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Gallowmere Rorschach
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#5 - 2014-06-29 20:43:21 UTC
Tippia wrote:
LUMINOUS SPIRIT wrote:
Virtually none of the ratting ships are manned by humans anymore, its all automatic programming - local has a neut - warp to pos.
Because, obviously, no human would warp to a POS when neuts show up in local… Roll


Yeeeah, that's kinda what I was gonna reply with. Hell, just going by the number given in the OP, if a ratter isn't in warp 10-15 seconds after a neut enters local (especially one who's been hunting for years, and probably has a bit of a rep), they deserve to get Darwined. One of the first things I learned about ratting in null was fighting aligned, as often as possible.
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#6 - 2014-06-29 20:43:59 UTC  |  Edited by: Tippia
LUMINOUS SPIRIT wrote:
not that quickly and not that consistently across multiple regions with no prior warning, no.

And you know they had no prior warning… how? Especially if you kick up a fuss across multiple systems and regions.

Oh, and why can't they warp to a POS as quickly? It's not like it's rocket science to do so.
LUMINOUS SPIRIT
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#7 - 2014-06-29 20:45:42 UTC
Ralph King-Griffin wrote:
Then maby you need to get better at probing.


if i need advice on awoxing, podding dudes in jita and putting up cynos in low sec, i will ask you.
Tarsas Phage
Sniggerdly
#8 - 2014-06-29 20:48:24 UTC  |  Edited by: Tarsas Phage
LUMINOUS SPIRIT wrote:

I have a max skilled high-grade implanted prober alt; my tackle has warp speed mods to the hilt - and STILL the ships get away more often then not.

CCP, do something about the damn botting in null pockets. If you cant do that, introduce at least a 5 second delay to local. 5 seconds, thats not too much to ask is it??


Doing all the things you mentioned while aligned isn't tough. Hell, even a Machariel pilot who is paying attention with his bookmarks window open can get into warp to a POS the moment he sees you sliding onto grid, let alone enter local - and there is a good 2-3 seconds of you appearing in local before you, yourself, even load grid after jumping in.

Presuming that all these cases are bots without any evidence beyond "they always get away", while indeed annoying, isn't sufficient enough for a blanket assertion. Maybe null renters are just getting smarter? There are certainly still plenty of dumb ones out there.

Yeah, bots are ****, and it's been a continuous cat and mouse game between CCP and bot coders over the years, with no way for us regular players to measure their anti-botting success outside of the occasional devblog on the subject; but I really do think that most renters know their place these days and high-tail it once the probes appear on scan.
LUMINOUS SPIRIT
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#9 - 2014-06-29 20:48:58 UTC
Tippia wrote:
LUMINOUS SPIRIT wrote:
not that quickly and not that consistently across multiple regions with no prior warning, no.

And you know they had no prior warning… how? Especially if you kick up a fuss across multiple systems and regions.

Oh, and why can't they warp to a POS as quickly? It's not like it's rocket science to do so.


i drop from wormholes or bridge from systems with no eyes posted to them.

tippia you obviously havent been prowling null for as long as I have; trust me when i say there is a problem with bots running rampant.
Eugene Kerner
TunDraGon
Goonswarm Federation
#10 - 2014-06-29 20:50:42 UTC
It is called itel channel.
Renter have those...
Lived in 0.0 before low sec....we knew ages before when something was coming. So if ratting you stay aligned and warp if needed. That simple.

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Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#11 - 2014-06-29 20:52:33 UTC
LUMINOUS SPIRIT wrote:
i drop from wormholes or bridge from systems with no eyes posted to them.
That still leaves plenty of time and ability to have prior warning.

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trust me when i say there is a problem with bots running rampant.
Only if you can come up with something that demonstrates that you're dealing with bots, rather than point to stuff that humans can do very easily.
Victoria Sin
Doomheim
#12 - 2014-06-29 20:53:11 UTC  |  Edited by: Victoria Sin
To be honest I'm surprised you get any warpable hits at all. If their intel is working properly they should be safe when you're 2 jumps out, not when you come into system.

LUMINOUS SPIRIT wrote:

i drop from wormholes or bridge from systems with no eyes posted to them.

tippia you obviously havent been prowling null for as long as I have; trust me when i say there is a problem with bots running rampant.


So your character arrives in system local a second or two before you land on grid. Your 5 second scan is 5 seconds but 7-9 seconds have already passed (you had to de-cloak and launch probes). Another 8 seconds to warp to them is 15-17 in total and that's long enough for a battleship or smaller to GTFO. I's more than long enough if he's aligned to a safe, which he might be if his intel channel sucks (which it obviously does).
LUMINOUS SPIRIT
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#13 - 2014-06-29 20:56:00 UTC  |  Edited by: LUMINOUS SPIRIT
Tippia wrote:
That still leaves plenty of time and ability to have prior warning..


when i spawn a fresh k162 to null and enter it, THERE IS NO WARNING.
Xasnevian
sadfadsfadsadsf
#14 - 2014-06-29 20:57:21 UTC
OP, you call these people bots while your only proof is your own 'skill'. If I have to choose between all people being bots or you not being as skilful as you think you are, I choose the latter.
Eleanor Wish
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#15 - 2014-06-29 20:58:59 UTC
LUMINOUS SPIRIT wrote:
Pointless whining


You do realize that all these people have intel channels, right? Most of them talk to each other and warn their friends the second they see you.

The smart ones are likely full speed aligned as well.
LUMINOUS SPIRIT
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#16 - 2014-06-29 20:59:21 UTC
[quote=Victoria Sin]To be honest I'm surprised you get any warpable hits at all. If their intel is working properly they should be safe when you're 2 jumps out, not when you come into system.

i bypass intel channels. when i enter local, its the first time they see me.
LUMINOUS SPIRIT
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#17 - 2014-06-29 21:02:52 UTC
Xasnevian wrote:
OP, you call these people bots while your only proof is your own 'skill'. If I have to choose between all people being bots or you not being as skilful as you think you are, I choose the latter.


post on your main or GTFO
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#18 - 2014-06-29 21:04:33 UTC  |  Edited by: Tippia
LUMINOUS SPIRIT wrote:
when i spawn a fresh k162 to null and enter it, THERE IS NO WARNING.
Yes there is. It's called “showing up on log-in”. Oh, and unless you're doing something spectacularly suspicious when you “spawn” those k162s, you'll create plenty of warning that way too. If you've prowled null for as long as you wish to imply, you should know this already.

And again, even without warning, it's trivial to warp off between the time you show up in local and the time you could possibly arrive on-grid. So the evidence you have to support the assertion that they're all bots is tenuous at best.
Gallowmere Rorschach
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#19 - 2014-06-29 21:05:00 UTC  |  Edited by: Gallowmere Rorschach
LUMINOUS SPIRIT wrote:
[quote=Victoria Sin]To be honest I'm surprised you get any warpable hits at all. If their intel is working properly they should be safe when you're 2 jumps out, not when you come into system.

i bypass intel channels. when i enter local, its the first time they see me.


Yes, we are aware of how wormholes work (at least I am), but you're still ignoring the other points (alignment and your own reputation leading to you being on contacts). You've run into a dry spell, where suddenly you are catching ratters who aren't completely ******** or distracted; it happens.

Are there bots out there? Absolutely.
Is it as bad as you're making it sound? I seriously doubt it.
Gallowmere Rorschach
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#20 - 2014-06-29 21:05:53 UTC
Grrrr, doublepost. :-\
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