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Holgrak Blacksmith
Prophets of Motav
#1 - 2014-06-29 15:15:44 UTC
Ive recently moved back to high sec after several years in null. I'm not a big fan of suicide ganking, so I'm thinking about wardeccing some miner/missioning care bear corps. To those of you with experience of combat in high sec I want to know if this is a viable way of finding targets, or am I far more likely to find the corp has disbanded the next day?
Gully Alex Foyle
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#2 - 2014-06-29 20:50:49 UTC
I live happily in lowsec.

But if I ever wanted to try highsec PVP, I would start by 'joining as ally to the defender' EVERY SINGLE WARDEC I could find.

If I understand wardecs mechanics correctly, this would mean:

- Zero costs

- Lots of targets (that hopefully will actually fight, since they're the 'aggressors')


Try it!

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Intar Medris
KarmaFleet University
#3 - 2014-06-30 10:14:28 UTC
Holgrak Blacksmith wrote:
Ive recently moved back to high sec after several years in null. I'm not a big fan of suicide ganking, so I'm thinking about wardeccing some miner/missioning care bear corps. To those of you with experience of combat in high sec I want to know if this is a viable way of finding targets, or am I far more likely to find the corp has disbanded the next day?



With as easy as it is for people to shed a War Dec by dropping corp it could be frustrating. IMHO players should be locked into corp or carry the war dec till the end of the war. Common tactic is to have everyone drop corp but one toon to keep the corp active, and then reform in a new corp till the war expires. Makes the war dec system totally worthless if all you to do is drop corp to avoid it.

I try to be nice and mind my business just shooting lasers at rocks. There is just way too many asshats in New Eden for that to happen.
Kaea Astridsson
Hoplite Brigade
Ushra'Khan
#4 - 2014-06-30 11:21:37 UTC
Well if they all reform corp, the corp didn't have much of an infrastructure/corp service to begin with now did it? All assets in space will still be your for the taking. You really just want to hunt miners, head out to null somewhere. No need for war-decs and avoiding response fleets is challenging and fun.

Get on Comms, or die typing.
Intar Medris
KarmaFleet University
#5 - 2014-06-30 13:11:52 UTC
Kaea Astridsson wrote:
Well if they all reform corp, the corp didn't have much of an infrastructure/corp service to begin with now did it? All assets in space will still be your for the taking. You really just want to hunt miners, head out to null somewhere. No need for war-decs and avoiding response fleets is challenging and fun.


Once again it is commonplace for total carebears to either 1. Drop Corp to an NPC corp at the first notice of a war dec or 2. Switch to the other corp that is already setup for the explicit purpose of dodging war decs. Worst of all both methods cost the carebear nothing while the deccer either hired or just for the lolz payed 50 mil plus, and now has no targets. Why? Because the 40+ man corp they decced now just consist of the CEO and his alts or just toon intended to keep the corp open. You should either be locked in or carry the war dec individually till the end of the war unless it is a mutual war. Go to another corp that corp inherits your dec. Go to an NPC you remain a valid target for at least a week.

I try to be nice and mind my business just shooting lasers at rocks. There is just way too many asshats in New Eden for that to happen.
IbanezLaney
The Church of Awesome
#6 - 2014-06-30 15:02:54 UTC
Holgrak Blacksmith wrote:
Ive recently moved back to high sec after several years in null. I can't afford catalysts and think sec status is important, so I'm thinking about wardeccing some miner/missioning care bear corps because mining ships don't shoot back and I am a 'leet pvper'. To those of you with experience of station games and shooting defenceless beginners in high sec I want to know if this is a viable way of finding targets, or am I far more likely to find the corp will grief me back by disbanding, laughing at me for wasting 50+ million isk and tell me how weak I am for not just going to low sec and trying real pvp?




Your honesty is a refreshing change.

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Jonas Staal
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#7 - 2014-07-03 09:11:19 UTC
This is kind of a mixed feeling answer:
Yes, players can just drop corp for the duration of the wardec and join npc corp, or just stay docked. Nothing you can do about it.

Then again, since you are looking for an easy way to shoot people of who you know won't give you much of a fight in return, it might be logical for them to have an "easy way out".

The alternative still available to you is suicide ganking, so it's not like you don't have any options.

Unless ofcourse you want to roam high sec shooting miners and mission runners in your HAC or T3.
Intar Medris
KarmaFleet University
#8 - 2014-07-03 12:36:11 UTC
Jonas Staal wrote:
This is kind of a mixed feeling answer:
Yes, players can just drop corp for the duration of the wardec and join npc corp, or just stay docked. Nothing you can do about it.

Then again, since you are looking for an easy way to shoot people of who you know won't give you much of a fight in return, it might be logical for them to have an "easy way out".

The alternative still available to you is suicide ganking, so it's not like you don't have any options.

Unless ofcourse you want to roam high sec shooting miners and mission runners in your HAC or T3.


You are paying CONCORD 50 million- 2 billion ISK a week for a legal engagement against your target. They shouldn't be able to dodge the war dec with no cost or consequences.

I try to be nice and mind my business just shooting lasers at rocks. There is just way too many asshats in New Eden for that to happen.
Jonas Staal
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#9 - 2014-07-03 12:44:11 UTC
Intar Medris wrote:
Jonas Staal wrote:
This is kind of a mixed feeling answer:
Yes, players can just drop corp for the duration of the wardec and join npc corp, or just stay docked. Nothing you can do about it.

Then again, since you are looking for an easy way to shoot people of who you know won't give you much of a fight in return, it might be logical for them to have an "easy way out".

The alternative still available to you is suicide ganking, so it's not like you don't have any options.

Unless ofcourse you want to roam high sec shooting miners and mission runners in your HAC or T3.


You are paying CONCORD 50 million- 2 billion ISK a week for a legal engagement against your target. They shouldn't be able to dodge the war dec with no cost or consequences.


You make it sound like its alot of isk?
Moonlit Raid
Doomheim
#10 - 2014-07-03 19:42:07 UTC
Intar Medris wrote:
Jonas Staal wrote:
This is kind of a mixed feeling answer:
Yes, players can just drop corp for the duration of the wardec and join npc corp, or just stay docked. Nothing you can do about it.

Then again, since you are looking for an easy way to shoot people of who you know won't give you much of a fight in return, it might be logical for them to have an "easy way out".

The alternative still available to you is suicide ganking, so it's not like you don't have any options.

Unless ofcourse you want to roam high sec shooting miners and mission runners in your HAC or T3.


You are paying CONCORD 50 million- 2 billion ISK a week for a legal engagement against your target. They shouldn't be able to dodge the war dec with no cost or consequences.

The consequence is they lose the corp.
Dec people who want to fight and are able you will have your fight.
Dec people who don't want to fight and you are doing nothing so noble as "looking for a fight."

For these reasons I think it should be totally possible to "avoid" a dec. Deccing newbie mining corps with the excuse of "I was looking for a fight" is just as false as their requirement to put up with it.

If brute force isn't working, you're just not using enough.

Please Note: Any advice given comes with the caveat that nothing will be suitable for every situation.
Voyager Arran
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#11 - 2014-07-03 20:15:33 UTC
Intar Medris wrote:
Jonas Staal wrote:
This is kind of a mixed feeling answer:
Yes, players can just drop corp for the duration of the wardec and join npc corp, or just stay docked. Nothing you can do about it.

Then again, since you are looking for an easy way to shoot people of who you know won't give you much of a fight in return, it might be logical for them to have an "easy way out".

The alternative still available to you is suicide ganking, so it's not like you don't have any options.

Unless ofcourse you want to roam high sec shooting miners and mission runners in your HAC or T3.


You are paying CONCORD 50 million- 2 billion ISK a week for a legal engagement against your target. They shouldn't be able to dodge the war dec with no cost or consequences.


Why do you demand the game allow you to legally shoot people who have committed no offense other than undocking in hisec because of an entirely arbitrary mechanic?
X Gallentius
Black Eagle1
#12 - 2014-07-03 21:37:21 UTC
Intar Medris wrote:
You are paying CONCORD 50 million- 2 billion ISK a week for a legal engagement against your target. They shouldn't be able to dodge the war dec with no cost or consequences.
Now you can attack their POCOs and POSs with impunity?

No space structure you say? Yeah, sorry you can't grief them 23/7. Crappy game design. damn you ccp.
Tengu Grib
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#13 - 2014-07-06 05:25:23 UTC
One tip I received from a very reliable source, is have as many targets at once as you can manage, this increases the likelihood of you being on when they are, increases the likelihood of you randomly bumping into one, and also creates a false sense of security for your targets (oh he has five wars and he's one man, he won't be looking for ME). I've found that even with 150 WT characters you're lucky to see 5-10 online. Maybe two of those are actually undocked and active. Going this route can be expensive, can get you into hot water if there is actually organized resistance (AHAHAHAHA!) but gives the best chances for fights. It really comes down to can you be active enough to catch and loot enough WT's to make more than you spend. Ask Kane, that's the tricky part, making it more than just an isk-bottomless-hole.

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Moore McRay
No Vacancies
No Vacancies.
#14 - 2014-07-06 16:37:57 UTC
The thing with fighting back as a PvE/indy corp is that it will get you on the radar of big tradehub/route camping alliances such as MYM8. It's not a big deal if you avoid jita, dodixie, amarr etc. and the systems between them.
(I think it's also the reason why i see a lot less activity in highsec during war compared to 2 years ago.)

as for w-deccing I prefer medium sized but active corps witch requires a bit of searching but it's worthwhile. Go for multipurpose corps since they sometimes do pvp so you get fights.

Since OP comes from null i think it's woth mentioning that the metagaming is a bit diffrent from null neutral spies are a big deal so is neutral logi so always count that in.

o7
Kagura Nikon
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
#15 - 2014-07-07 10:54:40 UTC
Holgrak Blacksmith wrote:
Ive recently moved back to high sec after several years in null. I'm not a big fan of suicide ganking, so I'm thinking about wardeccing some miner/missioning care bear corps. To those of you with experience of combat in high sec I want to know if this is a viable way of finding targets, or am I far more likely to find the corp has disbanded the next day?



Alone it is hard. When you are in a group and can afford a dozen wars or more it works. Just check our own killboard for a simple example ( I cannot link it here, but you can check the corp/alliance in zkillboards)

"If brute force does not solve your problem....  then you are  surely not using enough!"
Kagura Nikon
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
#16 - 2014-07-07 10:57:04 UTC
X Gallentius wrote:
Intar Medris wrote:
You are paying CONCORD 50 million- 2 billion ISK a week for a legal engagement against your target. They shouldn't be able to dodge the war dec with no cost or consequences.
Now you can attack their POCOs and POSs with impunity?

No space structure you say? Yeah, sorry you can't grief them 23/7. Crappy game design. damn you ccp.



That would be a viable solution if 2 things: POCOS income was more important (their individual income is low enough that most WT corps prefer to let them die)

POS are not feasible targets in high sec. WHy? ECM loaded POSs are a pain to kill when you do not have dreads. Take sooo long that they are not feasible targets.


On my view only small POS shoudl be allowed in high sec so that they can be engaged and word as fight baits as you suggested.

"If brute force does not solve your problem....  then you are  surely not using enough!"
Kagura Nikon
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
#17 - 2014-07-07 10:58:31 UTC
Moonlit Raid wrote:
Intar Medris wrote:
Jonas Staal wrote:
This is kind of a mixed feeling answer:
Yes, players can just drop corp for the duration of the wardec and join npc corp, or just stay docked. Nothing you can do about it.

Then again, since you are looking for an easy way to shoot people of who you know won't give you much of a fight in return, it might be logical for them to have an "easy way out".

The alternative still available to you is suicide ganking, so it's not like you don't have any options.

Unless ofcourse you want to roam high sec shooting miners and mission runners in your HAC or T3.


You are paying CONCORD 50 million- 2 billion ISK a week for a legal engagement against your target. They shouldn't be able to dodge the war dec with no cost or consequences.

The consequence is they lose the corp.
Dec people who want to fight and are able you will have your fight.
Dec people who don't want to fight and you are doing nothing so noble as "looking for a fight."

For these reasons I think it should be totally possible to "avoid" a dec. Deccing newbie mining corps with the excuse of "I was looking for a fight" is just as false as their requirement to put up with it.



They do not lose the corp. They make 5-6 corps and hop between them every 24 h to avoid being at war. CCP should make a timer that after you join a corp you need 1 week before joining another. So peopel would not abuse of that.

"If brute force does not solve your problem....  then you are  surely not using enough!"
Christopher Mabata
Northern Accounts and Systems
#18 - 2014-07-07 12:20:20 UTC
I do that on one of my alts actually, i stick about in the recruiting channel looking at mining corps, when i find a good target i hit them up and use a fake screenshot of my skills that makes me look like a miner when im really not, then i ask simple questions such as:

"So i live in caldari space and have alot of assets i need to move if im joining you, where do you guys live?"
"Any chance i could see the system your using to see if its worth moving all my assets or just some of them"
"I can fly an orca too with good links, is there a system you guys could use an extra hauler or booster in?"

9/10 noob miners spill the beans, then just head on down in the pew pew bus mark where they keep boosters or miners usually go, know the ice belt spawn time and the busiest time so i have more time before im spotted in local. Declare war, create chaos, demand ransom, profit

Joining mining corps does it quite well too and saves you on the dec costs so it wont cut into your porfits

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