EVE General Discussion

Meh, 1 half hour of work and it pays for my account. 1 day of work out of the 25 or so I work in a month lets me be filthy rich selling PLEX to no lifes who can't be assed to go out and get a job and would rather complain that it takes them 6-8 hours to grind out isk for a plex instead of working for an hour and just paying for the game.

Thanks for your ISK losers, get a job ya bums.

My god, are the majority of eve players in poverty? Can't afford that $15 sub? I had no idea that was such a colossal amount of money.

I really don't see why people burst in to tears when some of us point out how pathetic remarks like this are. They are at least as bad (and repetitive/obnoxious) as whining over plex prices in the first place. If you only have one account in Eve, you're a chav. Sorry, was that a bit obnoxious?


I supported my 8 for the last few years mainly by indy stuff, sometimes I sub where needed. But I'll be damned if I'll undock and farm for it. The hassle was mainly logging alts in to flip slots/sets contracts and keep an eye on the market, and I personally resent anything more than a couple of hours a month devoted to ISK generation. Try explaining that to people who quit because they can't work out non-grinding ISK generation methods, are on a low income, and are starting to burn out of game anyway. All they counter with is that cost-benefit wise there are other games they can pay to play for less and have more fun. There's no comeback to that.


I think what he meant was that those who plex are generating higher revenue for CCP via demand. Plexes are roughly 30-50% more than a raw sub. It's a curious argument as demand isn't below supply, actually the other way around. But you could argue that players who plex generate more profit.

Plex prices are increasing to an abnormal degree, which might be a sign of rampant inflation. Losing Eggy doesn't help, given that he made himself known to the playerbase and stated he'd intervene to slow down the velocity of inflation (although not the long term trend). Who knows what the new econ team are doing, they haven't even introduced his replacement. Strip out all the emotive arguments, put your handbags down and condescention for a second and address the underlying issue. Inflation at this rate should be a topic for discussion, but there's no point if the participants would rather warble on about how much they make ph and their contempt for various playstyles they don't understand.

I am currently living in a country where $600 is a NICE monthly wage.
While this does not touch me (money is one of my last issues both in game and in RL now ), it affects the local populace a lot.

They will NEVER be able to go above that salary... yet it's enough to pay rent and feed 2 sons and go to restaurant in the week end in that place. What should somebody living in a country where $600 is a nice wage do with video games? Never buy one, just because some EA shark determined that they can steal $75 for a bad video game?
No, they just don't buy EA crap and play EvE with PLEX. It's not about being poor, but about living in a place that does not need $3000 a month to survive, where everything is scaled down by 5 including costs and wages, yet they have to "interface" with western monthly subs prices that were studied for high cost of life countries.

Actually, there is more profit there. A paid account is a paid account, but a subbed account is less profitable for CCP.

I think you're correct.

I'm not sure why people are arguing PLEX needs to be cheap enough for people to afford to PLEX to get by.

For people in the US and much of western Europe Eve is cheap entertainment. These two blocks of players make up a huge portion of all players as well, so I think that all the complaints about people not being able to play without PLEXing is silly.

For most of Europe and the US the minimum wage (Germany does not have one but their average wage is quite high) easily pays for a character's time in two hours or less.

In the US the average wage pays for a month of eve in less than one hour.

PLEX is a luxury item and a commodity, I don't think it was ever intended to be a way for poorer folks to grind their days away to get by.

Supply and demand bends for no man. If you can't come up with the rl cash or game isk to sub however many accounts you have, then you can't have them, simple as that. EVE is a game, you don't even need more than X accounts to play. Just one will suffice. I've been on one account since I got started five years ago and it's been fine for me.

Ultimately CCP can meddle in the PLEX supply only to their own detriment. Any PLEX that wasn't bought and paid for that they seed into the market to drive prices down is one less monthly injection of cash into their accounts. They need to keep the lights on and pay their staff just like everyone else. Does that mean customers bearing costs that would be outrageous to impoverish third worlders? Of course it does. But neither CCP nor anyone else is obligated to do business such that literally anyone on earth can purchase their products or services.

This whole debate is just hilarious.

Multipul account holders are being punished? Oh give me a break. Everyone I know with more than three accounts is absolutely rolling in isk. Most of them live in wormholes or sov null where multiboxing anoms is a license to print money. If you can't manage an absurd isk income stream with three or more accounts then you've got bigger problems than the price of plex.

Newbies are being punished? Ha! Surely you are joking. A fresh-faced newbie with his one account benefits immensely from this. Unless he (foolishly) believed that he'd be paying from the get-go with PLEX, then he needn't even bother with this mess. What's more, if he is so inclined, he can sell plex to some of these frantic vets trying to keep up with subscribing a dozen accounts and skip what amounts to days or weeks of newbie farming. That's what we call a win-win situation. Newbie just wants to violence spaceships, he can buy a small armada of t1 merlins with just a single plex, or he can run level 1-2 missions for days on end to fit half as many. Unless he's one of the NEAT kids on the block, it's a no-brainer.

TL;DR: The PLEX market is serving the needs of both buyers and sellers. A rise or fall in price does not change that fundamental fact. There will always be players who want it higher or lower than the price currently is, but there is no "fair," plex price by any measure. Price is where the cost people are willing to pay meets what the other people are willing to sell it for. Nothing more. Pick up an economics textbook that doesn't have the word "manifesto," printed on the front somtime and you'll see what I mean.

So grinding for PLEX is a more efficient use of your time than paying cash, from the sound of it, that probably won't change if the PLEX price continues to rise. Nobody owes you a favorable exchange rate or a job with salary sufficient to comfortably pay for X accounts in a video game. That's not an "eliteist," observation. That's just a fact.

Life ain't fair. I say this as a Mexican where the average income is probably at or below your own. You make the best of what you've got because that's all you can do. Sure, you can also **** and moan about the fact others were born with more than you, or got better opportunities because of chance and circumstance, but that doesn't make you any better off. In-fact it just makes you bitter person who is even less capable of building up some wealth of his own, most of what makes a man richer is his ability to do something for others and do it well, so if you're a bitter person who feels a grudge towards anyone with the resoruces to pay you, you're not going to make it very far.

Wait what are you eating?

So... where did I say ANYTHING about PLEX price? Don't project on me what you think I am thinking, because it's not true.
I am actually fine with whatever the markets do, I am totally liberal and open to the most free markets possible.