Player Features and Ideas Discussion

http://themittani.com/features/death-hellcamp

Is CCP's response to this for real?

To summarize, apparently it's perfectly legitimate gameplay to:
1. Log off in a bubble (e.g. in a POS) or outside a camped station (or wait for downtime to log you off automatically)
2. Log in with only seconds left before next downtime
3. Log back in later and have your ship warp to a spot off grid from your original location

Isn't this an obvious exploit that should be fixed?

I put this in the FAID section for feedback and discussion of possible solutions (not sure if it's the right section). Some potential solutions:
1. Make downtime somewhat random (say 5-10 min random interval)
2. If in warp at downtime, record ship position as final landing position instead (with consideration of bubbles, etc.)
3. Ship doesn't disappear from space if inside a bubble (won't fix all problems though)
4. Ship automatically logs back in after downtime for a few min if it was in space before downtime (maybe with some sort of invulnerability at first?). I think this would be cool but I foresee some problems and a lot of complaints from all the risk-averse players.

Thoughts?

First, this was already posted on themittani.com. Second, CCP apparently said this was not an exploit, so what exactly is the problem with discussing a game mechanic (that I personally happen to think is bad) in public?

If you are discussing a game mechanic that you do not like and not an exploit, then why does the title have the word exploit in it?

Also, not everyone reads TMC. I wouldn't not have known about this if it had not have been for your post. That is the point Kaerakh is trying to make.

Alright, so... How can I exploit this game mechanic?!

Please be more specific. :)

Actually, both points are not irrelevant. If CCP says something is *not* an exploit, it really doesn't matter what I think. If it's not an exploit, then it's not a bug, and this doesn't belong in the issues section either.

If CCP has changed their mind and thinks now that this is an exploit now that it's public, they can delete this thread. Clearly if CCP really thought this was an exploit, it would have been fixed by now. Fast and easy solution, make a small random downtime interval. Patch ready for next downtime. But it's not fixed, and it's not an exploit, so let's discuss. It might make the game better...



Because I happen to think this is on the level of exploit. CCP says this is not an exploit.

You are way too concerned with being a forum warrior. I responded to your points directly. Care to be more specific regarding exactly what I missed?

The goal of making this public is the same as making any bad game mechanic public in FAID. If enough people think it's bad, CCP can see that, change it, and make the game better. The solution to this bad mechanic is not what you suggest - to simply control the spread of the information (good luck with that as it was already posted on themittani.com as I said). The solution is to fix the bad mechanic. And that won't happen if CCP thinks it's not broken.

Sorry moderator, what rule did I disregard? This is a bad mechanic, not an exploit, because that is what CCP says. Change the title to "bad downtime mechanic", who really cares?

Please don't post and waste everybody's time unless you actually have something constructive to say. I was looking for opinions re how to fix what I think is a bad mechanic (and IMO an exploit) to make the game better for everyone. You and have others have created a lot of hostility for no reason, while contributing absolutely nothing to the discussion.

And no, I don't like that CCP "has seen it, said no, and left it". Do you? That's why I created this thread - so that others could share their opinion.

Quoting themittani.com article:


https://twitter.com/CCP_Help/status/467247513498824704

This is not an exploit, according to CCP. Are you done now?

Because *I* think it should be considered an exploit. CCP does not think this is an exploit, which I think is wrong but I've also said this numerous times. Yet nobody has a problem with that apparently. The problem is my forum post...

I love how no one posted about the actual issue lol, you should all be very proud of yourselves.

I've changed the title now, I hope you are happy.