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So what's keeping you from moving to Null Sec
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Jenn aSide
Worthless Carebears
The Initiative.
#161 - 2014-06-28 16:38:14 UTC  |  Edited by: Jenn aSide
Schmata Bastanold wrote:
Shouldn't ask if you can't handle answers.

Also if null is so awesome why are you so concern about people living in all other areas? If there is so much fun and things to do there why do you care about us, miserable bastards wasting our time and money elsewhere?


Not really caring about where people live or what they do, more pointing out how CCP has effectly need null sec by making all the other places better places to live while saddling null with crap like the ESS.

Nullsec made sense when I started in 2007, it's where you went for fights and riches. Now it's simply the place you go because wormhole living is annoying and low sec gate guns are also annoying. you don't even have to go there for isk if you can fly a bomber in faction warfare or can fly a mach/vindi/nightmare/logi in high sec incursions.
Schmata Bastanold
In Boobiez We Trust
#162 - 2014-06-28 16:46:37 UTC
Jenn aSide wrote:
You make null access so easy anyone can do it, it will STILL be to hard for most.


I don't think it's about access to null but more about shopping opportunities. I for example usually have few same fits ready but I also like to just log in, open market, buy totally different ship on a whim and mods for it and just undock. Or not, maybe I just want to spin it for a while and then I undock my usual fit? Who knows, who cares. Thing is to do it in null I would have to either plan my "whims" and order stuff for scheduled jump or ask around if somebody does jump at this particular moment for them and if they could bring an object of my sudden possessive urges or have my own JF or ask if anybody has one out of production line or... Well, I do not find all those hoops very amusing.

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Lord Fudo
Doomheim
#163 - 2014-06-28 16:51:08 UTC  |  Edited by: Lord Fudo
I prefer wormhole space. I dont live in nullsec because I dont like local channel showing everyone in system.

If cloaked players didnt show up in local, id definitely go to null b3cause then using covert ops type ships would be more fun.

Plus I prefer the changing neighbors in wormholes. There's a new neighbor to visit/kill everyday.
Felicity Love
Doomheim
#164 - 2014-06-28 16:51:56 UTC  |  Edited by: Felicity Love
Hra Neuvosto wrote:
Lots of angry people who weren't good enough to get into 0.0 in this thread.


And lots more who are better by simply exercising a sense of free will and saying "Nyet" to a life of submission under anyone else. Imagine that. Blink

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baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#165 - 2014-06-28 17:11:03 UTC
Felicity Love wrote:
Hra Neuvosto wrote:
Lots of angry people who weren't good enough to get into 0.0 in this thread.


And lots more who are better by simply exercising a sense of free will and saying "Nyet" to a life of submission under anyone else. Imagine that. Blink


People working together is bad yo.
Felicity Love
Doomheim
#166 - 2014-06-28 17:26:41 UTC
baltec1 wrote:


People working together is bad yo.


Sheeple are like that... but, to play Devil's Advocate for moment, they do make good renters, eh ? Blink

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Duncan Ringill
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#167 - 2014-06-28 17:33:21 UTC
There's nothing in null that I particularly want to learn or acquire.

http://badwrongfun.org
Bael Malefic
Doomheim
#168 - 2014-06-28 17:39:20 UTC
Jenn aSide wrote:


A guy with a tengu and acnhoring lvl 1 (so they can anchor a can) can (if he's willing to make 3-4 trips to empire every 6 weeks or so in a cargo expanded covert/nullified fit) can set up shop in null and pve his ass to riches for a long time. Solo..... Casually.... Long in when you want, log off when you want.

How many people do that, out of 400+k accounts in EVE? Maybe a handful.


A guy with a Tengu, eh? That's somebody who has spent 1 year + of sub money skilling up to be able to fly that (properly, not just sit in it) just so they can get killed periodically while attempting to run the perpetual gate camps, blockades and roams that define the periphery of null. Guys with Tengus get killed *all the time* in my neighbourhood in null.

That is why so few do that. Because it is neither scalable nor sustainable.
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
#169 - 2014-06-28 17:57:30 UTC  |  Edited by: Alavaria Fera
I frequently die in bubbles...

this wouldn't happen if it was lowsec, then I'd never die in bubbles.

baltec1 wrote:
Felicity Love wrote:
Hra Neuvosto wrote:
Lots of angry people who weren't good enough to get into 0.0 in this thread.

And lots more who are better by simply exercising a sense of free will and saying "Nyet" to a life of submission under anyone else. Imagine that. Blink

People working together is bad yo.

Lots of angry people who weren't good enough to get into 0.0 in this thread.

Yep. "Good enough"

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Jenn aSide
Worthless Carebears
The Initiative.
#170 - 2014-06-28 18:44:05 UTC
Bael Malefic wrote:
Jenn aSide wrote:


A guy with a tengu and acnhoring lvl 1 (so they can anchor a can) can (if he's willing to make 3-4 trips to empire every 6 weeks or so in a cargo expanded covert/nullified fit) can set up shop in null and pve his ass to riches for a long time. Solo..... Casually.... Long in when you want, log off when you want.

How many people do that, out of 400+k accounts in EVE? Maybe a handful.


A guy with a Tengu, eh? That's somebody who has spent 1 year + of sub money skilling up to be able to fly that (properly, not just sit in it) just so they can get killed periodically while attempting to run the perpetual gate camps, blockades and roams that define the periphery of null. Guys with Tengus get killed *all the time* in my neighbourhood in null.

That is why so few do that. Because it is neither scalable nor sustainable.


Exactly the point, I'll bet you've never tried it.

And wtf, a year to use a tengu proplery, someone can't use EVEMON lol. So few do it because they are lazy, ignorant about how easy it is, and scared of losing pixels. It doesn't help that CCP has year after year handed lazy people more and more "stay at home" (high sec) and "day trip'" (low sec, wormholes) content.
Baron' Soontir Fel
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#171 - 2014-06-28 18:52:28 UTC
I get more PvP in low than I'll ever get in null. I get relatively easy JF runs into my home systems. I don't have to deal with bored nullbears titan dropping on my Thorax. I don't have to deal with huge gatecamps. I don't need to deal with empty bubbles taking up my eve time. Also, I like how you think null sec is "dangerous," and that people can't hack it in null.
LUMINOUS SPIRIT
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#172 - 2014-06-28 19:00:24 UTC
Local channel makes it too safe and uninteresting. Null is safer then high sec these days.

Wormholes is where true pvp happens.
colay Starwolf
Fusion Enterprises Ltd
Pandemic Horde
#173 - 2014-06-28 19:02:18 UTC
i am a caregiver gots to leave at the drop of a hat

EvE is a big mmorpg ( Many Men Online Role Playing Girls) game
baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#174 - 2014-06-28 19:05:32 UTC
LUMINOUS SPIRIT wrote:
Null is safer then high sec these days.



Millions more ships die in null than highsec.
Marsha Mallow
#175 - 2014-06-28 20:17:24 UTC
Jenn aSide wrote:
It doesn't help that CCP has year after year handed lazy people more and more "stay at home" (high sec) and "day trip'" (low sec, wormholes) content.

Lowsec and wormholes are not "day trip" content designed for lazy people. Nullsec isn't 'endgame' and it's not suited to everyone. There's nothing wrong with a preference for small gang or non-sov warfare. Some people just can't be arsed with it, doesn't mean they're any less competent. Tbh the ratio of actual PVPers vs F1 blobmonkeys is probably higher in the ganking community than in parts of null anyway, nevermind low and k-space.

Jenn aSide wrote:
Exactly the point, I'll bet you've never tried it.

P

Ripard Teg > For the morons in the room:

Sweets > U can dd my face any day
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
#176 - 2014-06-28 22:00:09 UTC
If only we were elite enough to not F1 and just use drone assist...

Triggered by: Wars of Sovless Agression, Bending the Knee, Twisting the Knife, Eating Sov Wheaties, Bombless Bombers, Fizzlesov, Interceptor Fleets, Running Away, GhostTime Vuln, Renters, Bombs, Bubbles ?
Mario Putzo
#177 - 2014-06-28 22:15:24 UTC  |  Edited by: Mario Putzo
Because Nullsec is largely ****. There is absolutely no reason to actually live there, unless you enjoy the CTA's and TIDI fights. As an individual you never see money from moons or rent, as a small corp or alliance you must kiss a ring, or rent and live by someone elses rules.

Its **** space, its **** gameplay, and its a **** culture.

You can get everything else by living in Low Sec, and you have the ability to go to nullsec and partake in the things like plexing, exploration, ratting what have you whenever you want. There is no reason at all to go to nullsec and live, unless you enjoy being dictated to 23/7.
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
#178 - 2014-06-28 22:22:24 UTC
Mario Putzo wrote:
Because Nullsec is largely ****. There is absolutely no reason to actually live there, unless you enjoy the CTA's and TIDI fights. As an individual you never see money from moons or rent,

Good thing we're hopelessly indoctrinated then.

Oh, I know, let me leak our top secret ctas, we recently had a "defcon 25* all hands on trouser snake stratop"

Triggered by: Wars of Sovless Agression, Bending the Knee, Twisting the Knife, Eating Sov Wheaties, Bombless Bombers, Fizzlesov, Interceptor Fleets, Running Away, GhostTime Vuln, Renters, Bombs, Bubbles ?
Mario Putzo
#179 - 2014-06-28 22:29:53 UTC
Alavaria Fera wrote:
Mario Putzo wrote:
Because Nullsec is largely ****. There is absolutely no reason to actually live there, unless you enjoy the CTA's and TIDI fights. As an individual you never see money from moons or rent,

Good thing we're hopelessly indoctrinated then.

Oh, I know, let me leak our top secret ctas, we recently had a "defcon 25* all hands on trouser snake stratop"


Boy you make a strong argument on the merits of Nullsec.

"Hey guys we didn't really do anything today. We formed up a 50 man roaming fleet but no one would fight us because we are blue to everything within 30 jumps in either direction."
Marsha Mallow
#180 - 2014-06-28 22:30:39 UTC
Alavaria Fera wrote:
If only we were elite enough to not F1 and just use drone assist...

I know, but drone assist monkey just doesn't have the same ring to it :P Blobmonkey works I suppose.

Having said that, I was in a FW system the other day and the locals were screaming about filthy blobbers. At 7 of us in dessies. Honestly I laughed so hard I nearly died to gate guns. Maybe they were roleplaying. There's an odd vibe in lowsec, like everyone is either off their **** all the time or a bit loopy. Works for me v0v

Ripard Teg > For the morons in the room:

Sweets > U can dd my face any day