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FrenchSubstitute
Tradors'R'us
IChooseYou Alliance
#1 - 2014-06-26 18:22:56 UTC
Do you think that the price of exploration loot will go up with the upcoming industry changes?

As a result of more people jumping into manufacturing, will the price increase with the demand? Also, I understand that invention is no longer going to render -2 ME, and will rather render a default of +2 ME. Does this mean that the price of invented items will go down, and demand for them go up (desprite the items needing less materials)?

Let me know what you think!
Steve Celeste
Doomheim
#2 - 2014-06-26 20:12:13 UTC
FrenchSubstitute wrote:
more people jumping into manufacturing

No.
FrenchSubstitute
Tradors'R'us
IChooseYou Alliance
#3 - 2014-06-26 20:16:34 UTC
Steve Celeste wrote:
FrenchSubstitute wrote:
more people jumping into manufacturing

No.


You do not think that more people will get into manufacturing after the patch? Right now, manufacturing has an intellectual and research requirement to it. With the patch, there will be no more (or less of a) need for spreadsheets and such.
Sabriz Adoudel
Move along there is nothing here
#4 - 2014-06-26 23:14:04 UTC
There is no question that, short term, more people will be in manufacturing post Crius. Just as a whole bunch of people that never really run exploration sites gave them a new try after Odyssey.

As for market impacts - some decryptors get worse (Process), others better (Parity, Symmetry, Attainment).

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Elizabeth Norn
Nornir Research
Nornir Empire
#5 - 2014-06-27 03:01:59 UTC  |  Edited by: Elizabeth Norn
FrenchSubstitute wrote:
Steve Celeste wrote:
FrenchSubstitute wrote:
more people jumping into manufacturing

No.


You do not think that more people will get into manufacturing after the patch? Right now, manufacturing has an intellectual and research requirement to it. With the patch, there will be no more (or less of a) need for spreadsheets and such.


Why do you think there will be less need for spreadsheets? There's going to be a lot more factors to consider after the patch.

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Anne Kingston
a Blueprint Holding Corporation
#6 - 2014-06-27 04:46:47 UTC  |  Edited by: Anne Kingston
FrenchSubstitute wrote:
more people jumping into manufacturing


Would be the equivalent of a midlife crisis resulting in a motorcycle accident.



FrenchSubstitute wrote:
Do you think that the price of exploration loot will go up with the upcoming industry changes?


That being said, I think some people will try to jump in to offset their purchasing costs. I believe the mentality will be something like "I usually buy these things, therefore I can pay more than what other people are buying for." Then end up paying way more than purchase price because of unforeseen mark ups. So, there may be a spike in price, but it may balance out to around 3% higher than average price.

If the steps for T2 manufacturing are laid out I do think more people will try it. I don't think even 75% of those people will stick to it, however. Manufacturing is more of a long haul "This is what I'm doing from now on." Kind of thing. Which is why most have alt characters to deal with it.
HeXxploiT
Doomheim
#7 - 2014-06-28 00:46:07 UTC
FrenchSubstitute wrote:
Do you think that the price of exploration loot will go up with the upcoming industry changes?

As a result of more people jumping into manufacturing, will the price increase with the demand? Also, I understand that invention is no longer going to render -2 ME, and will rather render a default of +2 ME. Does this mean that the price of invented items will go down, and demand for them go up (desprite the items needing less materials)?

Let me know what you think!


What you're asking is really if more people will get into manufacturing. The whole point of these updates IS to get more pilots interested in manufacturing. Naturally if more people are engaged there will be increased demand and naturally increased demand will drive up the price of said items.

So I ask you, will CCP succeed in making manufacturing a more enjoyable experience thereby tempting more players into manufacturing?

I believe they will be successful.
Ellon JTC
Quadralien
#8 - 2014-06-28 06:39:47 UTC
FrenchSubstitute wrote:
Do you think that the price of exploration loot will go up with the upcoming industry changes?

As a result of more people jumping into manufacturing, will the price increase with the demand? Also, I understand that invention is no longer going to render -2 ME, and will rather render a default of +2 ME. Does this mean that the price of invented items will go down, and demand for them go up (desprite the items needing less materials)?

Let me know what you think!


No, in fact it will go down even more ,because t2 bpcs will be researched to 0 ME, therefore will require less salvage components
RonPaul Rox
Prime Directive.
United Caldari Space Command.
#9 - 2014-06-28 19:54:02 UTC
Ellon JTC wrote:
FrenchSubstitute wrote:
Do you think that the price of exploration loot will go up with the upcoming industry changes?

As a result of more people jumping into manufacturing, will the price increase with the demand? Also, I understand that invention is no longer going to render -2 ME, and will rather render a default of +2 ME. Does this mean that the price of invented items will go down, and demand for them go up (desprite the items needing less materials)?

Let me know what you think!


No, in fact it will go down even more ,because t2 bpcs will be researched to 0 ME, therefore will require less salvage components


i think they are changing the base cost to compensate tho. Meaning the old -4 me will require the same stuff as the new 2 me

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Nevyn Auscent
Broke Sauce
#10 - 2014-06-30 03:02:14 UTC
RonPaul Rox wrote:

i think they are changing the base cost to compensate tho. Meaning the old -4 me will require the same stuff as the new 2 me

Source? Because that seems like wild speculation. Especially considering the impact that will make on BPC's made with decryptors and T2 BPO's
SCLZ
New Eden Shipyards
Sigma Grindset
#11 - 2014-06-30 07:21:01 UTC  |  Edited by: SCLZ
I'm 90% sure I read the same thing, that the required materials would be adjusted up so the new default ME on invented BPCs under the new system would be roughly similar to how much is required for -4 ME under the current system.

I believe it was a Dev that replied in a thread responding to someone's question pointing out that the demand for moon materials will drop if all the invented BPCs require fewer components.

For the life of me though I haven't been able to find this post - but I've read so many Dev blogs and forum threads I can't even begin to think where I saw it. It's also entirely possible it is out of date and no longer correct - I have the feeling it was fairly early on...


EDIT: Found this - very first post, right in the middle CCP Greyscale mentions:
Quote:
- Removal of negative TE/ME probably requires an increase in T2 build costs to balance out component demand before and after
This isn't the post I was thinking of though, the one I have in my head is a blue replying to a question from somebody.

The wording on this quote is iffy so it may not be happening but it makes sense to me that it is what they'll roughly do so as not to change the demand of moon goo too much.
Sabriz Adoudel
Move along there is nothing here
#12 - 2014-06-30 07:38:17 UTC
I am loving all of the misconceptions about the scope of the Crius changes.

Now, back to strategic buying and selling.

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FrenchSubstitute
Tradors'R'us
IChooseYou Alliance
#13 - 2014-07-02 20:47:47 UTC
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i think they are changing the base cost to compensate tho. Meaning the old -4 me will require the same stuff as the new 2 me[/quote]

I am really not sure about this. I remember reading something in a T2 BPO sales thread where a Dev posted something about there not being any intention to remove T2 BPOs from the game. I seem to recall that the general discussion was that increasing the ME was going to significantly hurt T2 BPOs. This would only make sense if the ME increase was an actual reduction in component costs.

In any event, can't this issue be solved by someone logging onto singularity to check what the cost is?

Edit: I don't know how to quote