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Carebears and EVE Online

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Dally Lama
Doomheim
#1 - 2014-06-27 14:45:05 UTC  |  Edited by: Dally Lama
Decided to look up urbandictionary.com definition for "carebear" after reading a small argument about it on here. There's a few posts that stood out that I wanted to share.

The first being a definition I thought was rather accurate

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1. Lightly derogatory term for an MMO player who avoids PVP combat, heavily preferring cooperative or solo PVE combat, chatting, or developing tradeskills/running quests. Depending on the game and the individual, this PVP avoidance can show up in several ways: by playing on strict non-PVP servers; by avoiding PVP areas or declining duels; or, by avoiding or condemning PVP players. Philosophically, they often cite unbalanced combat systems, overpowered guilds, ebayed characters, and ganking as reasons to prefer less aggressive play. The mindset can be self-sustaining in several ways: high-level "care bears" may have avatars that are tailored for PVE, not PVP; they may not network with skilled PVP players; or, they may morally refuse to learn aggressive PVP tactics. As an insult, the term applies less to players who merely prefer PVE to PVP and more to individuals who question the basic legitimacy of PVP or who greatly overreact to their avatars' deaths. Bear in mind that it is strictly incorrect to refer to the victims of heavy exploiters as Care Bears. Abbreviated CB. Compare with RPK, Player Killing/PK, PVP.
2. Adjective describing a strictly PVE server or game.


Another that offers a bit of perspective

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In the MMORPG Eve-Online (www.eve-online.com) a Carebear is a character who stays in Concord (police) controlled space and never ventures into unsecured "0.0" space.

Unlike previous MMORPG related definitions, an Eve carebear doesn't necessarily eschew Player-vs-Player activity - a carebear may actually be a pirate or griefer who specifically stays in Concord controlled space to prey on new players (noobs).

Carebear pirates are commonly considered a cowardly form of pirate.
My character is in a carebear corporation; I never leave high security space.

He's a carebear pirate because he hangs out on the border of high-security space to gank noobs.


And lastly, a rather amusing one Lol

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A derogatory label and self assurance, used by little boys, whose only baddassery, comes from making their cartoon characters jump around and hit other players real good. Their fragile egos exist only in the form of number of PVP kills earned in a video game and are thus, sadder than you.
Used as a form of counter whining, and childish ad homonym to express frustration at the fact that other players may not enjoy having a 14 year old with self esteem issues and an internet based upbringing, or some 40 year old virgin who dry humps his keyboard for 22 hours a day- killing them while they're trying to play a game.

Those who use this phrase are usually used to chat speak and are generally unable to form complete sentences and original thoughts due to the brain filled with hopes of honor points and other such virtual pride.

Talk about how much a pussy people who aren't into PVP are but offline are the biggest chickenshits around. They honestly think anyone with pubic hair actually considers them to be intimidating.

Used by people who have no life outside a video game.
You may call me a carebear because I'm "afraid of PVP" but if I unhinged your Dorito specked claws from the keyboard and put a woman in front you...well, you'd probably wet yourself.


Add your own if you please, there's a bunch of interesting and/or amusing definitions on there.
Abrazzar
Vardaugas Family
#2 - 2014-06-27 14:48:41 UTC
Carebears are an essential part of the EVE ecology for reseeding Ice Belts.
Valkin Mordirc
#3 - 2014-06-27 14:56:09 UTC
Without the carebears how can buy all my ship in which to blow them up with? D= Really it's a horrible cycle, but it's a cycle that...works...


Hold on, I'mma go write a letter to the president on how to fix the economy. *scampers off*
#DeleteTheWeak
Aiyshimin
Mea Culpa.
Shadow Cartel
#4 - 2014-06-27 14:59:18 UTC
"Carebear" is not a virtual personality type or chosen play style, it's a medical term describing the condition resulting from terminal testosterone deficit.
DJentropy Ovaert
The Conference Elite
The Conference
#5 - 2014-06-27 15:02:23 UTC
Most players I know use the same definition - and is has nothing to do what region of space they operate in :) There are carebears in high, null, low, wormhole space - they are everywhere! :-)

A carebear is a player who seeks to avoid any type of interaction with other players that does not result in him making ISK. They are generally unwilling to learn any game mechanics that are not directly involved with making ISK, and when players with differing play styles present challenges that stand in the way of making ISK - the reaction is one of personal insults, forum posts, anger - generally any reaction that does not involve learning about game mechanics that they don't personally enjoy using.

Add to that a sense of self-entitlement and a victim mentality - many carebears feel that they should have the right to load up eve, undock in a valuable ship and float AFK for hours without anyone being able to bother them. When someone dares shatter this illusion - they were simply "defenseless", "helpless", "innocent", and "unarmed" and anyone that dared to fire on them was some type of internet spaceship bully or probably a bad person RL.

There's my two cents. For the TL;DR version:

"Carebears are players who seek nothing but ISK and have little to no desire to engage in any part of the game that does not further that specific goal. The carebear tends to suffer from a sense of self-entitlement and victim mentality, and is usually unwilling to embrace play styles that he or she does approve of."
Malcolm Shinhwa
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#6 - 2014-06-27 15:07:15 UTC
Industry people are not carebears. People who can't be bothered to take action to protect their assets or who want game mechanics changed so they can be free from non-consensual game play are carebears.

[i]"The purpose of fighting is to win. There is no possible victory in defense. The sword is more important than the shield and skill is more important than either. The final weapon is the brain. All else is supplemental[/i]."

DJentropy Ovaert
The Conference Elite
The Conference
#7 - 2014-06-27 15:08:34 UTC
Malcolm Shinhwa wrote:
Industry people are not carebears. People who can't be bothered to take action to protect their assets or who want game mechanics changed so they can be free from non-consensual game play are carebears.


Yup.

I know plenty of players who have never fired a single shot at another player and who only seek ISK who are totally not carebears :)
Darth Terona
Horde Vanguard.
Pandemic Horde
#8 - 2014-06-27 15:23:20 UTC
CB's are a very important part of eve online

As far as I can tell, every single isk in the game was awarded to some cb at some point for bounties and mission rewards


Without the cb, eve's money sinks would dry up the economy
Darth Terona
Horde Vanguard.
Pandemic Horde
#9 - 2014-06-27 15:24:18 UTC
Arr
DJentropy Ovaert
The Conference Elite
The Conference
#10 - 2014-06-27 15:28:43 UTC
Darth Terona wrote:
CB's are a very important part of eve online

As far as I can tell, every single isk in the game was awarded to some cb at some point for bounties and mission rewards


Without the cb, eve's money sinks would dry up the economy


Look a little harder and you will find that to not be the case in any way.
Gully Alex Foyle
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#11 - 2014-06-27 15:29:01 UTC
Carebears are players unwilling to take any risks. The worst ones would actually want all risk removed from the game.


For example, I wouldn't consider full-blown carebears:

. traders
. industrial players seeding lowsec/nullsec markets
. wormhole PVEers
. lowsec/nullsec explorers


On the other hand, I would consider PVPers that only engage with overwhelming odds to be borderline carebear. Though in PVP there's always something that can go wrong and I appreciate the fact that they're minimizing the risk by planning/intel effort (instead of whining).

Make space glamorous! Is EVE dying or not? Ask the EVE-O Death-o-meter!

Felicity Project
Pator Tech School
Minmatar Republic
#12 - 2014-06-27 15:30:31 UTC
We need to get rid of this infection once and for all ...
Gully Alex Foyle
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#13 - 2014-06-27 15:35:59 UTC  |  Edited by: Gully Alex Foyle
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Make space glamorous! Is EVE dying or not? Ask the EVE-O Death-o-meter!

Darth Terona
Horde Vanguard.
Pandemic Horde
#14 - 2014-06-27 15:36:37 UTC
How else is isk generated in eve if not missions and bounties?


Herzog Wolfhammer
Sigma Special Tactics Group
#15 - 2014-06-27 15:39:06 UTC
The term has been around for a long time.

Back in the days of the Atari 2600, cartridges (ha! Cartridges!) were sold with symbols on the packaging. If the game was easy mode, or had an easy mode, meaning younger kids could play it, the box has a symbol of a teddy bear head.

The actual "Care Bear" toy didn't come out until later, sometime in the mid 1980s (I think).


Yeah I'm old.


Bring back DEEEEP Space!

Marsha Mallow
#16 - 2014-06-27 15:46:11 UTC
Dally Lama wrote:
a 14 year old with self esteem issues and an internet based upbringing, or some 40 year old virgin who dry humps his keyboard for 22 hours a day

Still though, there are a few of these about, and their screeching is at least as bad as the carebears. We need a derogatory term for them other than l33t pvper, or basement dwelling neckbeard virgin. Pew-tard? Turbo-nerd?

Ripard Teg > For the morons in the room:

Sweets > U can dd my face any day

Kristalll
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#17 - 2014-06-27 15:54:23 UTC
Gully Alex Foyle wrote:
Carebears are players unwilling to take any risks. The worst ones would actually want all risk removed from the game.


For example, I wouldn't consider full-blown carebears:

. traders
. industrial players seeding lowsec/nullsec markets
. wormhole PVEers
. lowsec/nullsec explorers


On the other hand, I would consider PVPers that only engage with overwhelming odds to be borderline carebear. Though in PVP there's always something that can go wrong and I appreciate the fact that they're minimizing the risk by planning/intel effort (instead of whining).


my two man wardec corp has been called cowards even though we have hundreds of war targets at a single time. Just because we play in a way that maximizes our success, they think we're cowards while they only voluntarily engage us with 8+ guys.

“Die trying” is the proudest human thing.

Kristalll
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#18 - 2014-06-27 15:56:04 UTC
Darth Terona wrote:
How else is isk generated in eve if not missions and bounties?




Blue loot.

What you seem to have missed though is the idea that mission runnera are not de facto, carebears. Carebears are a different breed.

“Die trying” is the proudest human thing.

Paranoid Loyd
#19 - 2014-06-27 16:14:25 UTC  |  Edited by: Paranoid Loyd
Darth Terona wrote:
How else is isk generated in eve if not missions and bounties?




You take it from Carebears or anyone else foolish enough to not properly protect their assets.

"There is only one authority in this game, and that my friend is violence. The supreme authority upon which all other authority is derived." ISD Max Trix

Fix the Prospect!

Celise Katelo
State War Academy
Caldari State
#20 - 2014-06-27 16:29:55 UTC
I'm more like a "Butterfly" i attack like a "bumblebee" P

'Float like a butterfly sting like a bee - his hands can't hit what his eyes can't see.'
― Muhammad Ali (Cassius Clay)

“The bee is domesticated but not tamed.”
― William Longgood



"Just like the butterfly, I too will awaken in my own time for some pvp"
― Celise Katelo


"I'm happy to bumblebee about, level 4 security missions for me, explore like a butterfly land like a bee, buy/sell stuff in different stations / locations for free. Anyone decides to fire at me, or choose to ninja ship wreck me, i tend to sting back rather hard like a bee. My sting does not kill me, i'm a butterfly not a bee, i like to be free"
― Celise Katelo

"Carebears just wanna be free like me, in the ocean of the sea & the galaxy of Eden we shall be free, shall the stars light our paths for some pvp. In the meadow of our minds, let us conjure such devine's."
― Celise Katelo







EVEBoard ...Just over 60million skill points, each skill was chosen for a reason. I closed my eyes & clicked another skill to train... "BINGO...!!!" ... "This time i got something usefull"

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