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Crosi Wesdo
War and Order
#21 - 2014-06-27 10:31:19 UTC  |  Edited by: Crosi Wesdo
Yuri Antollare wrote:

Again though I'm not on 24 hours a day so not saying we didnt lose some fights, just it wasn't my take away impression.

Also, you brought up the AU tz issue in the document, but it never brought up the proposed answer, please, I'm curious :)


In truth we did struggle to effectively and efficiently engage squid crapacal fleet. Mainly due to no one being asked to supply a specific solution. Thankfully CQB found a moa osprey solution they had somehow lost down the back of their corp hangers sofa.

Uninterestingly, as the bulk of our US guys logged off squids would only get stronger. We really had no option but to disengage in the early AU tz. Well, i did have 2 venture alts completing plexes in enaluri that night from under the nose of a 50 man caldari BS/Bc fleet who seemed more interested in bashing structures to line up another slaughter of RZR.

Speaking of RZR, can someone explain to me how, when we dropped a rev in pyne the other day to blap a squid chimmy. When RZR got there with 25 ishtards and 2 broadswords, did they not infinipoint the rev instead of pulling range? Our kitchen sink wasnt exactly going to hold up lol. RZR has to be the worst entity operating in black rise currently.

Veskrashen wrote:
IbanezLaney wrote:
If he can organize their derpy masses and stop them fail fitting - you frogs might have a fight on your hands.

We eagerly await that day. Until then, we'll pay our dues at the school of hard knocks, picking fights with the local neutral crews. Should be interesting to see what happens when the pendulum starts to swing again.


The pendulum was removed last patch.

Epikurus wrote:

The fact that you interpreted this in this way is interesting. We were actually sitting in the larges and mediums looking for more practice with the cruiser doctrine. I'm not sure why you thought we were baiting at this point but it does explain why you didn't come and play during this period. Obviously, baiting in plexes would have been entirely counter-productive to our aims for the weekend.


Well, the fact that RZR was sat on the aki gate in icho for about an hour and later on the ena gate in aki for a short while while you guys ran only larges would somewhat contradict your impression of the situation.

Epikurus wrote:
You guys are able to do great work slowing us down when you are outnumbered and that is something we really need to emulate (and which connects to the AU tz stuff below). Item 77b on the 'to do' list.


Yep, ill take credit for FC;ing that afternoon. Was resally pleased our guys that were on were following direction with the minimum of derp. With the exception of a few idiots that wanted to take 2 logi and a cruiser into a large. ISK cant buy braincells i guess.

Was denying you the ability to sit in plexes without losing more timers than you gained due to your unwillingness to split forces.. All was going well until the fleet decided it was going to be more fun forming for 2 hours in cruisers under guiynan to fight you guys head on. Lost a lot of plexes there waiting for numbers and ships. Later too when chuck took the fleet on a roam only to find nothing then 2 hours later wind up in enaluri fighting squids :/

Contested rates shot up due to peoples silly notions on what particular type of pixels they prefer to make asspload.
Silverbackyererse
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#22 - 2014-06-27 10:32:02 UTC
For the AU TZ issue...........

You just gotta place a six pack of stubbies at the warp-in of each and every plex that spawns post DT.

Don't cheap out and use VB though. That just attracts the Minmatar catalyst alts like flies around ****. Blink

Chuck a couple of F(r)eddo's into the mix with some quality grog and b4 you know it you're a few % to the good.

Too easy!
Epikurus
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#23 - 2014-06-27 10:57:40 UTC
Crosi Wesdo wrote:


Epikurus wrote:

The fact that you interpreted this in this way is interesting. We were actually sitting in the larges and mediums looking for more practice with the cruiser doctrine. I'm not sure why you thought we were baiting at this point but it does explain why you didn't come and play during this period. Obviously, baiting in plexes would have been entirely counter-productive to our aims for the weekend.


Well, the fact that RZR was sat on the aki gate in icho for about an hour and later on the ena gate in aki for a short while while you guys ran only larges would somewhat contradict your impression of the situation.


Not everything RZR does is connected to CalMil. They have minds (of sorts) of their own and their gate camps were a surprise to us when we ran through them to reship. I suspect that they were just attracted to the area by the fights, as Waffles had been the night before. In any case, you don't bait by having the response force sitting out in the open in plain sight for an hour - there are Titans for that sort of thing.
Crosi Wesdo
War and Order
#24 - 2014-06-27 11:04:08 UTC
Epikurus wrote:
Crosi Wesdo wrote:


Epikurus wrote:

The fact that you interpreted this in this way is interesting. We were actually sitting in the larges and mediums looking for more practice with the cruiser doctrine. I'm not sure why you thought we were baiting at this point but it does explain why you didn't come and play during this period. Obviously, baiting in plexes would have been entirely counter-productive to our aims for the weekend.


Well, the fact that RZR was sat on the aki gate in icho for about an hour and later on the ena gate in aki for a short while while you guys ran only larges would somewhat contradict your impression of the situation.


Not everything RZR does is connected to CalMil. They have minds (of sorts) of their own and their gate camps were a surprise to us when we ran through them to reship. I suspect that they were just attracted to the area by the fights, as Waffles had been the night before. In any case, you don't bait by having the response force sitting out in the open in plain sight for an hour - there are Titans for that sort of thing.


Im not sayng you are lying. Im just saying you are a bit ignorant. If you think you called them or not, it still prevented a fight in the larges since they are blue to you, had eyes in system and direction from mira (god help them).
ALUCARD 1208
Naga's Be Trippin
#25 - 2014-06-27 11:06:44 UTC  |  Edited by: ALUCARD 1208
Epikurus wrote:
In any case, you don't bait by having the response force sitting out in the open in plain sight for an hour - there are Titans for that sort of thing.


jup cos cynos can be lit for rzr in plexes.... you claim there not with you guys but seem to be in the area erry time u guys grow a set of balls and field nething bigger than a cruiser.... coincidence im sureRoll

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Epikurus
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#26 - 2014-06-27 11:18:16 UTC
ALUCARD 1208 wrote:
Epikurus wrote:
In any case, you don't bait by having the response force sitting out in the open in plain sight for an hour - there are Titans for that sort of thing.


jup cos cynos can be lit for rzr in plexes.... you claim there not with you guys but seem to be in the area erry time u guys grow a set of balls and field nething bigger than a cruiser.... coincidence im sureRoll


It doesn't really matter where the cyno is lit, does it? There is no need to light a cyno in a plex to make bridging in a response force a far more effective way to gank than having them sit in plain sight for an hour.

Also - your writing ... it burns Ugh

Crosi Wesdo wrote:

If you think you called them or not, it still prevented a fight in the larges since they are blue to you, had eyes in system and direction from mira (god help them).


Possible, I guess, but rather unfortunate if so. I would hope Mira wouldn't do something like that behind everyone else's back.

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Im not saying you are lying. Im just saying you are a bit ignorant.


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ALUCARD 1208
Naga's Be Trippin
#27 - 2014-06-27 11:59:24 UTC  |  Edited by: ALUCARD 1208
I see you didnt get my point it didnt matter whether or not they were titan humping or sat on that gate we knew they were coming due to the fact of spys / and you guys bringing out bigger toys (which was a clear indication)

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Epikurus
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#28 - 2014-06-27 12:11:08 UTC
ALUCARD 1208 wrote:
I see you didnt get my point it didnt matter whether or not they were titan humping or sat on that gate we knew they were coming due to the fact of spys / and you guys bringing out bigger toys (which was a clear indication)


Both you and your spies seem to have got your intel confused. The bigger toys and support came out later for the POCO bashes. Both were discussed while we were sitting in the plexes but neither were for the plexes. I can understand why you might have misconnected the dots but at the time the RZR fleet was gate camping we had nothing bigger than cruisers on field and nothing larger came out at any point other than during the short bash fleet.
Nat Silverguard
Aideron Robotics
Aideron Robotics.
#29 - 2014-06-27 12:30:24 UTC
So when will Conoco. and Drenai Warriors rejoin CalMil again? :D

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Andre Vauban
Federal Defense Union
Gallente Federation
#30 - 2014-06-27 12:53:38 UTC
Epikurus wrote:
ALUCARD 1208 wrote:
I see you didnt get my point it didnt matter whether or not they were titan humping or sat on that gate we knew they were coming due to the fact of spys / and you guys bringing out bigger toys (which was a clear indication)


Both you and your spies seem to have got your intel confused. The bigger toys and support came out later for the POCO bashes. Both were discussed while we were sitting in the plexes but neither were for the plexes. I can understand why you might have misconnected the dots but at the time the RZR fleet was gate camping we had nothing bigger than cruisers on field and nothing larger came out at any point other than during the short bash fleet.


I would much rather return to old times to where Gallente and Caldari would blue up to kill "outsiders" that interfere with our ability to bash each other over the head. It is much more fun.

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Shad owLord
VOLTAGE REGULATORS
#31 - 2014-06-27 13:16:01 UTC
Yun Kuai wrote:
So the squids starting appearing all over the war zone and we're finally getting numbers, and I say very lightly, some confidence to fight. Waffles comes back and after one to two days all the squids are gone like leaves scattered in the wind. The biologist are saying this is a sever epidemic that could have left the squids once again in the endangered species list.

All jokes aside, what happened to all the squid entities. You guys were finally getting together, making friends, and starting to actually support one another. Now, I'm lucky to find a solid number of you guys out and about...WTB pew pew that isn't just pirate groups



In no particular order

1. RL Summertime for most of our members so attendance is down (World Cup, Vacations etc etc.)
2. Those that are here are finding it increasingly difficult to earn isk in FW due to the last changes, as the Galls hold most (if not all) of the FW mission hubs and to quote Crosi "The pendulum was removed last patch" which especially with reduced numbers (see 1.) means we have little realistic chances of getting any of them back anytime soon means many of those that are still here are now off on alts in Null or Incursion fleets.
3. When we do manage to get Frig/Dessie/Cruiser fleets or gangs together , lately you have been countering with T2 Hac's and Logi's. We currently cannot compete with these, not that we don't want to but 80% of Calmil don't have the SP to even get in them. Its something were addressing but it is going to take a considerable time to rectify.

TL;DR If you 'WTB more pew pew' as you put it bring out stuff thats comparable to what we can field at present and we will fight you all day long.

Stalence
Caldari Colonial Defense Ministry
Templis CALSF
#32 - 2014-06-27 13:49:27 UTC
I can confirm that our active numbers have been down lately as well. While I know travel and vacations are a part of that, I think that the plex changes and return of WAFFLES have been the real issue though… at least with the casual pilots within Templis.

The increased difficulty in offensive plexing, our low tier, and perpetual station and gate camps in Kinakka by WAFFLES and PL have been a deterrent to our casual guys and I just don’t see as many of them logging in and fleeting up lately.

Seeing fewer and fewer pilots in alliance to fleet-up on any given night has also been a bit demoralizing to the guys who are still left. With smaller numbers and constant harassment by larger WAFFLE and Gal fleets, we’ve opted to ninja plex and take small-gang fights where we can before a WAFFLE blob descends upon us.

All that said, the core of Templis is still fighting the good fight. Leadership and many of our top pilots are still active. If you’re not seeing us out and about doing the same roams through your systems that you came to expect its more than likely because we don’t have to go much further than our undock to get a fleet fight these days.

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X Gallentius
Black Eagle1
#33 - 2014-06-27 14:16:01 UTC  |  Edited by: X Gallentius
"WAFFLE blob", "roflblob" - I get it now. WAFFLE is the "Elmer Fudd" version of ROFL!
Crosi Wesdo
War and Order
#34 - 2014-06-27 14:32:05 UTC  |  Edited by: Crosi Wesdo
Epikurus wrote:

Possible, I guess, but rather unfortunate if so. I would hope Mira wouldn't do something like that behind everyone else's back.


Ask mira how many times he has been on our comms trying to weasel some sort of RZR drop on snuff or some other neutrals (and us in the process no doubt, the dude comes across as very untrustworthy to me).

Epikurus wrote:
the RZR fleet was gate camping


In high-sec? I may not be up to date with my high sec mechanics but my understanding is that would be doing it wrong. For an hour. 1 skip and a jump from enaluri. lol.
Stalking Mantis
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#35 - 2014-06-27 14:37:12 UTC
and this ladies and gentleman......is exactly why you shouldn't blob the living day lights out of everyone you see......sooner or later you get these threads.

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Gully Alex Foyle
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#36 - 2014-06-27 14:46:24 UTC  |  Edited by: Gully Alex Foyle
Stalking Mantis wrote:
and this ladies and gentleman......is exactly why you shouldn't blob the living day lights out of everyone you see......sooner or later you get these threads.
Except that in 9 months fighting for the Federation, I never witnessed GalMil refusing to fight. Not even against the TEST locusts. Worst case: grab derptrons, harass, die gloriously (and ISK-efficiently).

If I correctly interpreted your post as GalMil blobing CalMil.


EDIT: also, thanks for your Avenging Angels thread. I've never been in your warzone, but it was a great read!

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Stalking Mantis
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#37 - 2014-06-27 15:05:16 UTC
Just go easy on the kids is all I'm saying.

No joke I'm at the point of my eve career that if I kill a ship that is t1 fit I feel bad about it.

Amarr Liason Officer Extraordinare -->Check Out Amarrian Vengeance/Amarr FW History from 2011 to 2014 https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=352629&find=unread
Epikurus
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#38 - 2014-06-27 15:09:59 UTC
Crosi Wesdo wrote:

Epikurus wrote:
the RZR fleet was gate camping


In high-sec? I may not be up to date with my high sec mechanics but my understanding is that would be doing it wrong. For an hour. 1 skip and a jump from enaluri. lol.


How much of that period were they actually in high-sec for? I know it wasn't all the time as we lost a cruiser to them in Aki and killboards show them getting some other fights there.

Perhaps you're right though. It just seems like a bizarre way of 'hiding' while someone baits for you.
X Gallentius
Black Eagle1
#39 - 2014-06-27 15:15:02 UTC  |  Edited by: X Gallentius
Stalking Mantis wrote:
No joke I'm at the point of my eve career that if I kill a ship that is t1 fit I feel bad about it.

If I kill a T2-fit ship with my T1 fit derp atron I feel good about it. Full circle!
ALUCARD 1208
Naga's Be Trippin
#40 - 2014-06-27 16:12:28 UTC
Shad owLord wrote:


1. RL Summertime for most of our members so attendance is down (World Cup, Vacations etc etc.)



when innia fell wasn't it school and hols and now the summertime, ill complete my excuse bingo card with 2 more

1) cos autumn (leaves falling off the trees and everyone's out watching that)
2) cos winter (and Santa clause)

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