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So what's keeping you from moving to Null Sec

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Sentamon
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#61 - 2014-06-27 06:44:43 UTC
Varathius wrote:
I guess some people just never learn that there are jump clones in the game.


Didn't you blue all of them too?

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Dave Stark
#62 - 2014-06-27 07:08:14 UTC
Saraki Ishikela wrote:
ALSO What are other reasons that YOU may not have gone to Null Sec etc.


the fact that there's 0 reason to do so.
Serene Repose
#63 - 2014-06-27 07:17:15 UTC
I don't really feel obliged in anyway to play in null sec. I also don't acknowledge when others start doing my thinking for me, and I especially bristle when I'm told how things are supposed to be. I don't know how I got this way. I probably read too much Orwell.

We must accommodate the idiocracy.

Hypercake Mix
#64 - 2014-06-27 07:17:25 UTC
Time.
Ramona McCandless
Silent Vale
LinkNet
#65 - 2014-06-27 07:18:56 UTC
Serene Repose wrote:
I especially bristle when I'm told how things are supposed to be. I don't know how I got this way. I probably read too much Orwell.


I got it from reading Steinbeck.

It bred a healthy hatred of Steinbeck, and an almost psychopathic hatred of Orwell

Fascist dupe that he was

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Aralyn Cormallen
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#66 - 2014-06-27 07:24:08 UTC  |  Edited by: Aralyn Cormallen
Since I'm fairly chilled this morning, I'll try answering some of the more common reasons.

Nolak Ataru wrote:
Everyone and their mother gatecamping the highsec to low/null gates. If there was a way to bridge me from highsec into the next lowsec system in a random location in the system, I'd do it without hesitating.

To be fair, thats something you only have to breach once, then with ships located in your base area and jump clones, you never need to cross the camps again. Even that first time isn't so hard, we actually recommend new members (err, the real recruits, not the ermm, special cases Smile) to set their clone to our stations and pod themselves out there.

Arec Bardwin wrote:
I have a strong dislike for being told what to do by snotty nerds. I prefer to ninja exploration content in null, I see no reason to join any 'serious business' null organizations.

This is a bit unfair. Sure, some FC's are arses, theres no denying it, but that isn't an exclusively nullsec problem. But if you don't like flying with someone, don't, no-one is going to force you. There are several CFC FC's I wont fly under, but there are many, many more to choose from, each with their own styles, quirks, and character. There are many in our coalition who are quite openly hostile about some FC's, but other guys love the same people, it just depends what you like. And if your problem is the guys in charge of the alliance (again, not exclusively a nullsec problem), just awox your way to freedom and sign up with the opposition!

Brea Lafail wrote:

It's this for me. I'm pretty sure I actually get more isk/hr doing lvl4s than 0.0 anoms due to constant interruptions, and with less risk.

Funny - when we say that, we get called liars Big smile

To Be Continued Big smile
Aralyn Cormallen
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#67 - 2014-06-27 07:24:56 UTC  |  Edited by: Aralyn Cormallen
Lord LazyGhost wrote:
The slide show that is large fleet combat

True, but if that isn't your cup of tea, there are alternatives. Our organisation has social groups for Black ops pilots, covert hotdroppers, and small gang fighters (some guys practically live in Syndicate). Even when the big set-pieces are going on, there is frequently reinforcement harrassment and other ways to get involved for those who dont want to be in 10% TiDi.

Nevyn Auscent wrote:
CTA's because I don't have a good time zone or reliable play time. Also the current state of Sov/Blue Doughnut is unappealing. But mainly I just don't have the time to put in that null alliances demand.

As i said above, big fleet-fights isn't the only way to play out in sov nullsec, and some options are more considerate of time restraints than others. Sure, the big strategic operations might be a no-go for people on limited or unpredictable schedules, but there are countless other ops that run to shorter length, or use more disposable ships (or ones that are easier to bring home unassisted like Interceptors or Bombers), so if you have to drop out halfway (which no-one will ever stop you, or "mark you down" for doing), you aren't stuck trying to extract a Battleship from hostile space.

Also, if you don't like the way nullsec currently is, try to help change it! There are many organisations currently waiting to make their play and step back in to null (the surviors of the -A- and Russian blocks for one), and take a piece out of whichever half of the current space kicked them out. Give them some love, they are in need of it. But if that's too much underdog for you, there are many nullsec "predator" alliances whose lifestyle is making the big guys lives difficult; we have many preying on us - Black Legion, MoA, Triumvirate, the Fountain Core guys, Pasta, to name but a few, and I'm sure N3PL have their own share of predators in their space too.

Saraki Ishikela wrote:
Sounds like i've already made the right choice to live in low sec haha

In defence to most of the guys who have posted, a lot clearly have first-hand knowledge, and it didn't jive with them. Thats cool, we can't all like the same things. But some are just regurgitating the misconceptions of others. And bare in mind, a lot of things people have brought up will be reasons why some people enjoy Nullsec; for example, Ramona's point about not being able to freely use stations is a big draw for me, since I find the asset-denial aspect a big part of control of space, and consider the effort required to ensure safe storage of ships in a way that means I don't lose all my wealth in one screw-up part of what makes null for me, and would not find it half as fun without it.

Honestly, you'll never know unless you give it a whirl. If you don't want to try, thats fine, particularly if you are happy where you are. But if you are tempted, what do you have to lose by giving it a try?
Arkady Romanov
Whole Squid
#68 - 2014-06-27 07:47:17 UTC
Stop trying to recruit people who don't want to come to null in the first place. We've got enough malcontented pubbies as it is.

Whole Squid: Get Inked.

Infrequent
Tidal Lock
Vapor-Lock
#69 - 2014-06-27 07:50:35 UTC
I've found from experience that the majority of issues people are pointing out in this thread are down to their lack of initiative, lazyness, bad decision making and/or ignorance.

However, to answer the OP, I was once in null but now I'm dabbling in the life of a merc.
Inxentas Ultramar
Ultramar Independent Contracting
#70 - 2014-06-27 08:06:59 UTC
Things like Aralyn Cormallen's blatant and annoying propaganda are keeping me from nullsec.
Herzog Wolfhammer
Sigma Special Tactics Group
#71 - 2014-06-27 08:13:57 UTC
Time is what keeps people out.

Bring back DEEEEP Space!

Aralyn Cormallen
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#72 - 2014-06-27 08:17:48 UTC
Inxentas Ultramar wrote:
Things like Aralyn Cormallen's blatant and annoying propaganda are keeping me from nullsec.


See, problems like this are easily fixed - there are plenty of organisations you can join if you want to shoot me! Hell, as a WIdot pubbie, you can join our side and make disparaging comments my way freely all day long, and fit right in.

Sad
Ramona McCandless
Silent Vale
LinkNet
#73 - 2014-06-27 08:21:04 UTC
Inxentas Ultramar wrote:
Things like Aralyn Cormallen's blatant and annoying propaganda are keeping me from nullsec.


Quick question

Do you like the artwork of Timothy Bradstreet?

"Yea, some dude came in and was normal for first couple months, so I gave him director." - Sean Dunaway

"A singular character could be hired to penetrate another corps space... using gorilla like tactics..." - Chane Morgann

Grunanca
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#74 - 2014-06-27 08:23:00 UTC
Saraki Ishikela wrote:
So I was talking with a few friends today that play the game. We're all in different corps and have different play styles. One is a High Sec Carebear, I prefer low sec exploration etc.

I'm certainly not risk averse and my friend asked me why I've never ventured into null sec. And to me it's the logistics. I'm terrified of the process of buying ships, modules, skill books easily and quickly. I certainly don't mind losing ships but I want to know I can replace them easily and keep playing.

To me having to wait a few days to buy a new ship or resupply seems really unappealing depending on your alliances logistics infrastructure. Or having to pay Black Frog 100m+ to jump supplies to you, and what if they can't dock at your station. It all seems like a nightmare and is very prohibitive to game play.

For what is supposed to be the aspiration for most players to get to, it seems very counter intuitive to the newer player. I don't have market alts, or multiple accounts or a logistics alt etc.

I was just wondering how unfounded is my concern?

ALSO What are other reasons that YOU may not have gone to Null Sec etc.


Short answer: Low sec is way more fun and you dont have to worry about your pod as long as you are smart about it.
Ryder 'ook
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#75 - 2014-06-27 08:26:06 UTC
Living at an interface between high, low and null, having access to all three, I don't see a reason for it.

Best of all worlds...

Every atom in our bodies was forged in the furnace of ancient stars - it's time we return home.

Ka'Narlist
Dreddit
Test Alliance Please Ignore
#76 - 2014-06-27 08:35:40 UTC
Quote:
So what's keeping you from moving to Null Sec

nothing
Marcus Gord
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#77 - 2014-06-27 08:37:13 UTC
for me, it's probably that i prefer being in a small group and knowing everyone in it. see my response in the 'what must a corp have' thread. i need a feel of 'home' that i can't see myself finding in null.

also, i'm in the uk, which seems to be a crappy timezone for large group work. i've seen it in other games too. it's like british people don't like working together in big groups. every large group i've been in, in every game, was run by Americans, and mostly made up of Americans, which is a terrible timezone for me. 3am fleets on a work night? not happening.

i tried npc null once (syndicate, i know, i know) but i'm thinking it didn't work for me due to the alliance being on a different timezone for fleets, and the people who did play during my timezone were russian.

i'm happy where i am now though Smile

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Jack Hayson
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#78 - 2014-06-27 08:41:45 UTC
Cynos and TiDi fights.

Oh, and because w-space is way cooler.
l0rd carlos
the king asked me to guard the mountain
#79 - 2014-06-27 08:44:10 UTC
My Corp is not in null sec. I want to live where my friends are.

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Felicity Love
Doomheim
#80 - 2014-06-27 08:57:27 UTC  |  Edited by: Felicity Love
Varathius wrote:
I guess some people just never learn that there are jump clones in the game.


... ahhhhhhh, it's so sweet you think we give a rats ass. Roll

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