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So what's keeping you from moving to Null Sec

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TigerXtrm
KarmaFleet
Goonswarm Federation
#21 - 2014-06-26 23:16:11 UTC
Bullshit politics, CTA's and never being able to settle down for a longer period of time.

Although I suppose that last one is sort of outdated since hardly any big hostile landgrabs occur anymore Straight

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Victor Andall
#22 - 2014-06-26 23:18:01 UTC
Uh...grr Goons?

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Frank Truck
ACME Mineral and Gas
#23 - 2014-06-26 23:18:24 UTC
Naraish Adarn wrote:
wormhole space i find it infinitely more entertaining than null-sec.


Without local, no, that cannot be.

This thread is now a remove local thread.Pirate
Dhaq
Doomheim
#24 - 2014-06-26 23:36:22 UTC
Frank Truck wrote:
Naraish Adarn wrote:
wormhole space i find it infinitely more entertaining than null-sec.


Without local, no, that cannot be.

This thread is now a remove local thread.Pirate


Wait, wouldn't that be a nerf AFK cloaking thread? If you can't see them in local you dont have to worry about them.
Lord LazyGhost
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#25 - 2014-06-26 23:46:32 UTC
The slide show that is large fleet combat
Scipio Artelius
Weaponised Vegemite
Flying Dangerous
#26 - 2014-06-26 23:47:26 UTC  |  Edited by: Scipio Artelius
Saraki Ishikela wrote:
I'm certainly not risk averse and my friend asked me why I've never ventured into null sec. And to me it's the logistics. I'm terrified of the process of buying ships, modules, skill books easily and quickly. I certainly don't mind losing ships but I want to know I can replace them easily and keep playing...

I was just wondering how unfounded is my concern?

From my experience, the logistics of nullsec is relatively easy to prepare for. I'll qualify the rest of my answer by declaring that my nullsec activities take place in Syndicate, which has easy access back to highsec.

I currently have 2 characters living permanently in nullsec. One industrial alt running PI and manufacturing; and one exploration/anom/sig running alt who helps gather resources and components that are needed for my manufacturing operations.

Aside from exploration currently being very competitive since the release of Kronos, I find it more profitable to explore in nullsec than lowsec.

Logistically these 2 characters pose a couple of problems:

1. how to supply them with replacement ships, skillbooks, consumables (ammo and drones); and
2. how to shift finished products to highsec markets

However, these don't really pose much of a challenge. I have them based only 6 jumps from a highsec regional market (Stacmon), which is also only a couple of minutes jumping to Dodixie if needed.

For both of them, they make the slow trip through star gates using cloaked ships, with a good set of bookmarks (MHC - Harroule gate tends to be the only real issue). I have never lost a ship travelling that way.

If I have to bring in any additional ships that are not cloaky, then I cyno direct to and from Dastryns, which connects to Stacmon.

Between the 2 characters, it only adds a few minutes to jump through to Dastryns/nullsec, swap ships and light the cyno.

While my industry alt is 15 days away from flying an Anshar, we also have Corp logistics with jump freighters if needed.

In reality though, between the 2 characters I can manage all of the logistics whenever I need something; and mostly I manage it ok with just 1 online.

On the need for replacement ships, my exploration alt flies a Stratios and has never even come close to losing it (touch wood). If you have a good set of bookmarks or make midwarp bookmarks when you are in a new system and just want to pass through, you can manage the risks of nullsec easily. Jumping into a bubble is about the only problem, but that's where the ingame map, dotlan and killboards come in handy; along with good knowledge of the people who live around me and when they are normally online.

To consolidate the logistics, my explo alt trades all loot, salvage and reprocessed minerals to my industry alt, who then more frequently heads out to highsec to sell overseer's personal effects, faction modules, etc. since that character is usually hauling some products to sell anyway.
ashley Eoner
#27 - 2014-06-26 23:49:54 UTC
Time...


I don't have it like I used to and that means I don't have enough to be a null drone.

The large scale battles get boring and the small scale ones don't happen enough.
Chopper Rollins
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#28 - 2014-06-26 23:56:56 UTC
Marsha Mallow wrote:
Anyone nervous about leaving highsec due to logistics should just spend a few weeks in empire during a wardec, then lowsec, then an NPC null area, or a wormhole. After that a well organised null alliance seems like a holiday tbh, even compared to Empire logistics.


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Nevyn Auscent
Broke Sauce
#29 - 2014-06-27 00:00:38 UTC
CTA's because I don't have a good time zone or reliable play time. Also the current state of Sov/Blue Doughnut is unappealing. But mainly I just don't have the time to put in that null alliances demand.
Caleb Seremshur
Bloodhorn
Patchwork Freelancers
#30 - 2014-06-27 00:19:28 UTC
I tried null. It's at a state where I felt like the complaints we hear from modern militaries. Just waiting around until the next big fight.

It didn't help with me being in the wrong timezone I'd log on to the tail end of an op every single time. I never answered ctas as work comes first and frankly **** your space empire. I wanted to participate but regrettably I was consigned to belt ratting as my daily activity and the boredom in it was punctuated by the loss of my golem to a 6-man group with ogb and all the duffs. Why even bother I asked myself? And the answer I heard was "hodor".
Seraph Essael
Air
The Initiative.
#31 - 2014-06-27 00:24:45 UTC
Erica Dusette wrote:
Saraki Ishikela wrote:
ALSO What are other reasons that YOU may not have gone to Null Sec etc.

Local chat, stations and stargates.


^

I do like wormholes.

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Sentamon
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#32 - 2014-06-27 00:26:13 UTC
The fear the CCP will admit their SOV failure and delete it all, along with everyone in it.

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Doreen Kaundur
#33 - 2014-06-27 00:29:05 UTC
Im a solo player and null is not friendly to solo players. Your choice of ships is limited because a cloak is a necessity and WTZ doesnt help because of warp bubbles.

I really want to run missions in null, but I cant see doing it without being continually podded.

I stay mostly in low sec.

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Remy Nolen
Sama Guild
#34 - 2014-06-27 00:38:53 UTC
easy when talking about sov space:
1) Lack of actual PVE;
No mission hubs
Boring ratting
Sporadic exploration
2) Very few individual activities that can't be found elsewhere
3) Politics
4) The real money, Moon goo, is usually unavailable to the grunts. Especially the profitable kind.
5) Terrible/Capital intensive logistics.
6) It's boring as **** 85% of the time
7) Way too busy the other 15%
8) Better/Easier isk making opportunities everywhere else.

When you realize you spend most of your active time outside your space then actually living in it; what's the point of the fracking
Felicity Love
Doomheim
#35 - 2014-06-27 00:41:52 UTC  |  Edited by: Felicity Love
Null can't and doesn't offer me anything I can't do elsewhere... aka, the freedom to come, go and do as I please.

I mine, mission, hunt, dock, go AFK, build stuff, trade... WHERE and WHEN I want.

Null... doesn't even come close.

Sooner or later I have to have somebody else's "permission" or "approval", tacit or otherwise, to so much as undock, fart, change my knickers or just kick back AFK, go cloaky and knock back the cold ones.

No phukkin' thanks.

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Remiel Pollard
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#36 - 2014-06-27 00:43:48 UTC
I did go to nul.

It was boring as hell.

So I went back to high & low.

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Mallak Azaria
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#37 - 2014-06-27 00:45:15 UTC
The nullsec RMT cartels.

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Saraki Ishikela
Perkone
Caldari State
#38 - 2014-06-27 00:46:26 UTC
Sounds like i've already made the right choice to live in low sec haha

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Scion Lex
LEX Investments
#39 - 2014-06-27 00:57:10 UTC
My lack of a jf, excessive rental fees for what I want to do and the inherent instability......and the lack of a market in many cases. Null intrigues the hell out of me, but its not profitable from my position given the entry barrier+rent. Leaving my corp isn't an option. I'll have to wait until feel like tossing 2b out of a window every month.
Tauranon
Weeesearch
CAStabouts
#40 - 2014-06-27 01:27:43 UTC
Scion Lex wrote:
My lack of a jf, excessive rental fees for what I want to do and the inherent instability......and the lack of a market in many cases. Null intrigues the hell out of me, but its not profitable from my position given the entry barrier+rent. Leaving my corp isn't an option. I'll have to wait until feel like tossing 2b out of a window every month.


My rent is 1.5B, a moon covers 300m of it, PI can cover 300m more for me a month with just 1 character (if I could be bothered), there is at least 2.5b in miniprof and ded signatures spawn up in a month, all of those tasks earn more than ratting in a subcap per hour, given that I don't have to search systems for them, I just do them when they spawn up in mine, and rat in the time that other explorers would be moving around searching for signatures so think of the ratting component as probing at 75m/hr (and it does actually perform the probing task when you trigger an escalation).

One of the CFC jumpfreighter services serves Vale, and they drop off/pick up next door to me, and I've rented this system for 8 months straight now, which is about as stable as you could hope for.

ie I've always found the economics of reserving a null system for a single pilot via renting to work out pretty good.