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So what's keeping you from moving to Null Sec

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Saraki Ishikela
Perkone
Caldari State
#1 - 2014-06-26 22:03:42 UTC
So I was talking with a few friends today that play the game. We're all in different corps and have different play styles. One is a High Sec Carebear, I prefer low sec exploration etc.

I'm certainly not risk averse and my friend asked me why I've never ventured into null sec. And to me it's the logistics. I'm terrified of the process of buying ships, modules, skill books easily and quickly. I certainly don't mind losing ships but I want to know I can replace them easily and keep playing.

To me having to wait a few days to buy a new ship or resupply seems really unappealing depending on your alliances logistics infrastructure. Or having to pay Black Frog 100m+ to jump supplies to you, and what if they can't dock at your station. It all seems like a nightmare and is very prohibitive to game play.

For what is supposed to be the aspiration for most players to get to, it seems very counter intuitive to the newer player. I don't have market alts, or multiple accounts or a logistics alt etc.

I was just wondering how unfounded is my concern?

ALSO What are other reasons that YOU may not have gone to Null Sec etc.

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virm pasuul
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#2 - 2014-06-26 22:06:47 UTC
I prefer the inherent danger of Highsec. 0.0 is for wusses.
Abrazzar
Vardaugas Family
#3 - 2014-06-26 22:07:03 UTC
I'm a non-combatant and a loner, plus it annoys me having to go through all those additional steps needed to avoid getting on the same grid as a hostile.
Aralyn Cormallen
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#4 - 2014-06-26 22:11:28 UTC  |  Edited by: Aralyn Cormallen
Any organised nullsec will have their own internal logistics guys running Jump Freighter services, and besides, there will always be someone stocking your home system with the essentials, and if the alliance has set doctrines, someone will be setting up contracts of doctrine ships (and if not, well, congratulations, you've just found a really easy way to make lots of money!). I've been in Nullsec for four years, and getting hold of ships has never been a problem (sure, sometimes you will have to eat a nasty mark-up, but thats life). Depending where your "home" is out in space, it might not even be too hard to physically fly the ships you need out (I did this for every ship I had the first six months in null since I didn't know about Jump Freighter services!); granted, this is time-consuming and a little dangerous, but take it from someone who knows, it teaches you a lot about how to travel while evading hostiles, and the importance of safes, insta-undocks, gate perches, and interpreting intel!

Skillbooks is more tricky, but you'll want Jump Clones out in null anyway, so make sure you have one set up in highsec, and at a worst-case scenario, you can jump to your highsec clone to buy and inject as you need.
Cazador 64
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#5 - 2014-06-26 22:12:05 UTC  |  Edited by: Cazador 64
I think everyone should start in Hi sec but in time Move to Null or WH space. I used to be that guy that never went to low sec now you are lucky to catch me in hi sec once every 3 months.
I do not have problems replacing ships or finding the things I need.

If there is something I can not find like a skill book take the 20 minutes and take a ceptor to jita
Marsha Mallow
#6 - 2014-06-26 22:27:06 UTC  |  Edited by: Marsha Mallow
Aralyn Cormallen wrote:
Any organised nullsec will have their own internal logistics guys running Jump Freighter services, and besides, there will always be someone stocking your home system with the essentials, and if the alliance has set doctrines, someone will be setting up contracts of doctrine ships (and if not, well, congratulations, you've just found a really easy way to make lots of money!). I've been in Nullsec for four years, and getting hold of ships has never been a problem (sure, sometimes you will have to eat a nasty mark-up, but thats life).

This. Even if you take a small corp of poor players out of empire who don't have JFs you can talk to other friendlies and get logistics help (even small things like scouts/cynos are useful). A lot of people start out with suitcase carriers initially to be self sufficient - it works at a corp or solo level. Plenty of people live in null without ever having owned a JF, or even being particularly wealthy.

Even though null sov is fairly stable at the moment there are also always people returning to game and firesaling fitted ships on contracts in stations they can't get to, and in NPC regions if they are relocating. Once you get into the swing of it, you really won't be losing lots of ships constantly anyway, so it's reasonably easy to build up a decent cache of ships and mods over time. Another useful thing now with having small/medium rigs which are relatively cheap - just buy hulls and keep caches of common rigs/mods then if need be flip them about and repackage ships where needed. You don't need to maintain a cache of fully fitted ships at all times.

Anyone nervous about leaving highsec due to logistics should just spend a few weeks in empire during a wardec, then lowsec, then an NPC null area, or a wormhole. After that a well organised null alliance seems like a holiday tbh, even compared to Empire logistics. Least you don't run the risk of being ganked whilst stuck on a gate trying to jump into Jita on a weekend, or AFKing a freighter through a hotspot :P

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Erica Dusette
Division 13
#7 - 2014-06-26 22:43:08 UTC
Saraki Ishikela wrote:
ALSO What are other reasons that YOU may not have gone to Null Sec etc.

Local chat, stations and stargates.

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Dhaq
Doomheim
#8 - 2014-06-26 22:47:35 UTC
I tried it, didnt care for it. It feels the same as high/low sec only with more logistical headaches. I decided to try wormhole living instead and it seems to be more to my liking.
polly papercut
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#9 - 2014-06-26 22:49:23 UTC
Erica Dusette wrote:
Saraki Ishikela wrote:
ALSO What are other reasons that YOU may not have gone to Null Sec etc.

Local chat, stations and stargates.


Hrmm all 3 of those are in null sec I do not understand what you are saying. Are you saying because null has local chat stations and stargates you do not go?
Vincent Athena
Photosynth
#10 - 2014-06-26 22:49:54 UTC  |  Edited by: Vincent Athena
1) The inability to just kick back and play casually, without having to be on Full Alert every second, watching local and the intel channel for trouble.
2) Having to pay rent
3) CTAs
4) Politics
5) Jerks with authority

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Erica Dusette
Division 13
#11 - 2014-06-26 22:55:16 UTC
polly papercut wrote:
Erica Dusette wrote:
Saraki Ishikela wrote:
ALSO What are other reasons that YOU may not have gone to Null Sec etc.

Local chat, stations and stargates.


Hrmm all 3 of those are in null sec I do not understand what you are saying. Are you saying because null has local chat stations and stargates you do not go?

Saraki said "What are other reasons that YOU may not have gone to Null Sec".

Although actually I do go to nullsec, regularly in fact. But I wouldn't live there for those reasons listed. I prefer the life of a frontier ninja.

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Nolak Ataru
Hedion University
Amarr Empire
#12 - 2014-06-26 22:58:22 UTC
Everyone and their mother gatecamping the highsec to low/null gates. If there was a way to bridge me from highsec into the next lowsec system in a random location in the system, I'd do it without hesitating.
Arec Bardwin
#13 - 2014-06-26 23:00:07 UTC
I have a strong dislike for being told what to do by snotty nerds. I prefer to ninja exploration content in null, I see no reason to join any 'serious business' null organizations.
Gully Alex Foyle
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#14 - 2014-06-26 23:01:02 UTC
Erica Dusette wrote:
I prefer the life of a super hot frontier ninja.
FTFY

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Naraish Adarn
Alexylva Paradox
#15 - 2014-06-26 23:04:52 UTC
wormhole space i find it infinitely more entertaining than null-sec.
Aquila Sagitta
Blue-Fire
#16 - 2014-06-26 23:06:48 UTC
Abrazzar wrote:
I'm a non-combatant and a loner, plus it annoys me having to go through all those additional steps needed to avoid getting on the same grid as a hostile.


Steps? There is only one step. Watch local. As soon as neutral enters system you safe up. The enter the local list long before they even load gate grid.

If you want to be lazy and afk occasionally glance at intel chat and if anything gets within 3jump safe up.

Nullsec is safer then highsec
Brea Lafail
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#17 - 2014-06-26 23:08:41 UTC
Vincent Athena wrote:
1) The inability to just kick back and play casually, without having to be on Full Alert every second, watching local and the intel channel for trouble.



It's this for me. I'm pretty sure I actually get more isk/hr doing lvl4s than 0.0 anoms due to constant interruptions, and with less risk.
Erica Dusette
Division 13
#18 - 2014-06-26 23:09:57 UTC
Gully Alex Foyle wrote:
Erica Dusette wrote:
I prefer the life of a super hot frontier ninja.
FTFY

Oh stop it you. Oops

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Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#19 - 2014-06-26 23:15:18 UTC
I just can't be arsed.
Frank Truck
ACME Mineral and Gas
#20 - 2014-06-26 23:15:30 UTC
Too busy answering the question "What is keeping you from going to null sec"
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