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Why the hell you make plasmonic metamaterials?
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Savoian
The Muppet Show
#1 - 2014-06-26 13:15:24 UTC
I have a question for all those out there make plasmonic metamaterials: why you guys doing that?

At current material prices, making plasmonic metamaterials means a loss of about 2-2,5 mil isk /hour.
This means that if you sold the materials needed for 24h of that reaction, at the end of the day you would be 50mil isk richer than by selling the metamaterial coming out of that reaction.
And this without considering POS fuel, which adds another 500k isk /hour to the bill.

To a situation like this a healthy market should react by decreasing/stopping production until the price rises again to a profitable level.

So, coming to the initial question: why you guys doing that?

Are you simply bad at math or have too much isk to bother?

Sav
ChromeStriker
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#2 - 2014-06-26 14:10:23 UTC
Market manipulation? Stockpile when cheep and then sell at a price that others cant match, effectively taking control of the market...? just a thought

No Worries
Savoian
The Muppet Show
#3 - 2014-06-26 15:17:34 UTC
ChromeStriker wrote:
Market manipulation? Stockpile when cheep and then sell at a price that others cant match, effectively taking control of the market...? just a thought



If you want to speculate then you buy it off the market, you do not manufacture it.
The reason of the question is exactly that, I have stockpiled a few billions of it, as it is damn cheap and logically people should have reduced production and price should have risen.
That did not happen and is not happening. So I wonder, why do people keep manufacturing it at un unprofitable price level?
De'Veldrin
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#4 - 2014-06-26 15:43:27 UTC
Savoian wrote:


So, coming to the initial question: why you guys doing that?

Are you simply bad at math or have too much isk to bother?

Sav


Could be a combination of the "materials I get on my own are free" syndrome combined with being too lazy to change an established process for something else, too.

De'Veldrin's Corollary (to Malcanis' Law): Any idea that seeks to limit the ability of a large nullsec bloc to do something in the name of allowing more small groups into sov null will inevitably make it that much harder for small groups to enter sov null.
Throne of Games
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#5 - 2014-06-26 16:04:34 UTC
Do you know how pain staking it is to rework the infrastructure for 30 PI alts? =/
Derath Ellecon
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#6 - 2014-06-26 16:35:55 UTC
Throne of Games wrote:
Do you know how pain staking it is to rework the infrastructure for 30 PI alts? =/



This has an effect on moon mining reactions how?
Ereshgikal
Wharf Crusaders
#7 - 2014-06-26 16:50:17 UTC
People often assume miners are unaware of opportunity cost. Why should reaction farmers be any different? :)

Don't expect common sense to be guiding the market since it is not so...ehm, common as one would hope.
Throne of Games
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#8 - 2014-06-26 17:19:20 UTC
Derath Ellecon wrote:
Throne of Games wrote:
Do you know how pain staking it is to rework the infrastructure for 30 PI alts? =/



This has an effect on moon mining reactions how?



Because setting up 90 pos's is more annoying >.>
Sid Uitra
State War Academy
Caldari State
#9 - 2014-06-26 17:45:41 UTC
Two large towers in sov space, making plasmonic metamaterials will make about 600m isk profit a month. Maybe the bad math is yours Shocked
Tau Cabalander
Retirement Retreat
Working Stiffs
#10 - 2014-06-26 19:26:44 UTC
Savoian wrote:
I have a question for all those out there make plasmonic metamaterials: why you guys doing that?

Because there are markets other than Jita?
Savoian
The Muppet Show
#11 - 2014-06-26 20:58:11 UTC
Sid Uitra wrote:
Two large towers in sov space, making plasmonic metamaterials will make about 600m isk profit a month. Maybe the bad math is yours Shocked



Indeed there was a claculation mistake in my math, profit is about 700k /hour without considering fuel cost.
With fuel cost in sov space you make about 200k isk per hour, or 140mil /month.

So you might want to check your math as well

Sav
Savoian
The Muppet Show
#12 - 2014-06-26 20:58:59 UTC
Tau Cabalander wrote:
Savoian wrote:
I have a question for all those out there make plasmonic metamaterials: why you guys doing that?

Because there are markets other than Jita?



... and no, for reaction materials there are no markets other than Jita.
Lady Rift
His Majesty's Privateers
#13 - 2014-06-26 21:11:40 UTC
so much easier than bring the lower crap to the market.

Tau Cabalander
Retirement Retreat
Working Stiffs
#14 - 2014-06-26 22:25:14 UTC
Savoian wrote:
Tau Cabalander wrote:
Savoian wrote:
I have a question for all those out there make plasmonic metamaterials: why you guys doing that?

Because there are markets other than Jita?

... and no, for reaction materials there are no markets other than Jita.

Though of course it varies, I have found awesome deals in Amarr and Tash-Murkon Prime. I suspect because of their close proximity to major hisec entry-points.
Zhilia Mann
Tide Way Out Productions
#15 - 2014-06-26 22:25:54 UTC
Savoian wrote:
Tau Cabalander wrote:
Savoian wrote:
I have a question for all those out there make plasmonic metamaterials: why you guys doing that?

Because there are markets other than Jita?



... and no, for reaction materials there are no markets other than Jita.


Umm. I beg to differ. I very rarely source from Jita for my production lines. Very rarely.
SCLZ
New Eden Shipyards
Sigma Grindset
#16 - 2014-06-27 22:45:28 UTC
Lady Rift wrote:
so much easier than bring the lower crap to the market.


Never done any reactions myself but this would have been my guess, I have no idea how active the market is for the reaction stuff - are the metamaterials easier to market and sell with a much wider consumer base?
Zero Sum Gain
FREEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEDOOOOOOOOM
#17 - 2014-06-28 05:34:24 UTC
Who cares why? I'm guessing you're caring because you made a profit that's not there now and wish other people would stop for the same reason so your profit would return but its not happening. Quit trying to control things and just make more isk than them.
Soldarius
Dreddit
Test Alliance Please Ignore
#18 - 2014-07-01 20:13:05 UTC

  1. Buy Plasmonic Metamaterials in bulk.
  2. Reprocess at 100%.
  3. Sell ingredients.
  4. Profit

http://youtu.be/YVkUvmDQ3HY
Fluffi Flaffi
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#19 - 2014-07-02 13:40:52 UTC
Lady Rift wrote:
so much easier than bring the lower crap to the market.



This is the main reason and most of them harvest the raw materials by themselfs as their POSs are on the corresponding moons anyway!
Li Quiao
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#20 - 2014-07-02 20:43:34 UTC
Soldarius wrote:

  1. Buy Plasmonic Metamaterials in bulk.
  2. Reprocess at 100%.
  3. Sell ingredients.
  4. Profit


And if you could recycle Moon Processing materials, that would work really well.
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