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Giant Squid Extincxtion

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Yun Kuai
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
#1 - 2014-06-26 10:55:11 UTC  |  Edited by: Yun Kuai
So the squids starting appearing all over the war zone and we're finally getting numbers, and I say very lightly, some confidence to fight. Waffles comes back and after one to two days all the squids are gone like leaves scattered in the wind. The biologist are saying this is a sever epidemic that could have left the squids once again in the endangered species list.

All jokes aside, what happened to all the squid entities. You guys were finally getting together, making friends, and starting to actually support one another. Now, I'm lucky to find a solid number of you guys out and about...WTB pew pew that isn't just pirate groups

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Epikurus
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#2 - 2014-06-26 13:16:46 UTC  |  Edited by: Epikurus
Recent sighting!

Seriously, though, what timeframe are you talking about. There were plenty around at the weekend so do you just mean the last 3 days have been quiet? If so, that's a pretty small sample size to draw any conclusions from ...

Edit - Just to add, I'm not sure why waffles would be too significant as there is only one Cal alliance who they might impact significantly.
SmokinJs Arthie
Jerkasaurus Wrecks Inc.
Sedition.
#3 - 2014-06-26 15:00:26 UTC
I'm just chalking this up to global warming.
Epikurus
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#4 - 2014-06-26 15:40:42 UTC  |  Edited by: Epikurus
SmokinJs Arthie wrote:
I'm just chalking this up to global warming.


Would you like to know more?

http://www.squid-world.com/squids-and-global-warming/

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Squids' bodies are able to process food easier when the water is warmer. As a result the squid will grow to be larger than otherwise. This is going to be significant in their ability to survive overall out there against predators. The smaller a squid is the more likely it will be consumed. This can lead to more squid due to them becoming mature and having offspring before they become food for something else.


Be afraid!
SmokinJs Arthie
Jerkasaurus Wrecks Inc.
Sedition.
#5 - 2014-06-26 16:16:13 UTC
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Others though believe that squid populations will continue to increase due to climate change. They also worry though that there will be too many of them to be able to survive on the amount of food that is readily available for them. This can lead to large numbers of them dying off due to starvation. It can also reduce the value of the genetic pool because those that do survive many not get adequate nutrition.


Sounds about right.
Gully Alex Foyle
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#6 - 2014-06-26 16:32:20 UTC
Wikipedia wrote:
deep water squid have the greatest known pen1s length relative to body size of all mobile animals
Good for you!

But there's no mention of balls... Lol

Make space glamorous! Is EVE dying or not? Ask the EVE-O Death-o-meter!

X Gallentius
Black Eagle1
#7 - 2014-06-26 17:36:54 UTC
Yun Kuai wrote:
All jokes aside, what happened to all the squid entities. You guys were finally getting together, making friends, and starting to actually support one another. Now, I'm lucky to find a solid number of you guys out and about...WTB pew pew that isn't just pirate groups

1. They are in perpetual Tier 1 right now, and even their home systems are getting hit by plexers. So, they are balling up a bit.
2. Plexes are harder. Their guys are probably turning more to missions to make their isk instead of being available for fights in plexes.
3. In our area Sniggwaffe has returned and put a big damper on Squid activity in Kinnaka. Many squids seem to pile up in Kehjari instead, or go to high sec.
4. The inability to adequately contest Enaluri last weekend (it was a "marginal draw", started at 10%, ended a bit below 10% contested level) has probably lead to a bit of "I'm going to go do something more interesting than beat my head against the wall" thinking.
Epikurus
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#8 - 2014-06-26 18:05:21 UTC  |  Edited by: ISD Ezwal
X Gallentius wrote:
4. The inability to adequately contest Enaluri last weekend (it was a "marginal draw", started at 10%, ended a bit below 10% contested level) has probably lead to a bit of "I'm going to go do something more interesting than beat my head against the wall" thinking.


Since you have our planning documents, you know that there was never any serious intent to contest Enaluri. We were there on a training weekend and only needed to keep the contested level high enough to keep you interested. That’s not to say we wouldn’t have liked to take the system but maximally efficient plexing took a firm back seat to a) rotating FCs in for some experience and doctrine dissemination (10 or more guys from four alliances had a go at leading the fleet over the weekend), b) testing new doctrines, and c) practicing doctrines, which we would often stay in when the plex-efficient thing to do would be to reship.

If anyone came away with a feeling that they were ramming their head into a brick wall after a weekend during which we managed to not only field decent cruiser fleets as a militia for the first time in recent memory but also support them with proper logistics and beat you guys with them more often than not, during which we destroyed 50% more in the value of your ships than were destroyed on our side, and during which we made great strides in many other areas, such as supply, cooperation and coordination, all while deliberately hitting one of the hardest targets on the map, then, well, they really weren’t paying attention.


Fixed quoting. ISD Ezwal.
X Gallentius
Black Eagle1
#9 - 2014-06-26 18:13:43 UTC
Looked pretty fail from my POV. Maybe you guys did better at other times.

Glad you got your doctrines straightened out.
flakeys
Doomheim
#10 - 2014-06-26 20:17:27 UTC
X Gallentius wrote:

3. In our area Sniggwaffe has returned and put a big damper on Squid activity in Kinnaka. Many squids seem to pile up in Kehjari instead, or go to high sec.



From my POV this isn't the case.I roam in that pocket a lot the last weeks.
The active squids here is mostly from the Dei-telum alliance wich if i spotted right seem to have their base in hykanima , so it would make sense they are active in this pocket.I don't see the other big caldari alliances present here much if at all.

Though i agree that kinakka , wich had a lot of squid activity , has now fallen back to whipped cream waffles and maple sirup with allmost no squids to be spotted there.

We are all born ignorant, but one must work hard to remain stupid.

X Gallentius
Black Eagle1
#11 - 2014-06-26 21:41:34 UTC
flakeys wrote:

From my POV this isn't the case.I roam in that pocket a lot the last weeks.
The active squids here is mostly from the Dei-telum alliance wich if i spotted right seem to have their base in hykanima , ....

Yeah looked at the kb and it's mostly Dei-telum in Kehjari. Templis must have moved to Icho or to the "East" since a smaller portion of their kills are in our area and more of them seem to be over there.
Cromwell Savage
The Screaming Seagulls
#12 - 2014-06-27 00:34:52 UTC
X Gallentius wrote:

1. They are in perpetual Tier 1 right now, and even their home systems are getting hit by plexers. So, they are balling up a bit.


Yep...even more reason to keep taking systems....

- - - -

Why I stay in FW with this toon I don't know...
Theroine
Pew Pew Pirates
#13 - 2014-06-27 00:57:28 UTC
Epikurus wrote:
Since you have our planning documents, you know that there was never any serious intent to contest Enaluri.

Yeah, I didn't receive that memo, could you put me on the mailing list for future correspondence. Cheers!
Dread Operative
Lowlife.
Snuffed Out
#14 - 2014-06-27 01:40:23 UTC
Yun Kuai wrote:
So the squids starting appearing all over the war zone and we're finally getting numbers, and I say very lightly, some confidence to fight. Waffles comes back and after one to two days all the squids are gone like leaves scattered in the wind. The biologist are saying this is a sever epidemic that could have left the squids once again in the endangered species list.

All jokes aside, what happened to all the squid entities. You guys were finally getting together, making friends, and starting to actually support one another. Now, I'm lucky to find a solid number of you guys out and about...WTB pew pew that isn't just pirate groups


The squids were acting as bait for RZR (with batphone) to attempt to gank some SNUFF. They went dormant after the fights didnt go the way they wanted.
X Gallentius
Black Eagle1
#15 - 2014-06-27 01:55:48 UTC
Theroine wrote:
Epikurus wrote:
Since you have our planning documents, you know that there was never any serious intent to contest Enaluri.

Yeah, I didn't receive that memo, could you put me on the mailing list for future correspondence. Cheers!
I'll forward the link to you next time.
IbanezLaney
The Church of Awesome
#16 - 2014-06-27 02:07:45 UTC
I have always said that if Templis get their **** together they will be unstoppable.

And now rumor has it that Templis will have a proper Caldari doctrine with the appropriate FC soon.


If he can organize their derpy masses and stop them fail fitting - you frogs might have a fight on your hands.










Yuri Antollare
Moira.
#17 - 2014-06-27 07:28:09 UTC  |  Edited by: ISD Ezwal
Epikurus wrote:
X Gallentius wrote:
4. The inability to adequately contest Enaluri last weekend (it was a "marginal draw", started at 10%, ended a bit below 10% contested level) has probably lead to a bit of "I'm going to go do something more interesting than beat my head against the wall" thinking.


Since you have our planning documents, you know that there was never any serious intent to contest Enaluri. We were there on a training weekend and only needed to keep the contested level high enough to keep you interested. That’s not to say we wouldn’t have liked to take the system but maximally efficient plexing took a firm back seat to a) rotating FCs in for some experience and doctrine dissemination (10 or more guys from four alliances had a go at leading the fleet over the weekend), b) testing new doctrines, and c) practicing doctrines, which we would often stay in when the plex-efficient thing to do would be to reship.

If anyone came away with a feeling that they were ramming their head into a brick wall after a weekend during which we managed to not only field decent cruiser fleets as a militia for the first time in recent memory but also support them with proper logistics and beat you guys with them more often than not, during which we destroyed 50% more in the value of your ships than were destroyed on our side, and during which we made great strides in many other areas, such as supply, cooperation and coordination, all while deliberately hitting one of the hardest targets on the map, then, well, they really weren’t paying attention.


Fixed quoting. ISD Ezwal.



I don't want to be too much of an ******* because I like what you're trying to do with Calmill. But a few corrections :p

You can still run into squids occasionally, but we are used to a time when places like Enaluri, Innia, OMS/Heyd, Rakapas, Eha once upon a time, were major CalMill systems. Now the great pillars of Caldari strength lay in ruin, we struggle to find exactly where they all are? Not Kinakka or Innia, not in Heyd or OMS, not in Tama or Rakapas, rumors are there are some squirreled away in the Kurala constellation, but people arent sure exactly where. Conversely Galmills influence extends across entire regions of the map, with multiple home systems that have stood for literally years.

WRT to Enaluri, and taking nothing away from those that live there, it is the newest home system of the Gallente. In terms of where supporting corps/allainces are and logistics, it would be closer to the easiest target to strike than the hardest. That would be on a good day, the day the Enaluri thing began however we had just wrapped up in Heyd, further stressing the logistics. Also the incredibly low contested rate throughout put a serious dampener on any militia wide assistance.

From the fights I saw, things were pretty rough on the squids. I saw their Kestrel fleets die to our AF fleets, and our Kestrel fleets kill their AF fleets. For large periods of time Miras group were sitting in a large/medium baiting for RZR (I'm not sure how this fits with 'testing' system push doctrines.) In fact I'm not sure I witnessed any gallente fleets lose a fight, I did see a couple of derps from T3s trying to be funny, but we wouldn't be throwing those into the isk analysis would we? Seeing as this was about testing doctrines :p

Again though I'm not on 24 hours a day so not saying we didnt lose some fights, just it wasn't my take away impression.

Also, you brought up the AU tz issue in the document, but it never brought up the proposed answer, please, I'm curious :)
Veskrashen
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#18 - 2014-06-27 08:08:59 UTC
IbanezLaney wrote:
If he can organize their derpy masses and stop them fail fitting - you frogs might have a fight on your hands.

We eagerly await that day. Until then, we'll pay our dues at the school of hard knocks, picking fights with the local neutral crews. Should be interesting to see what happens when the pendulum starts to swing again.

We Gallente have a saying: "CCP created the Gallente Militia to train the Fighters..."

Epikurus
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#19 - 2014-06-27 09:39:02 UTC  |  Edited by: ISD Ezwal
Yuri Antollare wrote:


WRT to Enaluri, and taking nothing away from those that live there, it is the newest home system of the Gallente. In terms of where supporting corps/allainces are and logistics, it would be closer to the easiest target to strike than the hardest.


Perhaps the easiest of the hardest targets (i.e. Gallente home systems) but certainly not amongst the easiest targets on the map. It's also right next door to Nenn.


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From the fights I saw, things were pretty rough on the squids. I saw their Kestrel fleets die to our AF fleets, and our Kestrel fleets kill their AF fleets. ... In fact I'm not sure I witnessed any gallente fleets lose a fight, I did see a couple of derps from T3s trying to be funny, but we wouldn't be throwing those into the isk analysis would we? Seeing as this was about testing doctrines :p


I guess I'm mainly thinking of fights like these:

*snip* Posting of kill reports outside of the Crime & Punishment forum channel is prohibited. ISD Ezwal.

(edit: the forums are mangling these addresses by inserting amp;amp; into them three times for some reason - you'll need to manually delete that addition to get the BR.
edit2: bear in mind that the BRs only include those pilots who appeared on killmails, not all who were involved in the battles, so most of the Gallente fleet is missing from the first two as there were almost no Caldari losses.)

What's really significant here to my mind is seeing doctrinal uniformity across a Caldari general militia fleet, decent amounts of logi on field, and wins against fully logi-ed up Gal fleets (with T2 logi in two cases). These are all new experiences for me in system battles.

I also wouldn't discount all the T3 losses. In a battle where you bring a T2/T3 cruiser fleet plus battleships and faction battleships against a T1 cruiser fleet and lose a T3 in the pitched engagement, that's just a straightforward loss.

*snip* Posting of kill reports outside of the Crime & Punishment forum channel is prohibited. ISD Ezwal.

I'll give you the Zealot as a derp though - he warped into our fleet completely unsupported and didn't stand a chance. The Loki, not so much. The second Loki, I can't remember but that one may well have done something stupid.

On the Kessies vs AFs, we were happy trading a handful of kestrels for each of your assault frigates, so don't have too much of a problem with that phase of the fight as our numbers were a bit low. Not so happy about the battles where we lost assault frigates to your kestrels. One related thing that came out of the weekend was how much we need to work on our skirmishing. You guys are able to do great work slowing us down when you are outnumbered and that is something we really need to emulate (and which connects to the AU tz stuff below). Item 77b on the 'to do' list.

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For large periods of time Miras group were sitting in a large/medium baiting for RZR (I'm not sure how this fits with 'testing' system push doctrines.)


The fact that you interpreted this in this way is interesting. We were actually sitting in the larges and mediums looking for more practice with the cruiser doctrine. I'm not sure why you thought we were baiting at this point but it does explain why you didn't come and play during this period. Obviously, baiting in plexes would have been entirely counter-productive to our aims for the weekend.

Quote:

Also, you brought up the AU tz issue in the document, but it never brought up the proposed answer, please, I'm curious :)


It's a very tricky one as it's not something that is easy to correct for n terms of doctrine or strategy, since it’s really a manpower issue which is almost impossible to exert direct control over. We had some success holding back the attrition of system control through most of the first AU tz by using a hero-FC who was willing to go without sleep and managed to keep the loss to a manageable level. However, it was bought home to us just how important AU is when, after he stood down, we lost something like 4% in just the hour after downtime. Long and the short is, it’s a work in progress but some militia-wide work on skirmishing will go a long way.
ALUCARD 1208
Naga's Be Trippin
#20 - 2014-06-27 10:22:52 UTC  |  Edited by: ALUCARD 1208
IbanezLaney wrote:
I have always said that if Templis get their **** together they will be unstoppable.

And now rumor has it that Templis will have a proper Caldari doctrine with the appropriate FC soon.


If he can organize their derpy masses and stop them fail fitting - you frogs might have a fight on your hands.




Nah they just copied our doctrines
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