Player Features and Ideas Discussion

I have personally survived full room aggro in a mom in a loki with subsystem tank, in a scimi with a DCU and PDS tank and a SHIELD TANKED vigilant. Personal experience of the bomber spawn has them as less than as scary as they were made to seem to me. In the loki and scimi, I had full room on bomber spawn, but have not taken it in the vigilant. None of these ships died, although the loki did take 2% armor damage.

Problem: Incursions are friggen boring.

When CCP explained incursions for the first time, I imagined them to be a little like semi random boss battles occuring in the MMO Game RIFT (RIFT is ******* boring too, those random battels were a fun thing to do).

That's more or less how I expected incursions to be:

Sansha spawn nodes or "Pirate stargates" pop up all over the system, NPC's gate in, once the number of Sansha NPC's (or their combined battle value) in an incursion system exceed N, the big ships come in, gather their respective combat groups and move on to their first tactical target.

Now players can either follow the big battle group and combat this one or they could also stay at the pirate gates and try to destroy those to lock out any Sansha reinforcements.

Eventually the final goal of the big battle group would be the various stations and/or planets in the system to do their space cyberzombie thing and harvest people, meaning, they initiate combat at one of the stations for a certain amount of time or until they're all dead.

Rewards and stuff: Tbh, I'd scrap the crappy incursion missions entirely, that always seemed kinda crappy to me. LP and ISK rewards should solely be awarded for damage done to Incursion NPC's and structures (such as defense dowers or stargates, etc.)killed by players, with bonuses for destroyed Sansha Stargates and for killing them before the Sansha victory condition at their final tactical target is fulfilled.

Note: Of course players can still dock and undock at their respective stations they just have to expect to be attacked by any present sansha forces.

Now, take this post and spin up some specifics. This sounds like a cool idea to use as the basis for one of the other faction incursions that people keep asking for. Maybe angels for this sort of thing, as all they need to do, lore wise, is prove to be able to take the orbitals from the republic to have the masses switch loyalty to the cartel in large measure.

your suggestion would lead to logis not getting any lp at all so i'd give it a solid 0/5

also I cant see a good reason for different incursion factions since it would be just a unnecessary reskin while there are more pressing issues like scout site, ncns and concord lp store(police navy comets cmon.. that's so useless) that would need a rework

Welcome to Vindicators online.

I was going after the tower bash aspect

Hey, we can't help it if CCP thinks we're sexy!

This rule was made to limit nullsec blobibing, and the cap of 50 was picked to minimize effect on incursions while still having reasonable limits on null.




This is a bad idea, because then people would simply farm moms for the loot, and lead to accidental closure of the incursion if mom sites are left at current difficulty. Though this might be useful as a way to buff low/null incursions.


I could see having a message pop up in incursion local about the first person in each period of x duration activating the mothership gate. That said, its free intel in low/null incursions and this is bad.

Easily, but it would require some mild effort from the logi and they may get burnt out after a while

These metrics, while nice for top tier FCs and pilots, will be problematic as resists aren't static and so a raw HP destroyed, while useful for who got good shots in a contest, skews massively because of this. It also gives out free intel, as some people don't like admitting their ship is really a purple pinata, and their head is full of Pashan's stuff.