Player Features and Ideas Discussion

You're absolutely correct. I wrote that before I had my morning dose of caffeine.

I meant to say fw missions, not plexers.

But still, there's a reason the running joke amongst plexers is "fit 1 ab to a frigate, and the rest WCS. Even the rigs."

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I fail to see what point your first comment is trying to make. Many people multibox PVP w/o using ISBoxer, and on the other side of the coin, many people use ISboxer to simply arrange windows easier for their monitors.

As for your second point, people lose ships in incursions as well. There's risk in nearly everything in EVE.

I took a look at your KB, and it seems you're using Interceptors very well. With their innate high warp speed, you can jump into a system, get inside the plex, and scram the bomber before they can align out.

I support scouts being local-tankable in semi-shiny t1 BS, and frigate heavy enough med guns compete at parity or better, while paying out in the 40-50Misk/hr range with t1 BS and/or BCs. This would also encourage a source of BCs/t3s/HACs/pirate cruisers for NCNs, which would make the NCN problem less fleet killing if willing to run suboptimal ships for them, even without the NCN wall fix.

I never got into FW myself, to be honest. I was going to; the idea of these massive factions fighting each other sans capital support was nice, but then i read up on it and i fell disenchanted. Mind you, this was around the time of the freighter-full-of-items exploit, so things did change.

As per your topic, Scout sites. If we can get CCP to change scout sites to pay out slightly more and reduce the incoming dps, then it might be easier for newer people.

No, I just get annoyed when people are staring at the facts and then claim something else. It's easy to get 100m isk/hr in regular L4s. You just need to stop AFKing them.

I brought up missions and FW as examples where your logic is fail. You make these outrageous claims of safety and risk/isk that have in the past been applied to FW and missions and then just point them at incursions, at the same time you bury your head in the sand and say "lalalala I cant hear you" over and over again.

Did someone get turned down in their local-tanked cruise CNR when they tried to join up in an incursion fleet? Because all I can see is this hate-boner you have for incursions, whilst completely ignoring FW and L4s.

No Incursion runner is making 100 mil/hr if they tell you they are then they are lying. Add in 50 jumps in an Orca after moving your BS the same distance, waiting for 39 other people to be prepared for a fleet (Moving their ships, fittings and supplies), run for 4 to 6 hours then have someone pop the MOM, then go to the nearest market hub and resupply ammo, fittings, Nanite and whatnot then do it all over again.

Considerably less than 100 mil an hour, probably closer to 40 or 50 mil/hr (And that's for the extremely shiny guys that are making closer to 200mil/hr while in fleet).

Mach/Vindi/Nightmare, and Scimi, Basi, Command ship, scout ship/supply-run ship. Orca makes one trip for 3 or 4 ships.

You spend 3 billion in fittings so you can make 800mil in a night, but the 800mil nights are two or three a week for a player that spends 30 to 40 hours logged in.

And we come back to the 'mistakes happen', to be truly successful at making ISK you have to be paying attention the entire time, not when the gate flashes (gatecamps) or when you turn off your cloak (Exploration) or when you are in the mission site between station ship spinning, one mistake and in a matter of seconds, if your not extremely lucky, you lose 3 to 5 billion and get to start over.

So no, Incursions are not for everyone, as you found out, they are for people paying attention and willing to put in A LOT of time to grind ISK. You don't just land in a system, orbit around and release drones on occasion and magically have billions dropped in your wallet, you have to put in lots of effort and risk more ISK than most players ever accumulate.

Edit; I would guess most dedicated Incursion runner have from 12 to 40bil invested.

You forgot RAISA.. the one who's pops about half of all mom's now.

And that's why I want the Mom not to be available till Mobo.. a few people getting the knickers in a twist should not be allowed to ruin it for everyone else.

Incursions, unlike every other income source in Eve, is VERY dependent on everyone else running them to be on their meds.. Someone going nuts doesn't stop mining, missioning, ratting, WH's, etc.

just make it take 3-4 hours of constant grind. So that people that have to leave in the middle have to get replacements for themselves in the fleet.

Just to fix something people have missed. The Bomber spawn in mom sites already alpha's anything that isn't a Battleship off the field. This includes Logi ships. They get clean alpha'ed off the field if they get targeted, no chance to catch reps. Upping the Alpha of the wave will simply cut more & more people out, and start forcing Incursion communities to API check peoples skills for all V's & full slave sets for extra EHP. So yes, it would up the danger, but it would also cut a lot of people out of incursions via increasing the skill & implant requirements.

Increasing how fast influence fights back would also make a significant shift to incursions, especially during the spawn in process. Imagine if you could only drop influence to 50% while the incursion was mobilising, to reflect the fact they are flooding into the system constantly during this time. This does kill two birds with one stone, as the mom won't spawn so fast (but still just as easy to kill once spawned later on if someone wants to end the incursion), and income will be a little lower during this period, but a smart fleet would still be ok if they did everything right.

Wow did not see this thread coming,

Thanks for doing this,

Temporary assault solution is nice at least it will keep systems busier than usual.

Will speak from VG standpoint for basic show of concept.

Problem:

Ai is predictable and with static spawn points.

in VG this means that ships with massive dmg and dmg projection will be kings of a hill = large guns pirate hulls.
ie niarja and friends spawn 73km out and in next second 2/3rd of them are dead or dying.

Solution:

randomize spawn points 50% as usual 50% in your face that way all of high dps but not range boosted ships including missile ships and medium size guns are becoming viable again.

Everything from 2.2k dps dominix to 1.8k dps caldary phoon all of a sudden are not gimped by range no more.

I believe this will open up incursions to more ppl and provide high dps solutions for average skilled players as well as allowing non pirate skilled pilots to be valuable asset to use in fleet,
and massive risk downgrade for lo/null sec use as massive dps boats on a cheap instead of logistic pain of hauling something 10x times expensive for ~5% more performance.
Couple that with higher reward and one can easily run them with 80mill hulls and still make more than in high sec

Problem 2:

Ai attack pattern is too simple.

making vg very easy isk gring and overall boring and unexciting experience
ie 3 niarjas spawn 70km out and all jam single unimportant target than tamas do the same then rest of em target that single target usually until they die.

Solution:

With new spawn mechanic idea spawn deltole and auga @70k and tamas niarjas 5km behind pod pilot fleet totally negating instant alpha death from machariels and nightmares,2 of 3 niarja insta jam 2 logis and 3rd jams web vindi,tamas attempt to power dps logi and deltole and auga try same with other one.

And look from almost mindless grind to game-play galore keep thing random and interesting,dynamic not passive.