Player Features and Ideas Discussion

So now that that's out of the way...

Can we nerf Caldari ships anyways for being ugly?

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First : ... balance... PvE ... in a PvP game = fail
Second : Same ship/fit for all missions = fail
Not knowing what you are talking about = can you guess ?

You know, its amazing how many people forget that the Golem looses 25% of its DPS to NPC defender missiles a good portion of the time. Vargur > Golem any day. The Golem is much friendlier to lower SP though due to the nature of missile mechanics.

Yea! Nerf Gallente for.... well something because.... stuff!!!

Speaking as a total high sec bear. I've been trying to get out missiles(caldari) for a long time.
Gunnery especially with the marauder changes is the most optimal PvE weapon platform.
Splitting guns on frigates on approach, application on cruiser sized ships adds up to make for the fastest mission completion time. Why do missiles fail imho, overkill and underkill. Depending on the bounty on a ship different dps is needed and you have to wait and see also you lose more dps then people want to talk about to defenders in anything but torpedo golem, and that is a chunk of SP further it would be childish to suggest such a niche SP venture as OP. Since it really doesn't shine as the ultimate marauder.

Drones post nerf aren't great, sure they are awesome in certain setups and specific ships, like a certain gallente HAC.
But across the line, drones aren't it because 1: 1 sec dps application delay, all the small ticks cut into your dps. 2: Micromanagement and drone loss. 3: Slow response. 4: Sentries being the main drone for PvE use need you to be stationary. 5:You can't split guns and kill off frigates quickly in fact that is where slow response really hurts, because their approach is so fast the window for frigs to close in is rather enlarged with sentries.

Gunnery, it applies instantly, has no tracking issues with enough range, just one click, and when things get close there should only be BS/BC left or you suck, yes you suck :P.

It comes down to 2 things. Shield tanks are better for missions as they are more effective when active tanking and they allow ships to deal better DPS. Second is that missiles have really good range and damage put out by them is reduced, only based on the statistics of the target, and at that never miss if in range. These means that caldari missile ships are in many ways perfect for a PVE environment such as lvl4s.

Missile ships are good for PVP in many places but due to extreme damage mitigation from piloting and force preservation from logistics, missiles aren't always the optimum choice. In other PVE content missile ships fair fairly well in all but incursions, where the delay in damage slows the fleet down and makes them in-optimal.

funny thread. thanks all.

I'd say the caldari missile boats are the king of high sec missions.

Gallente are the king of null sec pve

And i'd place gallente, amarr and minmatar above caldari for pvp overall (although thats just my opinion). edit: with the exception of caldari's rail ships