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Kaarous Aldurald
Black Hydra Consortium.
#61 - 2014-06-25 12:43:28 UTC
Dave Stark wrote:
Solecist Project wrote:
It's interesting to see people talk bad about tens of thousands of people,
dismissing them all as being the same.

They did that back in the 30s, too.


You should be hunted down and removed from the game, you sick freak.


did... did you just invoke godwin's law?


Nope. I too, think we should hang all the stockbrokers.

"Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."

One of ours, ten of theirs.

Best Meltdown Ever.
Intar Medris
KarmaFleet University
#62 - 2014-06-25 12:44:24 UTC  |  Edited by: Intar Medris
The Goonswarm recruitment scam is nearly old as EVE itself. They only recruit from the Something Awful forums. If you are not a member of that and not recruited from there it is a scam. They offer to move your stuff it is a scam.

EVE Rule No1 Trust no one. 100% percent of the victims of scams, corp thefts, intel leaks, alliance thefts, and awoxings violated it.

I try to be nice and mind my business just shooting lasers at rocks. There is just way too many asshats in New Eden for that to happen.
Raider Ray
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#63 - 2014-06-25 13:00:12 UTC  |  Edited by: Raider Ray
Intar Medris wrote:
The Goonswarm recruitment scam is nearly old as EVE itself. They only recruit from the Something Awful forums. If you are not a member of that and not recruited from there it is a scam. They offer to move your stuff it is a scam.

EVE Rule No1 Trust no one. 100% percent of the victims of scams, corp thefts, intel leaks, alliance thefts, and awoxings violated it.


Is it possible to make a sticky about known scams that new players should be aware of?
Could be really helpful for new players
Kaarous Aldurald
Black Hydra Consortium.
#64 - 2014-06-25 13:02:20 UTC
Raider Ray wrote:
Intar Medris wrote:
The Goonswarm recruitment scam is nearly old as EVE itself. They only recruit from the Something Awful forums. If you are not a member of that and not recruited from there it is a scam. They offer to move your stuff it is a scam.

EVE Rule No1 Trust no one. 100% percent of the victims of scams, corp thefts, intel leaks, alliance thefts, and awoxings violated it.


Is it possible to make a sticky about known scams that new players should be aware of?
Could be really helpful for new players


Goonswarm even says on their wikipedia entry that they will scam you unless you go through the correct recruitment process. I don't really know how much more obvious it needs to be.

"Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."

One of ours, ten of theirs.

Best Meltdown Ever.
Ramona McCandless
Silent Vale
LinkNet
#65 - 2014-06-25 13:04:30 UTC
Raider Ray wrote:
Intar Medris wrote:
The Goonswarm recruitment scam is nearly old as EVE itself. They only recruit from the Something Awful forums. If you are not a member of that and not recruited from there it is a scam. They offer to move your stuff it is a scam.

EVE Rule No1 Trust no one. 100% percent of the victims of scams, corp thefts, intel leaks, alliance thefts, and awoxings violated it.


Is it possible to make a sticky about known scams that new players should be aware of?
Could be really helpful for new players


Ok, you can get them to use this;

EvE is a game where, if you are not paying attention, you WILL get scammed.

Does that work for you?

"Yea, some dude came in and was normal for first couple months, so I gave him director." - Sean Dunaway

"A singular character could be hired to penetrate another corps space... using gorilla like tactics..." - Chane Morgann
Caviar Liberta
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#66 - 2014-06-25 13:11:19 UTC
Raiz Nhell wrote:
Goonswarm recruitment scam...
If its not the oldest trick in the book, its close personal friend of the oldest.

Homework, google, 90% of the pilots in Eve, Goons themselves, asking in local, could of enlightened you to this scam...



oldest trick in the book
Aoife Fraoch
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#67 - 2014-06-25 13:14:43 UTC
To the OPs credit, he hasn't posted about putting a bounty on a Titan.
Raider Ray
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#68 - 2014-06-25 13:17:23 UTC
Ramona McCandless wrote:
Raider Ray wrote:
Intar Medris wrote:
The Goonswarm recruitment scam is nearly old as EVE itself. They only recruit from the Something Awful forums. If you are not a member of that and not recruited from there it is a scam. They offer to move your stuff it is a scam.

EVE Rule No1 Trust no one. 100% percent of the victims of scams, corp thefts, intel leaks, alliance thefts, and awoxings violated it.


Is it possible to make a sticky about known scams that new players should be aware of?
Could be really helpful for new players


Ok, you can get them to use this;

EvE is a game where, if you are not paying attention, you WILL get scammed.

Does that work for you?


Including elaborate scams from the recruitment channels such as finding your LF corp message and convoing you so that there is no way for CCP to track them down by their own add?

NO

Happened to me and CCP did absolutely nothing.

Many, many new players including myself joined Eve because of shiny spaceships, not because they wanted to research how to now get scammed in a new MMO. Its just something people generally don't anticipate as acceptable in an MMO because in-game scamming is generally not acceptable in other MMOs.
Raider Ray
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#69 - 2014-06-25 13:19:02 UTC  |  Edited by: Raider Ray
Double post
Ramona McCandless
Silent Vale
LinkNet
#70 - 2014-06-25 13:25:38 UTC  |  Edited by: Ramona McCandless
Raider Ray wrote:

Including elaborate scams from the recruitment channels such as finding your LF corp message and convoing you so that there is no way for CCP to track them down by their own add?

NO

Happened to me and CCP did absolutely nothing.

Many, many new players including myself joined Eve because of shiny spaceships, not because they wanted to research how to now get scammed in a new MMO. Its just something people generally don't anticipate as acceptable in an MMO because in-game scamming is generally not acceptable in other MMOs.


Sorry, where was it ever written that CCP are required to do anything about this?

Welcome to an MMORPG that is different; one where YOUR actions have consequences.

"something people generally don't anticipate as acceptable in an MMO" Well then perhaps "people" should do their research into the new MMO they are going to play?

And please tell me more about this elaborate scam from the recruitment channel. I would dearly love to hear how convincing it is.

"Yea, some dude came in and was normal for first couple months, so I gave him director." - Sean Dunaway

"A singular character could be hired to penetrate another corps space... using gorilla like tactics..." - Chane Morgann
Lila Merle
Paper Cats
#71 - 2014-06-25 13:25:44 UTC
Raider Ray wrote:
Intar Medris wrote:
The Goonswarm recruitment scam is nearly old as EVE itself. They only recruit from the Something Awful forums. If you are not a member of that and not recruited from there it is a scam. They offer to move your stuff it is a scam.

EVE Rule No1 Trust no one. 100% percent of the victims of scams, corp thefts, intel leaks, alliance thefts, and awoxings violated it.


Is it possible to make a sticky about known scams that new players should be aware of?
Could be really helpful for new players


The sticky would end up as TL;DR

I consider myself lucky in that I heard about EVE from Goons I know elsewhere.
Barbara Nichole
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#72 - 2014-06-25 13:44:23 UTC  |  Edited by: Barbara Nichole
Fix Lag wrote:
Lies, libel, and not the least bit of treachery by the creator of this thread. OP was a spy and was treated as such. Don't trust him. After attempting to dissolve The Glorious Socialist Goon Soviet, he is now trying feebly to damage our stellar reputation. Having his possessions taken and his ship destroyed was the least we could do to repay his nefarious actions.

and the obligatory childish denial...

Don't join any null sec alliance or corp that requires you moving stuff.. fly out in shuttle with a no implant clone. then borrow a ship from them and start making isk.

if hey pod you, you are out a clone and a shuttle.
If they don't, the fun of working up to whatever hardware you want from scratch will be a challenge. and never trust a goon... at least not completely.

  - remove the cloaked from local; free intel is the real problem, not  "afk" cloaking -

[IMG]http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a208/DawnFrostbringer/consultsig.jpg[/IMG]
Kaarous Aldurald
Black Hydra Consortium.
#73 - 2014-06-25 13:48:28 UTC
Barbara Nichole wrote:
Fix Lag wrote:
Lies, libel, and not the least bit of treachery by the creator of this thread. OP was a spy and was treated as such. Don't trust him. After attempting to dissolve The Glorious Socialist Goon Soviet, he is now trying feebly to damage our stellar reputation. Having his possessions taken and his ship destroyed was the least we could do to repay his nefarious actions.

and the obligatory childish denial...


Along with the obligatory broken sarcasm detector.

"Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."

One of ours, ten of theirs.

Best Meltdown Ever.
Barbara Nichole
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#74 - 2014-06-25 13:56:36 UTC
Kaarous Aldurald wrote:
Barbara Nichole wrote:
Fix Lag wrote:
Lies, libel, and not the least bit of treachery by the creator of this thread. OP was a spy and was treated as such. Don't trust him. After attempting to dissolve The Glorious Socialist Goon Soviet, he is now trying feebly to damage our stellar reputation. Having his possessions taken and his ship destroyed was the least we could do to repay his nefarious actions.

and the obligatory childish denial...


Along with the obligatory broken sarcasm detector.


I don't know if their sarcasm detector is broken or not... I didn't feel it was important to speculate on that.

  - remove the cloaked from local; free intel is the real problem, not  "afk" cloaking -

[IMG]http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a208/DawnFrostbringer/consultsig.jpg[/IMG]
Kaarous Aldurald
Black Hydra Consortium.
#75 - 2014-06-25 13:58:49 UTC
Barbara Nichole wrote:
Kaarous Aldurald wrote:
Barbara Nichole wrote:
Fix Lag wrote:
Lies, libel, and not the least bit of treachery by the creator of this thread. OP was a spy and was treated as such. Don't trust him. After attempting to dissolve The Glorious Socialist Goon Soviet, he is now trying feebly to damage our stellar reputation. Having his possessions taken and his ship destroyed was the least we could do to repay his nefarious actions.

and the obligatory childish denial...


Along with the obligatory broken sarcasm detector.


I don't know if their sarcasm detector is broken or not... I didn't feel it was important to speculate on that.


And the obligatory deliberately obtuse statement.

We have the hat trick, folks.

"Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."

One of ours, ten of theirs.

Best Meltdown Ever.
Marsha Mallow
#76 - 2014-06-25 14:01:03 UTC
Raider Ray wrote:
Including elaborate scams from the recruitment channels such as finding your LF corp message and convoing you so that there is no way for CCP to track them down by their own add?

NO

Happened to me and CCP did absolutely nothing.

Many, many new players including myself joined Eve because of shiny spaceships, not because they wanted to research how to now get scammed in a new MMO. Its just something people generally don't anticipate as acceptable in an MMO because in-game scamming is generally not acceptable in other MMOs.

Many new players joined because they'd heard about massive ingame scams and thefts via media sites (GHSC, Ebank, T4U, BoB disbanding etc). One of the game trailers even shows a player making the decision to inflitrate and rob an alliance. It's a core part of the game and something anyone can find out within minutes of watching trailers or looking up media sites. If you chose to do no research whatsoever when starting a new game, particularly a sandbox MMO, you only have yourself to blame.

CCP can track anyone, so can you via your chatlogs if someone convoed you. The reason they won't act upon a recruitment scam complaint is because it's allowed by the game rules. Take a leaf from the OPs book, learn from your mistakes and move on. There are rules in place to protect very new players from harassment and griefing, but none to protect people from their own decisions.

Retitle the thread "Careful when dealing with everyone in EvE" and the blindingly obvious bit might just leap out at us all.

Ripard Teg > For the morons in the room:

Sweets > U can dd my face any day
Mythrandier
Solace Corp
#77 - 2014-06-25 14:03:16 UTC
Solecist Project wrote:
Dave Stark wrote:
Solecist Project wrote:
It's interesting to see people talk bad about tens of thousands of people,
dismissing them all as being the same.

They did that back in the 30s, too.


You should be hunted down and removed from the game, you sick freak.


did... did you just invoke godwin's law?

I forgot to quote the poster, so ******* mad I am about this ****!

It's this stupid brainless behaviour that leads to **** like this in the first place!

AND IT'S JUST A ******* GAME! WTF IS WRONG WITH THESE IDIOTS!



Could not agree more Sol. It's yet another great example why judging by the group is inherently flawed. Not to mention an insult the chaotic diversity that is humanity.

"In the beginning the Universe was created. This has made a lot of people very angry and been widely regarded as a bad move." -  D. Adams.
Jenn aSide
Worthless Carebears
The Initiative.
#78 - 2014-06-25 14:06:53 UTC
Raider Ray wrote:
Ramona McCandless wrote:
Raider Ray wrote:
Intar Medris wrote:
The Goonswarm recruitment scam is nearly old as EVE itself. They only recruit from the Something Awful forums. If you are not a member of that and not recruited from there it is a scam. They offer to move your stuff it is a scam.

EVE Rule No1 Trust no one. 100% percent of the victims of scams, corp thefts, intel leaks, alliance thefts, and awoxings violated it.


Is it possible to make a sticky about known scams that new players should be aware of?
Could be really helpful for new players


Ok, you can get them to use this;

EvE is a game where, if you are not paying attention, you WILL get scammed.

Does that work for you?


Including elaborate scams from the recruitment channels such as finding your LF corp message and convoing you so that there is no way for CCP to track them down by their own add?

NO

Happened to me and CCP did absolutely nothing.

Many, many new players including myself joined Eve because of shiny spaceships, not because they wanted to research how to now get scammed in a new MMO. Its just something people generally don't anticipate as acceptable in an MMO because in-game scamming is generally not acceptable in other MMOs.


Highlighted your problem.

You are the poster boy for everything I've ever talked about on these forums lol.

You came to a game that everyone else knows about. People won't don't even play EVE know what EVE is like. Yet you downloaded a game client, created a character and started investing time and money into it, yet couldn't be arsed to Google 'EVE Online' before doing any of it.

You came to EVE not for EVE Online game play but because it has shiney ships, not understanding that EVE is an open world sandbox game. That's like playing Grand Theft Auto because it has nice cars and being surprised at all the crime and Hoe Stomping that occurs in it lol.

The company that makes EVE started 17 years ago in 1997 (and advertised what kind of game they were making). The game itself was launched in 2003 (11 years ago). That entire time no one has hidden what EVE online is, what it's about and what kind of gameplay it has.

And yet, despite all the above, somehow your irresponsibility (in not having a single clue about this game that you paid some form of money for) is someone Else's fault. Somehow, CCP is supposed to turn it's back on 17 years of history to 'do something' about you getting scammed...

I find people like this to be amazing...in a bad way.
Raider Ray
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#79 - 2014-06-25 14:27:08 UTC
Jenn aSide wrote:
Raider Ray wrote:
Ramona McCandless wrote:
Raider Ray wrote:
Intar Medris wrote:
The Goonswarm recruitment scam is nearly old as EVE itself. They only recruit from the Something Awful forums. If you are not a member of that and not recruited from there it is a scam. They offer to move your stuff it is a scam.

EVE Rule No1 Trust no one. 100% percent of the victims of scams, corp thefts, intel leaks, alliance thefts, and awoxings violated it.


Is it possible to make a sticky about known scams that new players should be aware of?
Could be really helpful for new players


Ok, you can get them to use this;

EvE is a game where, if you are not paying attention, you WILL get scammed.

Does that work for you?


Including elaborate scams from the recruitment channels such as finding your LF corp message and convoing you so that there is no way for CCP to track them down by their own add?

NO

Happened to me and CCP did absolutely nothing.

Many, many new players including myself joined Eve because of shiny spaceships, not because they wanted to research how to now get scammed in a new MMO. Its just something people generally don't anticipate as acceptable in an MMO because in-game scamming is generally not acceptable in other MMOs.


Highlighted your problem.

You are the poster boy for everything I've ever talked about on these forums lol.

You came to a game that everyone else knows about. People won't don't even play EVE know what EVE is like. Yet you downloaded a game client, created a character and started investing time and money into it, yet couldn't be arsed to Google 'EVE Online' before doing any of it.

You came to EVE not for EVE Online game play but because it has shiney ships, not understanding that EVE is an open world sandbox game. That's like playing Grand Theft Auto because it has nice cars and being surprised at all the crime and Hoe Stomping that occurs in it lol.

The company that makes EVE started 17 years ago in 1997 (and advertised what kind of game they were making). The game itself was launched in 2003 (11 years ago). That entire time no one has hidden what EVE online is, what it's about and what kind of gameplay it has.

And yet, despite all the above, somehow your irresponsibility (in not having a single clue about this game that you paid some form of money for) is someone Else's fault. Somehow, CCP is supposed to turn it's back on 17 years of history to 'do something' about you getting scammed...

I find people like this to be amazing...in a bad way.


I was only mentioning how a scammer can avoid posting in the corp recruitment channel by directly convoing people. CCP actually does investigate recruitment scams and does take action if there is an add in the channel. In my case the did not.

As also mentioned in my first post i learned my lesson and moved on. Some players don't and this is why they quit.
No need to get angry about it or take it personally. If you are finding people being amazingly bad then perhaps reassess your post which is most definitely erroneous
Felicity Love
Doomheim
#80 - 2014-06-25 14:29:55 UTC
Goons have nobody to play with... recruiting "kills" = genius ... but it's also like the "casting couch", either way you get screwed. P

"EVE is dying." -- The Four Forum Trolls of the Apocalypse.   ( Pick four, any four. They all smell.  )