Player Features and Ideas Discussion

Hello there.
This has been going on for far too long... You have to agree with me on that whenever anybody talks about the T3 cruisers, everybody suggest one using the Tengu... or when doing level 4 missions, everybody suggest using the Golem.

These missile boats have become overpowered and completely overshadow every other race ships. The same goes for Pirate factions, the Nightmare is close to useless compared to the Vindicator or the Machariel.

It seems to me that Caldari has been "owning" the universe of New Eden for quite too long.
I think one of the best examples of how overpowered the Tengu is, is by showing it with HAM missiles where it hits over the 900 dps, which can only be matched with a Battleship. A cruiser doing more damage than a BS, how pathetic is that?

Now, Amarr could live in peace with their own PVE, if the Pirate factions like Guristas and Serpentis wasn't so ridicously strong in EM and Thermal damage, and I seriously mean ridicously strong... Especially in The Assault and Dread Pirate Scarlett where it's close to impossible for Amarr battleships to break their tank without sacrificing too much of their own tank for dmg mods.
Now I could just choose not to do it... Sure, but that would create an imbalance where it's easier for Caldari to do it, making it easier for them to earn isk than everyone else.

Beside this, Caldari has always been able to keep up their dps without sacrificing tank for dps, which is also a problem that needs fixing or balancing.

I think this is a urgent problem in the world of PVE that needs adressing relatively soon. Of all the races, Amarr are the ones who has the biggest challenge in PVE. Amarr ships has to sacrifice a great deal of tank to keep up dps, unlike Caldari who got their fancy invulability modules.

Thanks in advance
Regards
Celthric

My tengu does 780 dps with just RLML. That's nearly perfect application against any ship bigger than a destroyer FYI, no losses anywhere.

Now add your reload time, and recalculate the DPS.

Also, and not as a point of contention in the discussion but just because I simply don't know, what's the effective range of RLML's in a properly fit Tengu?

Seriously go read the RLML thread, I'm not crossposting that information again. I already worked it out and in quite a bit of detail.

If you think Caldari is OP you're sadly mistaken, Caldari is in a decent place right now, but HAMs and HMs suck bigtime, RLML are decent, but the reload time is very limiting for solo and small gangs. FoTM right now is Gallente, or more specifically Ishtars.

Can't say I know the feeling.

#GallenteMasterRace #DroneSwag #CalPlebs

Have you considered going to run your silly little missions for someone else, where you can fight rats who aren't serpantis or guristas?

Caldari trades tank for utility. Webs, points, propmods, painters, damps, ECM, sebos...need I go on?

Shield and armour tanking are different animals. Please don't embarass yourself by comparing the two.

Please realise that misison balance and PVP balance are different things. Caldari missile boats, while they may be fine for misisons, are not in a good place for PVP combat. Nerfing them further is not a good idea. HMLs certainly need a buff, but I admit I've never really used HAMs, so can't really comment.


(Also, your 900 DPS tengu can be outdone by Legion and Proteus setups pretty easily. Also Brutix/Talos/Naga. And Ishtars can get pretty damn close. 900 DPS from a sub BS ship is really not that impressive.)

The Golem is the best for L4s, and that's your argument?

No **** missiles are good for PvE. Thankfully there's quite a bit more to the game than PvE, and even more thankfully the game isn't balanced around PvE capabilities.

Some Caldari pilots would argue that the Reactive Armor Hardener is OP compared to... Well... Anything shield tanking has to offer. That's why they show up in this very forum on a regular basis asking for a shield variety of the same module.

Training time has nothing to do with this conversation, it's your personal experience and ability to fit and use the ships appropriately that have an impact.

The Legion apparently has enough tank to survive the 13,000 DPS PvE volleys that can be found in Incursions, because the good fella has yet to lose one. But that's with Logi. If I wanted to re-fit the same ship for missioning I'd just put dual T2 reps on it for 1200 armor repaired every 9 second cycle, a single EANM and a thermal trimark rig and call it a day.

Having the two damage types balances out the fact that Amarr uses crystals, plain and simple. Crystals are amazing, they are arguably the best ammo type in Eve, so just step away from that discussion before it even starts.

Nah, he mentioned Omni tanking, which is part of his problem.