Player Features and Ideas Discussion

At this point we can only assume your reading comprehension is Zero, you are not interested in discussing the topic of the thread and keep repeating the same thing over and over, as if typing it out 40 times makes it true.

Trolling and intentionally derailing threads is apparently your way of playing the game, I hope others follow my example and stop responding to your intentional distractions.

Ironic that you say adapt or die, considering how static and secure hisec incursions are.

The butthurt is strong in this thread... very strong....
I've run incursions. Or should I say I plugged my in-game wallet into the incursion fountain, and went AFK while my wallet accrued millions upon millions of ISK completely risk-free while I sat in station. Oh wait... that's not how incursions work you pansies. Grow the **** up or go back to your nullsec blue doughnut.

What I actually do is load up a Loki for as much damage as I can make it deal, as thin of a tank as I can get by with without an FC crying, and then I go gamble it on other pilots giving me the reps I need in time to save my ass. I pack my ship full of faction and deadspace mods, knowing the other pilots are doing the same, because collectively it makes for a more efficient team and a more enjoyable experience when I have more ISKies to spend on other, non-incursion, things. So if you have a problem with improving ship performance, you must be content to fly a T1 fitted T1 ship in all of your endeavors. Right?

As for secure, it was accurately brought up that every incursioneer goes through the gank hubs and pipes. A lot. A whole ******* lot. Probably at least every other incursion despawn, on average I would guess. So if incursions are "too safe" for you to collect your oh so valuable tears from a gate camp in Niarja while scores of pilots parade past you, then maybe it's time for you to go find another game to play. Or, since the hassle of scanning a ship, tackling and then engaging from your oh so comfy gatecamp, where you're probably AFK whining on forums about incursions being too safe, maybe you should just go to youtube and watch other people play the game that has you so stumped.

Alternatively, you could remap some serious points into Intelligence and realize just how pants-on-head you sound. Or you could campaign for CCP to insta-tackle any ship coming through a gate, that way CCP can hold you hand and walk you through the intense mechanics of your chosen playstyle.

Have a nice day

I approve this. Buy this man a tanker of Tully, or similar.

internet spaceships srs bznz

I see your point, but partially for the sake of argument:

The fact that you have to load your ship up with the thinnest tank you can get away with is not CCP's fault, its a decision that is made by the community you run with. It is perfectly possible to run with more tank and still finish the incursion. It will always be a gamble as to whether or not you will catch reps in time, this much I will concede. Any bling mods you throw onto your ship are your choice, they are not required to be able to do the sites in any way, shape or form (with the exception perhaps of faction webs, those really do make a lot of difference). In short, this part of your argument is invalid. This is roughly comparable to a lvl 4 mission runner shouting "I put a lot of expensive stuff on my ship and got ganked, now I should get reimbursed because I paid so much money".

If however we pretend for a moment that your arguments ARE valid, let us have a look at the other parts of space where incursions take place, lowsec and nullsec. The sites are the same, equally difficult or easy. If your arguments are valid, people will need the same ships to run them smoothly, with the same expensive mods. I think we can take it for a fact that the risk is simply much higher in these parts of space. In order to be able to run with some measure of safety, a lot more effort has to be expended, for a very small measure of extra reward. If the risk/reward ratio is fine in highsec, as you seem to be advocating, then there is no getting around the fact that incursions in less secure space should provide much better rewards than they currently do.

The bear is stron in this thread...


Please do not compare really hard pve like fw missions with incursions. In fw missions there pops a beacon for everyone in system when you open a mission and mostly 3 inties are already wating for you on the gate when you land to ***** your **** off.

Give incursions more risk. All these bears taking almost no risk is a bad joke.
Plus as far as I have already seen incursions are like eve everywhere nowadays: single guys with no life 8boxing ships with isboxer.
Can´t CCP please take this war on bots seriously? Guys 90boxing mining barges, 8boxing bombers, 6 boxing machas... All with ISBOXER.
Weird... wasn´t there a paragraph saying 3rd party software is prohibited?
But ah yes. CCP doen´t care about how many people play this game. All they want are 1000 guys with 30k accounts^^

While additional sites that are more designed around the advantages of smaller ships would be very good to increase the viability of different fleet concepts and make Incursions more a teamwork effort of different channels instead a constant struggle to play against each other, preventing the ability to field BS will have a very bad effect on new players(that can't fly ABC, T3 or HACs well) and also would create lots of issues in progression fleets, that start with VGs and upgrade to AS and then HQ as the grow.

OIC did run 5.5 minute sites on the Islands with just a single BS on grid(my pala for safety reasons) and the rest of the people in HACs, ABCs and T3, that was even with 50%+ red bar. So it wouldn't even change that much in the end, just making it harder for new players to get into effective fleets.



I am sorry for some of the people in this thread, providing a clarification for the bad image high sec Inc runners have in the eyes of many. However, we are not all like this. I did hear something that matches very closely your first post from one of my FCs that also does Inc FCing for GS when a Inc needs to get cleared. I know fairly well how much more of a logistical challenge it is, by doing Island Incs, where pirate BS and super expensive fittings are out of the question for most and you have to improvise a lot with fittings and ships to fly to archive a decent result with the people you have(what goes as far as getting a custom solution for people that can't use certain T2 mods or can't fly BS/ABCs/HACs/T3 moved in and assembled just for them). I am also aware that high skilled players that could be a very good asset in the fleets can make more ISK by plexing, ratting or farming annos with the proper hulls and that most people will not invest and move specific Inc fitted hulls in 0.0 when most need to get removed as quick as possible and the hulls would collect dust most of the time, only being dead weight in the hangar that also needs to be moved when people want to or have to move elsewhere.

I do believe that low and 0.0 Incs should be changed a bit(even the Islands) because even when the mechanics are similar they take place in compete different environments what changes the way you run them fairly drastic.

For 0.0\Low Sec:

- Separate the cyno jamming from the presence of the Inc, making it a extra site type(VG or AS) that can be done to remove the cyno jamming effect for a certain amount of time(like 3h) giving alliances a way to influence the mechanic and giving some Alliances a stronger interest to have a few guys that know how to and do run them, giving them a strategic tool to allow or restrict mobility at her will and/or a specific site that could be done to shut it down for good(without removing the Inc as well).
- Reduce the incoming dps a bit to allow high dps glass cannon setups with cheaper mods and to reduce the impact of lower SP players on safety and site times.
- Allow a bit more players on grid for the full payout (like 20% more -> 12 in VG, 24 in AS, 48 in HQ) to fasten up site times, give the FC more room to bring in another logi to compensate or lower skills/cheaper hulls and mods, more room for specific utility hulls like a long range web Loki or build fleets that are better prepared for PVP encounters. It also helps to include more players that would be interested to participate, while the amount of FCs might be limited at times
- Reduce the speed the red bar fills up again(by 25-50%) since you often have longer breaks, far less fleets around, less participation or need to move on to other stuff(like a pvp op, hauling, scouting for somebody or handling stuff for your corp/alliance) and this makes brining the red bar down much more difficult.

For Islands:

Well I would welcome the ability to bring a few more hulls on grid without lowering the payout(because FCs and boosters are a scare resource out there and sitting around on a WL after taking all the efforts to get out there is depressing, knowing there is not much else you could do out there without ships) and changes to the speed the red bar builds up again would be very nice, but at most a more stable time frame for them. A lot of the Islands that spawned in the last few months only had like 3 days on them. That creates lots of issues for people that actually want to run them, since it often takes like a day to move in enough ships, mods, ammo and other stuff to be able to run out there and most people are not really convinced to move herself or even a expensive ship out there when the Inc is already mobilized one day after it spawned in the first place, knowing that the next day they might have to do the same trip again.

Incursion pilots have to fly through Niarja...

Sooo?.... Why is this important? If Niarja is such a bad and scary place where all the Incursion runners go to die, carry some T2 tank fittings in your cargo hold and re-fit while traveling. It shouldn't be hard to triple your tank to travel for a few million isk.

You're in High sec, there are stations everywhere or you can carry a mobile depot. If people are trying to suicide gank you it's not in your best interest to fight back anyways just in case something screwy happens with crimewatch. Just fit a heavy tank and watch them die because they didn't bring enough DPS, scoop their wrecks for a little extra profit if it suits you, then go repair and continue on your day.

Re-fitting for travel shouldn't be that hard. Anyone losing those pimped out BS's that already have faction tank they can add to to suicide gankers must be sleeping at the keyboard.

Please learn the difference between FW missions and FW plexs.

If they are botting SB to run plexs they are doing it wrong