Warfare & Tactics

It's working great, but one change might possibly improve it for PVP.

If there are militia capsuleer ships in the plex from the same faction, then the navy ships will not engage any opposing capsuleers. They will prefer to sit back and let the militia duke it out, rather than to risk their own lives.

If no defending capsuleers are there, then they will have to earn their pay and defend as they do now.

That should improve the situation for attacking soloers, and even make sense to the storyline. If an attacker put an alt from defending faction in the plex to stop the npc aggression, then that will also stop the timer.

This is to some extent true, if slightly exaggerated. Medium plexes can be done with a silly slicer on a 500m orbit with conflagration. Problem is somewhere else :

I have almost half of the pvp I had before Kronos INSIDE plexes. It's easier to defend than attack plexes now. Thanks God for the pies/neutrals that visit often and care little about rats inside plexes or there would no no fights at all. With that being said I like the fact that I have to undock my cruisers for medium and large plexes. I suppose lowering the dps on rats would help balance things out.

Also, honestly what's the issue with WCS? In my hangar i have several dual scram taranis and atrons and a astero to deal with this type of players. CCP gave our pray some tools to have fun, it's our turn to outsmart them. Stop crying to ban WCS in plexes as that is killing the sandbox mkay?

I fought a worm in my hawk. Popped him with 20% structure left and no dmg ctrl. Picked my loot, started to type gf in local.. rat appeared at the beginning of that fight.. forgot about him and killed me! Lol.. so funny. As im podding back home I notice my lossmail was 50m isk more than it shoulda been. Quickly hopped in a crow and picked up that navy web or whatever it was.

Moral of the story. Do not **** around! Kill the rat asap, bring the deeps.

Honestly the changes are good. The guys that disagree need to change their attitude and likely stop using kitey condors.

not true ; check the thread about the vPs, and the state of the systems contestation prover the opposite.

So the changes are good just need the last touch and it will be perfect.

Good Sirs;

At max skills you can solo a novice offensive plex in a t1 3stabbed rifter. It does take a long time and lots of ammo.

as soon as anyone shows up you have to warp away of course.

I have to agree that fw isn't so much for solo pirates anymore and that means less solo pvp.

I never payed attention to the meta game of who owns what system that the farmers were messing up (other than it was a long way from hek to the nearest ammar system). The meta game about taking systems and all that probably interested guys who ran fw guilds and they are probably happy. But for the solo pvp player, the game is even duller now.


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seasaw

I don't think this can really be said to have had the intended effect. I still see plenty of stabbed farmers - they just tend to be d-plexing. So, it nerfed their income a little (which is fine), but it didn't persuade them to fit actual combat ships and pewpew.

Meanwhile, the increased DPS of the plex rats means o-plexers are less inclined to stick around for a fight. They're actually less inclined to pewpew.

I'd have to agree with this one it seems a lot harder to find solo fights.I'm at the point where i just engage anything that is in the plex even though i know i'll never win just to at least have a fight.Was begging a daredevil to engage my t1 ship the other day just because i had jumped 15 systems without a fight and i even thanked him after he shot it to hell in a blink.


However i don't know if it is purely because of the changes , the summertime or a mentallity change.


And then there's allways the ''everything used to be better'' ....

1. You stated that the changes haven't had the intended effect, then mentioned the change to deplexing and a "small" reduction in income. I stated that the changes were never intended to stop farming, the deplex adaptation was easily foreseen, and that the income reduction isn't "small" - it's actually pretty major.

2. You stated the changes haven't forced farmers to fight. I've been arguing for a while that there's no way to force them to fight, and there's nothing in the changes that should lead us to assume they were intended to force them to fight.

3. The heavier tanks on the NPCs are in fact forcing higher DPS fits on farmers who choose to offensive plex, which is a change from before. Which is in fact working as intended.

4. I haven't observed an increase in rat DPS, which you claim is discouraging PvP. Rat spawn rates do make it more likely for one to be in the plex while you're getting pewed, though, which I concede may lead folks to be more risk averse - especially when attempting to run larger plexes in smaller ships.

I may be giving the average forum poster far too much credit, in assuming that they have been following the various threads on these changes and can understand what I actually typed, instead of assuming that I can psychically intuit the hidden meaning behind their post.

Nope, been counseled regarding my optimistic outlook for reasoned debate several times. Doesn't stick.

I never needed counseling , i just got married , killed off any optimism left in me .