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Profitable alternatives to L4s for a sissy carebear.

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Seth's Dead
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#1 - 2014-06-24 15:54:45 UTC
I am looking for something to do (active, and not by station trading and such) to just make some ISK, and come out of my L4 grind. After a bit of an EVE break, I want to come back and try some new stuff, but I am still too cowardly to make a move to 0.0, or try my hand at low sec or wormholes.

Someone is likely to suggest mining, but please keep in mind that I am looking for something that is at least somewhat entertaining, and not simply watching paint dry. ;) I was thinking of trying out exploration, possibly in an SoE ship, but I am not sure that will be profitable (enough) in high sec. Keep in mind that I will also be playing just the one character, and I am looking for stuff that is at least fairly low risk. (I have been around long enough to know that nothing is risk free, so I will say low risk relative to EVE standards, lol)

So yeah, if you have some ideas on what I could do for some decent ISK, as well as something new, let me know, and I apologize in advance for being a scum of the earth, pansy carebear that is playing the game wrong. :P
Abrazzar
Vardaugas Family
#2 - 2014-06-24 16:01:16 UTC
Exploration in a covert ops ship in low or null. Really the only occupation that can be done solo like missions with somewhat similar income. Or try ninja ratting in 0.0, I hear 80% of the systems are empty.
Funty Cuckmuffin
Capsuleer Liberation Directorate
#3 - 2014-06-24 16:01:33 UTC
Embrace HTFU and get your guns warmed up. If you find yourself a good group to roam with, the entertainment will be provided by the metric f*ck tonne!

You don't need to have a big investment to PvP and if you join faction warfare you can earn ISKies, LP and renown P

I tried wormholing once, it tickled

Seven Koskanaiken
Shadow Legions.
SONS of BANE
#4 - 2014-06-24 16:08:10 UTC
Scam.
Marsha Mallow
#5 - 2014-06-24 16:11:35 UTC
Find a corp that does a variety of things and try them all? Even if you are a bit risk-averse it opens up more opportunities. It's not *that* hard to run things like level 5s or pirate missions in NPC space if you're in a decent corp.

You sound like you might enjoy Incursions though, look up some of the public groups. You will need a decent ship to get in but you'll make the money back fast and it's more interesting than level 4s.

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Kaarous Aldurald
Black Hydra Consortium.
#6 - 2014-06-24 16:11:54 UTC
Ninja gas mining.

You fit up a Prospect for gas mining and scanning, scan down wormholes in highsec. Once you find one, refit to a cloak (I recommend bringing a depot, probes, and a launcher in case you get stuck), then go in, ninja their gas, leave to sell it, and repeat.

Plus side is that you also don't have to deal with the hacking minigame.

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KnowUsByTheDead
Sunlight...Through The Blight.
#7 - 2014-06-24 16:14:30 UTC
Seven Koskanaiken wrote:
Scam.


/thread.

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Christina Project
Screaming Head in a Box.
#8 - 2014-06-24 16:15:37 UTC
I guess you don't like having friends, do you?

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Malcolm Shinhwa
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#9 - 2014-06-24 16:17:30 UTC
I do not understand being cowardly in video game, but is a sandbox so let your freak flag fly... since you've basically ruled out any pvp:

Join nullsec renter corp. Make mad isk in the anoms, scour the systems for data and ghost sites. As long as you don't AFK and do pay attention to intel channels you will do the least amount of dying. You could join a wh corp, but your chances of having non consensual relations with other pilots goes up substantially from any other space. If lowsec were a movie it would be The Road Warrior.

Basically L4s in hisec are the ultimate in isk generation boredom. You won't find more engaging PVE content. The only thing that makes Eve fun and exciting is messing with other players or avoiding being messed with. Come play with us. I promise it is a lot of fun, even when your clone gets activated.

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LUMINOUS SPIRIT
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#10 - 2014-06-24 16:21:27 UTC
Seth's Dead wrote:
I am looking for something to do (active, and not by station trading and such) to just make some ISK, and come out of my L4 grind. After a bit of an EVE break, I want to come back and try some new stuff, but I am still too cowardly to make a move to 0.0, or try my hand at low sec or wormholes.

Someone is likely to suggest mining, but please keep in mind that I am looking for something that is at least somewhat entertaining, and not simply watching paint dry. ;) I was thinking of trying out exploration, possibly in an SoE ship, but I am not sure that will be profitable (enough) in high sec. Keep in mind that I will also be playing just the one character, and I am looking for stuff that is at least fairly low risk. (I have been around long enough to know that nothing is risk free, so I will say low risk relative to EVE standards, lol)

So yeah, if you have some ideas on what I could do for some decent ISK, as well as something new, let me know, and I apologize in advance for being a scum of the earth, pansy carebear that is playing the game wrong. :P


High-sec is in general very low-profit margin. Once you have done level 4 missions, thats it, time to move on, or do incursions.

In terms of incursions, there are two or three groups that run perma fleets and have their own channels for fleet invites - but to get in you need a flashy battleship more or less. good isk there, 100mil per hour give or take. but thats the upper limit on high sec pretty much. all the other money is made in trading and industry.

wormholes are nice, but the stuff that you can solo in a SOE ship is lower-class, c1-c2, possibly c3, and its not really more money then L4 missions. Higher end wormholes you start getting into serious PvE, and you will require specialized ships and tools, and a base of operations like a POS or a carrier - for that you need to join a wormhole corp - plenty are recruiting on the forums in the relevant sections.

null-sec and low-sec is your next logical step. exploration there is SIGNIFICANTLY more profitable, and unlike wormholes, has no rats in the sites, so you dont need a pimped ship - an astero will do just fine. In fact, a lot of folks use asteros and just fly all over EVE exploring. How this works is, they scan out a wormhole that takes them into deep null, bypassing all the gatecamps. Once in null, 95% of it is empty, explore to your hearts content, then find an exit wormhole back to empire space. Very doable in an astero or even a stratios (you need cargo space for longer deployments). I reccomend you try this and get comfortable with null, then progress further.
Ramona McCandless
Silent Vale
LinkNet
#11 - 2014-06-24 16:23:19 UTC
Buy a plex

Sell it

Buy a Cheaper Plex

Sell it

Buy a cheaper Plex

Sell it

Buy two cheaper plex

Sell them

(I think you can see where this is going)

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KnowUsByTheDead
Sunlight...Through The Blight.
#12 - 2014-06-24 16:29:20 UTC
Ramona McCandless wrote:
Buy a plex

Sell it

Buy a Cheaper Plex

Sell it

Buy a cheaper Plex

Sell it

Buy two cheaper plex

Sell them

(I think you can see where this is going)


<3 Ramona. Such insight. Much amaze. Wow.

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Saraki Ishikela
Perkone
Caldari State
#13 - 2014-06-24 16:31:44 UTC
Set up a Low Sec Base of Operations. I have a few Astero's stashed in Low Sec and run Exploration, You find lots of worm holes that connect to Null Sec regions and you can pilfer those for good isk too. With the right ship and know how you can minimize your risks.

If you're already running level 4's your skill set would compliment incursions with a good group for great isk.

If you're truly risk averse you can run missions for Research Agents and train a few science skills and set up research agents for some passive isk generation.

You can research BPO's and sell them at a profit. (just be careful when transporting them to market)

Station Trading is popular



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Billy Hix
Dreddit
Test Alliance Please Ignore
#14 - 2014-06-24 18:16:29 UTC
Incursions
Unsuccessful At Everything
The Troll Bridge
#15 - 2014-06-24 18:28:58 UTC
Seth's Dead wrote:
I am still too cowardly to make a move to 0.0, or try my hand at low sec or wormholes.



Aaaaaaaaaand we found the ISK problem.

Since the cessation of their usefulness is imminent, may I appropriate your belongings?

Organic Lager
Drinking Buddies
#16 - 2014-06-24 18:54:48 UTC
High sec suicide ganking is a low risk, high return activity. Trash your sec status then start l4s again to build it back up.
BeBopAReBop RhubarbPie
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#17 - 2014-06-24 18:55:17 UTC  |  Edited by: BeBopAReBop RhubarbPie
Billy Hix wrote:
Incursions

Basically this. Incursions are the only high isk pve combat activity in high sec. Unfortunately they aren't much more interesting than missions except than that they're multi-player.

I recommend looking into some of the safe low/null.w-space activities though. Most have been listed already but these include:
- Data/Relic sites in Low/Null
- C5/C6 ninja Wormhole gas mining (grab a venture or prospect. Set a timer for 17 minutes. Find site, start timer, mine, run like hell)
- Faction Warfare missions (solo, similar isk to incursions, do-able in a stealth bomber, do your research first)

Finally if you just like high sec, but actually want to pvp (especially against players that are unequipped to fight back), check out suicide ganking and safari's. Links are in my signature.

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LUMINOUS SPIRIT
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#18 - 2014-06-24 19:30:21 UTC  |  Edited by: LUMINOUS SPIRIT
Organic Lager wrote:
High sec suicide ganking is a low risk, high return activity. Trash your sec status then start l4s again to build it back up.


its not high-return at all. to high sec gankers 100mil is a lot of money. to everyone else its chump change.

anyhow, high sec ganking is only profitable for isboxed accounts that can gank freighters and brick-tanked t3's. once-a-month spectacular solo ganks dont count as steady income stream.

what can you gank with 1 tornado, realistically? t1 untanked haulers. nut much money in those. and what is he going to scoop the loot with, he said - 1 ship only.
Seth's Dead
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#19 - 2014-06-24 19:52:24 UTC
Lets say that, theoretically, I would be willing to do low risk low-sec/null sec stuff. Examples of such being what was mentioned above. (minus the ninja gas thing, which I dont like the feeling of) What sort of ships (no need for fittings an skills, I will do the legwork on that) are we talking? If I was willing to probe down wormholes and try to shortcut to null to rat/explore, what is my best bet for low risk? I mean low risk for me, as I know the risk of being popped is there, but I mean what is a reasonably priced ship that will get the job done?

If I am going to dip my tow in the water to see how cold it is, I want to minimize the damage. Are we talking SoE ships, covert ops, black ops, what?

Faction warfare doesnt appeal to me in the least, and pirating and scamming isnt something that I want to be a part of.
Seth's Dead
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#20 - 2014-06-24 20:00:02 UTC
Also, I just want to put out there that the activity doesnt need to be more profitable as L4s. I just want something else to do for ISK, and as long as it is somewhere in the same ballpark it will be fine. I am not exactly busting my butt in L4s, so I dont think that I break about 40-50 mil an hour. I usually play in short bursts as well, so a lot of the big ISK missions are not an option for me, as I like to come back with my Noctis and clean up afterwards to wind down. Most people say that it hurts ISK per hour, but I like looting and seeing what was there.
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