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Solo gate camp in Low sec

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Knight TheCross
Forgoten Industries
#1 - 2014-06-24 06:11:09 UTC
I was just recently podded in my iteron by a single guy in a gnosis who was camped in a low sec gate. I knew instantly I'd be gone when I saw him and a couple of Industrial wrecks around him. But its given me the idea to try to do the same. Seemed pretty lucrative.
Just some info from you guys on what would work best for solo gate camps? Frigate/bomber/cruiser etc? Would think just t1 ships could do it without worrying to much about the cost of getting blown up myself. I'm trained up in gallante Blink

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Loraine Gess
Confedeferate Union of Tax Legalists
#2 - 2014-06-24 06:44:18 UTC
It's only profitable if people are stupid enough to wander into you carrying goods with no sort of escape ability whatsoever. If they are that stupid, they would do well not to try to emulate others' behavior on a whim...
Daniel Plain
Doomheim
#3 - 2014-06-24 07:02:27 UTC
doing anything solo in lowsec is asking for trouble. if you are dead set on trying it, you should pick a ship hat can tank the gate guns for a while.

I should buy an Ishtar.
Cara Forelli
State War Academy
Caldari State
#4 - 2014-06-24 15:35:08 UTC
Knight TheCross wrote:
Frigate/bomber/cruiser etc?


T1 Frigs and bombers will get ripped apart by the gate guns almost instantly. A cruiser is possible, but you need to tank it enough to last a couple seconds against gate guns and warp out comfortably. Ideally something with a lot of upfront damage. I know a guy that loves his RLML Caracal for this.

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Bronson Hughes
The Knights of the Blessed Mother of Acceleration
#5 - 2014-06-24 16:10:32 UTC
Knight TheCross wrote:
I was just recently podded in my iteron by a single guy in a gnosis who was camped in a low sec gate. I knew instantly I'd be gone when I saw him and a couple of Industrial wrecks around him. But its given me the idea to try to do the same. Seemed pretty lucrative.
Just some info from you guys on what would work best for solo gate camps? Frigate/bomber/cruiser etc? Would think just t1 ships could do it without worrying to much about the cost of getting blown up myself. I'm trained up in gallante Blink


When you say "podded", do you mean that you lost your ship and got away in your pod, or lost your ship and got your pod blown up as well? Generally speaking, the term "podding" only refers to the latter, and if you're at the keyboard and paying attention, it should rarely happen in empire space. If you know you're going down, pick a warpable object and just start spamming "Warp To"; unless they are hitting you with smartbombs or have an absolutely absurd scan resolution and lightning quick reflexes you'll get away.

Solo gate camping in losec is something of an art. You need a ship with enough tank to survive gate gun fire, enough DPS to kill your targets, enough mobility/range to kill said target within a 20km sphere, and a fast enough lock time to tackle them before they warp away.

Easy, right?

A sensor-boosted battlecruiser is fairly standard. Cruisers and below have a hard time combining tank with DPS, and battleships tend to lock too slowly. Destroyers and frigates are a definite no-go; they cannot tank gate guns and will almost certainly die within a few seconds. Even 'ceptors cannot speed tank the guns. (Ask me how I know. Oops)

Having said all that, if you're new to PvP, I would not suggest starting out soloing on gates. I got my start soloing going from belt to belt looking for 'ratters. Here, a frigate or cruiser is ideal because you don't have gate guns to worry about. Pick a ship that does damage type not aligned with the local NPCs (i.e. don't use lasers in Sansha/Blood Raider territory), pick your targets carefully, avoid fights on gates, and have at it.

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Dato Koppla
Spaghetti Militia
#6 - 2014-06-24 23:47:51 UTC
If you really want to give it a try I'd use something like this:

[Hurricane, Solo Gatecmp]

Damage Control II
Gyrostabilizer II
Gyrostabilizer II
Gyrostabilizer II
Tracking Enhancer II
Power Diagnostic System II

Sensor Booster II, Scan Resolution Script
Sensor Booster II, Scan Resolution Script
Sensor Booster II, Scan Resolution Script
Large Shield Extender II

720mm Howitzer Artillery II, Republic Fleet Phased Plasma M
720mm Howitzer Artillery II, Republic Fleet Phased Plasma M
720mm Howitzer Artillery II, Republic Fleet Phased Plasma M
720mm Howitzer Artillery II, Republic Fleet Phased Plasma M
720mm Howitzer Artillery II, Republic Fleet Phased Plasma M
720mm Howitzer Artillery II, Republic Fleet Phased Plasma M
[Empty High slot]

Medium Anti-EM Screen Reinforcer I
Medium Core Defense Field Extender I
Medium Core Defense Field Extender I


Hornet EC-300 x4
Vespa EC-600 x1

Enough alpha to one shot frigates (although you don't have the scanres to catch most frigates) and industrials, enough tank to tank gateguns for a second shot if need be (41k EHP), ECM drones for GTFO if you miss your shot and get tackled. It's pretty cheap too at 66mil before insurance. If you want to go cheaper you can pretty much go for exactly the same fit on a Rupture and you'll get about half the alpha, half the tank and half the cost. If you want to go more expensive you can go for a Loki which will have 1k more alpha and 10k more EHP, and most importantly, more than double the scan res at around 2k scanres so it can actually catch frigs (not interceptors though). However a Loki is also 5x the price at around about 300mil.

Disclaimer: You'll get blown up alot solo gatecamping, so you have to be very aware of your surroundings and ideally you want a scout on the other side of the gate because once you **** someone off, likely they will come back to gank you. I've actually done it before in the Rupture I suggested and got some pretty good kills, but it's very risky.
Knight TheCross
Forgoten Industries
#7 - 2014-06-25 02:46:08 UTC
[quote=Bronson Hughes]
When you say "podded", do you mean that you lost your ship and got away in your pod, or lost your ship and got your pod blown up as well? Generally speaking, the term "podding" only refers to the latter, and if you're at the keyboard and paying attention, it should rarely happen in empire space. If you know you're going down, pick a warpable object and just start spamming "Warp To"; unless they are hitting you with smartbombs or have an absolutely absurd scan resolution and lightning quick reflexes you'll get away.quote]

Yes I lost my pod. This guy was very good, I was locked before I even started to align my pod. A corp member came in a cloaky to scout it out afterwards. Took an hour to plan it through. (There was no other way around to get to where I needed to go)

Anyways am I right that gate guns don't attack if you're a flashy red criminal?

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IIshira
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#8 - 2014-06-25 03:44:54 UTC
Knight TheCross wrote:
[quote=Bronson Hughes]
When you say "podded", do you mean that you lost your ship and got away in your pod, or lost your ship and got your pod blown up as well? Generally speaking, the term "podding" only refers to the latter, and if you're at the keyboard and paying attention, it should rarely happen in empire space. If you know you're going down, pick a warpable object and just start spamming "Warp To"; unless they are hitting you with smartbombs or have an absolutely absurd scan resolution and lightning quick reflexes you'll get away.quote]

Yes I lost my pod. This guy was very good, I was locked before I even started to align my pod. A corp member came in a cloaky to scout it out afterwards. Took an hour to plan it through. (There was no other way around to get to where I needed to go)

Anyways am I right that gate guns don't attack if you're a flashy red criminal?


Search on YouTube Eve how not to get podded".

Being "good" isn't how he got you. There is no "Podding" and "Advanced Podding" skills. He got you because you didn't know how to get your pod out. I've been on both sides of this experience Big smile
Praxis Ginimic
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#9 - 2014-06-25 08:21:50 UTC  |  Edited by: Praxis Ginimic
Knight TheCross wrote:
[quote=Bronson Hughes]
Anyways am I right that gate guns don't attack if you're a flashy red criminal?


Gate guns won't target you if you shoot at a flashy red, or some one who has agressed you first. If you commit a crime on a gate or station you will take sentry fire.

Gate camping isn't really a solo activity. It gets boring really fast even with company. Another thing... if you use that hurricane fit posted above you will be wrecked by any random cruiser that happens upon you.
Dato Koppla
Spaghetti Militia
#10 - 2014-06-25 11:54:41 UTC
Praxis Ginimic wrote:
Knight TheCross wrote:
[quote=Bronson Hughes]
Anyways am I right that gate guns don't attack if you're a flashy red criminal?


Gate guns won't target you if you shoot at a flashy red, or some one who has agressed you first. If you commit a crime on a gate or station you will take sentry fire.

Gate camping isn't really a solo activity. It gets boring really fast even with company. Another thing... if you use that hurricane fit posted above you will be wrecked by any random cruiser that happens upon you.


I already mentioned that it only has enough alpha for frigs/industrials, your target range is terrible, but that's what you get for solo gatecamping. Buffer tanked Cruisers will survive your initial volley and mess you up, but if you don't shoot them (and you're not a criminal) they're not really about to engage you on gate solo and take gateguns, and even if they do you can just jump through and warp away.

Another option for solo gatecamping is sitting @ 50km with an arty nado, I've even managed to one shot active tanked cruisers in those, but those are more expensive and you're very vulnerable to being probed down and tackled or being snuck up on by something like a Stealth Bomber.
Hakaari Inkuran
State War Academy
Caldari State
#11 - 2014-06-25 14:50:11 UTC
Knight TheCross wrote:
I was just recently podded in my iteron by a single guy in a gnosis who was camped in a low sec gate. I knew instantly I'd be gone when I saw him and a couple of Industrial wrecks around him. But its given me the idea to try to do the same. Seemed pretty lucrative.
Just some info from you guys on what would work best for solo gate camps? Frigate/bomber/cruiser etc? Would think just t1 ships could do it without worrying to much about the cost of getting blown up myself. I'm trained up in gallante Blink

How'd you get podded by a solo guy in space where you can't put up a bubble? Do you mean you got popped?
African Angel
Pator Tech School
Minmatar Republic
#12 - 2014-06-26 01:36:44 UTC
you're really asking for it if you dont duo box a scout on the other side. most campers do.
Knight TheCross
Forgoten Industries
#13 - 2014-06-26 02:57:28 UTC
Hakaari Inkuran wrote:

How'd you get podded by a solo guy in space where you can't put up a bubble? Do you mean you got popped?


llshira wrote:

Search on YouTube Eve how not to get podded".

Being "good" isn't how he got you. There is no "Podding" and "Advanced Podding" skills. He got you because you didn't know how to get your pod out. I've been on both sides of this experience


Yes I know how not to get podded as I said earlier he had me targeted and attacked before I could align and warp. If it was so easy not to get podded then everyone would be safeShocked

And this post is about solo gate camping in low sec so please no more spam about pods pleaseBlink

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Dato Koppla
Spaghetti Militia
#14 - 2014-06-26 03:04:47 UTC
Knight TheCross wrote:
Hakaari Inkuran wrote:

How'd you get podded by a solo guy in space where you can't put up a bubble? Do you mean you got popped?


llshira wrote:

Search on YouTube Eve how not to get podded".

Being "good" isn't how he got you. There is no "Podding" and "Advanced Podding" skills. He got you because you didn't know how to get your pod out. I've been on both sides of this experience


Yes I know how not to get podded as I said earlier he had me targeted and attacked before I could align and warp. If it was so easy not to get podded then everyone would be safeShocked

And this post is about solo gate camping in low sec so please no more spam about pods pleaseBlink


You don't know how to not get podded, there's no excuse for getting podded by a solo Battlecruiser in lowsec. There is no align time for pods, they warp instantly, as long as you're spamming warp when your ship is going down, the chance of you getting podded is extremely small even by something with like 2000 scanres (and if that happens, it's usually due to latency problems). The only times I've been podded in lowsec was due to disconnects or massive lag cause of my crappy internet and crappy computer which is usually triggered by the graphics of my ship blowing up.

It's always good to have a 'warp to' tab on your overview and when your ship is in low hull and you know you're going to die, just click a random celestial and spam the warp to button.
Knight TheCross
Forgoten Industries
#15 - 2014-06-26 10:41:44 UTC
Dato Koppla wrote:


You don't know how to not get podded, there's no excuse for getting podded by a solo Battlecruiser in lowsec. There is no align time for pods, they warp instantly, as long as you're spamming warp when your ship is going down, the chance of you getting podded is extremely small even by something with like 2000 scanres (and if that happens, it's usually due to latency problems). The only times I've been podded in lowsec was due to disconnects or massive lag cause of my crappy internet and crappy computer which is usually triggered by the graphics of my ship blowing up.

It's always good to have a 'warp to' tab on your overview and when your ship is in low hull and you know you're going to die, just click a random celestial and spam the warp to button.


Yes I spam warp and all the rest blah rabble blah meh blah
And considering my crappy computer crashes if I'm in jita longer than 5 minutes I can put it to lag also!

But enough about the podding jeez.......

.....should have just wrote a topic on 'tell me over and over again about an irrelevant point in the question I asked' (I think I came up with my new sig)

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Dato Koppla
Spaghetti Militia
#16 - 2014-06-26 11:42:19 UTC
Knight TheCross wrote:
Dato Koppla wrote:


You don't know how to not get podded, there's no excuse for getting podded by a solo Battlecruiser in lowsec. There is no align time for pods, they warp instantly, as long as you're spamming warp when your ship is going down, the chance of you getting podded is extremely small even by something with like 2000 scanres (and if that happens, it's usually due to latency problems). The only times I've been podded in lowsec was due to disconnects or massive lag cause of my crappy internet and crappy computer which is usually triggered by the graphics of my ship blowing up.

It's always good to have a 'warp to' tab on your overview and when your ship is in low hull and you know you're going to die, just click a random celestial and spam the warp to button.


Yes I spam warp and all the rest blah rabble blah meh blah
And considering my crappy computer crashes if I'm in jita longer than 5 minutes I can put it to lag also!

But enough about the podding jeez.......

.....should have just wrote a topic on 'tell me over and over again about an irrelevant point in the question I asked' (I think I came up with my new sig)


I have given you lots of advice on solo gatecamping further out in this thread so at this point I was just addressing whatever was relevant in the thread.
Tuvar Hiede
Solidified Encounter
Solidified Strike Network
#17 - 2014-06-27 09:09:35 UTC
Knight TheCross wrote:
I was just recently podded in my iteron by a single guy in a gnosis who was camped in a low sec gate. I knew instantly I'd be gone when I saw him and a couple of Industrial wrecks around him. But its given me the idea to try to do the same. Seemed pretty lucrative.
Just some info from you guys on what would work best for solo gate camps? Frigate/bomber/cruiser etc? Would think just t1 ships could do it without worrying to much about the cost of getting blown up myself. I'm trained up in gallante Blink



It's been awhile but the low sec area I was in had a lot of botters running delivery missions meaning there was no cargo. U also need something that can tank gate fire long enough to bounce.
Praxis Ginimic
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#18 - 2014-06-27 14:24:02 UTC
Instead of gate camping solo amd in low sec have you considered grabing a partner with a cargo scanner and doing it in high sec with a catalyst or a gank vexor? More targets, better cargo, etc...
Lloyd Roses
Artificial Memories
#19 - 2014-06-27 14:37:34 UTC
You can also idle on a lowsec gate in a recharge jaguar. Noone will expect you to agress them on a gate, and if they start shooting back, they'll note how their dps and gateguns don't quite suffice to kill it :)

Also, insane scanres.