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confused about standings...

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Gor Yo
Taxes Shmuckses
#1 - 2014-06-24 10:04:31 UTC
So I was running security missions for Caldari Navy and then browsing though agent finder I noticed that I have even lvl 3 missions available from corporations I havent run any missions for. I look at standings and it looked like my Caldari standing was taken into account (or basically used since I had 0 standing with the corporation itself) to calculate the availability of missions.
Great, I thought and had this brilliant idea to keep grinding Caldari standing through storyline missions from just one corporation, in order not to spread out LPs, get it to 5 and have lvl IV missions from all Caldari corporations.
But yesterday I looked at it again, I have Caldari standing over 4 and all level III missions, except R&D missions for 2 corporations, are available to me. I have Lai Dai R&D missions of level III, I did maybe 1 or 2 missions for them a long time ago.
So how does this work? Faction standing added to Corporation standing for Security, Distribution and Mining missions, but not for R&D?
With Connections, my Lai Dai standing is about 1, not enough for level III missions, but with Caldari standing enough for level III and IV missions, yet I get only level III missions. Why? Faction standing only added for level III and below missions, but not level IV?
Velicitia
XS Tech
#2 - 2014-06-24 11:46:54 UTC  |  Edited by: Velicitia
You've got something wrong somewhere -- you need 5.00 or better standings with the corporation (e.g. Lai Dai) or Faction (Caldari State) in order to unlock L4 missions.

IIRC, the mission agent breakdown is as follows:

L1 - Any standings, even -10.
L2 - 1.0 corp AND better than -1.99 Faction standing (or min 1.0 Faction standing)
L3 - 3.0 corp AND better than -1.99 Faction standing (or min 3.0 Faction standing)
L4 - 5.0 corp AND better than -1.99 Faction standing (or min 5.0 Faction standing)

Skills matter here -- so if you have 5.01 standings because of connections, then you're OK to run L4s ... or if you have Diplomacy to get better than -1.99 with the faction, you're OK to run anything too.

Furthermore, if you're in a player corporation, and their standings are higher than yours (either with the corporation or the faction) then your corp's standing is used to determine agent availability. Note that this only applies to agents and jumpclones, IIRC it does not apply to refining or market taxes.

One of the bitter points of a good bittervet is the realisation that all those SP don't really do much, and that the newbie is having much more fun with what little he has. - Tippia

Gor Yo
Taxes Shmuckses
#3 - 2014-06-24 12:22:31 UTC
No, my information is correct.
However looking around I found this statement
Quote:
To access a research agent, you must fulfill both a normal standings requirement for an agent of their Level and Quality, as well as a requirement for Corporate or Personal standings at 2.0 less than the normal standings requirement. For example, to use a Level IV research agent, your effective personal standings must be 3.00 or higher toward that agent's corporation, and you must have an effective personal standing of 5.00 or higher toward this agent, the agent's faction, or the agent's corporation, in order to use that agent's services.

on this webpage.
This would explain it. However they also talk about agent quality, which I understand has been removed awhile ago? So I dont know how valid their information is.
Can anybody confirm?
Also how much income is it really now? I see that data cores are about 100k on the market and from the formula for research point generation (again not sure how valid it is) it seems like I can get 1 data core every 1-2 days. I know it is passive income, but taking into account skill training time and skill book costs is it really worth getting into it?
Xoceac
Incursion Supplies
Gluten Free Cartel
#4 - 2014-06-24 12:31:58 UTC  |  Edited by: Xoceac
I am not sure what the problem is here.

Having a certain (1.00, 2.00, 3.00 or 5.00) standing towards a corporation is enough too start any mission with any agent of that corporation. Personal agent or (some) faction standing has no influence.
Lantro
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#5 - 2014-06-24 12:56:21 UTC
Gor Yo wrote:
So how does this work? Faction standing added to Corporation standing for Security, Distribution and Mining missions, but not for R&D?


You need faction standing, corp standing or agent standing to access a agent. High faction standing gives access to all agents (except r&d) of the factions corps, high corp standing gives accesss to all agents of one corp and high agent standing...just allows access to the specific agent. For R&D, beside your personal Corp standing, you need the right skills, too or the agent won't work with you. See here for details.
Gor Yo
Taxes Shmuckses
#6 - 2014-06-24 13:50:38 UTC
Xoceac wrote:
I am not sure what the problem is here.

Having a certain (1.00, 2.00, 3.00 or 5.00) standing towards a corporation is enough too start any mission with any agent of that corporation. Personal agent or (some) faction standing has no influence.


it is actually any (from -10 to 0.99), 1, 3 and 5 standings for lvl 1, 2, 3 and 4 agents. but the problem is I have access to lvl 3 agents of all Caldari corps, for most of which I havent even spoken to any agents, except R&D missions.
I can understand why R&D agents get special treatment. I just want to know exactly how special.
Nat Silverguard
Aideron Robotics
Aideron Robotics.
#7 - 2014-06-24 13:56:50 UTC  |  Edited by: Nat Silverguard
Gor Yo wrote:
Xoceac wrote:
I am not sure what the problem is here.

Having a certain (1.00, 2.00, 3.00 or 5.00) standing towards a corporation is enough too start any mission with any agent of that corporation. Personal agent or (some) faction standing has no influence.


it is actually any (from -10 to 0.99), 1, 3 and 5 standings for lvl 1, 2, 3 and 4 agents. but the problem is I have access to lvl 3 agents of all Caldari corps, for most of which I havent even spoken to any agents, except R&D missions.
I can understand why R&D agents get special treatment. I just want to know exactly how special.


R & D agents require additional skills in addition to standings in order for them to be accessed. They are mainly used for data core farming.

check out this link about Data Core Farming

Just Add Water

Gor Yo
Taxes Shmuckses
#8 - 2014-06-24 13:59:15 UTC
Lantro wrote:
Gor Yo wrote:
So how does this work? Faction standing added to Corporation standing for Security, Distribution and Mining missions, but not for R&D?


You need faction standing, corp standing or agent standing to access a agent. High faction standing gives access to all agents (except r&d) of the factions corps, high corp standing gives accesss to all agents of one corp and high agent standing...just allows access to the specific agent. For R&D, beside your personal Corp standing, you need the right skills, too or the agent won't work with you. See here for details.


Yes, it seems that faction standing works for all types of agents except R&D ones.
And what I quoted before seems to work. I just did a couple of quick distribution missions for Ikushone (or whatever) corporation, and with Connections skill my standing with the corp went to 1 point something and it opened up R&D agents level 3 for me. So having faction standing of proper value for agent level, and corporation standing 2 points less than proper value for agent level does work. I will see now if faction standing of 5 and corporation standing of 3 will open up level 4 R&D agents for me.
Gor Yo
Taxes Shmuckses
#9 - 2014-06-24 14:02:37 UTC
Nat Silverguard wrote:
Gor Yo wrote:
Xoceac wrote:
I am not sure what the problem is here.

Having a certain (1.00, 2.00, 3.00 or 5.00) standing towards a corporation is enough too start any mission with any agent of that corporation. Personal agent or (some) faction standing has no influence.


it is actually any (from -10 to 0.99), 1, 3 and 5 standings for lvl 1, 2, 3 and 4 agents. but the problem is I have access to lvl 3 agents of all Caldari corps, for most of which I havent even spoken to any agents, except R&D missions.
I can understand why R&D agents get special treatment. I just want to know exactly how special.


R & D agents require additional skills in addition to standings in order for them to be accessed.

check out this link about Data Core Farming


I mentioned the same link in my above post. I know about skill requirements.
Yet I can access Lai Dai level 3 R&D agents (with corporation standing LESS than 3), but not R&D agents level 3 of other 2 Caldari corporations which have them.
Nat Silverguard
Aideron Robotics
Aideron Robotics.
#10 - 2014-06-24 14:03:15 UTC  |  Edited by: Nat Silverguard
Gor Yo wrote:
Lantro wrote:
Gor Yo wrote:
So how does this work? Faction standing added to Corporation standing for Security, Distribution and Mining missions, but not for R&D?


You need faction standing, corp standing or agent standing to access a agent. High faction standing gives access to all agents (except r&d) of the factions corps, high corp standing gives accesss to all agents of one corp and high agent standing...just allows access to the specific agent. For R&D, beside your personal Corp standing, you need the right skills, too or the agent won't work with you. See here for details.


Yes, it seems that faction standing works for all types of agents except R&D ones.
And what I quoted before seems to work. I just did a couple of quick distribution missions for Ikushone (or whatever) corporation, and with Connections skill my standing with the corp went to 1 point something and it opened up R&D agents level 3 for me. So having faction standing of proper value for agent level, and corporation standing 2 points less than proper value for agent level does work. I will see now if faction standing of 5 and corporation standing of 3 will open up level 4 R&D agents for me.


dude, my previous post is literally above this qouted post of yours, there's your answer. Ugh

and yes, for level 4 agents you need to have a corporation/agent standing of 3 and faction standing of 5.

Just Add Water

Gor Yo
Taxes Shmuckses
#11 - 2014-06-24 14:10:54 UTC  |  Edited by: Gor Yo
Nat Silverguard wrote:

dude, my previous post is literally above this qouted post of yours, there's your answer. Ugh


dude, skill wont explain why I get Lai Dai agents, but not others.
the link you provided I mentioned a few post above yours, with a quote from it. but with all the updates, especially changes to R&D agents, I wasnt sure if it was relevant any more and asked if anyone could confirm.

oh I see you edited your post Big smile. thanx for confirmation.

quick additional questions - people mention personal agent standing in order to access the agent. how can I get personal standing with a particular agent if I cant even access him and run missions for him? Question
Nat Silverguard
Aideron Robotics
Aideron Robotics.
#12 - 2014-06-24 14:28:38 UTC
Gor Yo wrote:
Nat Silverguard wrote:

dude, my previous post is literally above this qouted post of yours, there's your answer. Ugh


dude, skill wont explain why I get Lai Dai agents, but not others.
the link you provided I mentioned a few post above yours, with a quote from it. but with all the updates, especially changes to R&D agents, I wasnt sure if it was relevant any more and asked if anyone could confirm.

oh I see you edited your post Big smile. thanx for confirmation.

quick additional questions - people mention personal agent standing in order to access the agent. how can I get personal standing with a particular agent if I cant even access him and run missions for him? Question


agent's corporation standing will do, you need it at 5 to access level 4 agents in that corporation. so just select any other agents and grind.

that's what they want us to do, grind more for corporation standings rather than faction standings, after all, faction standings will also go up together with the npc corp standings.

Just Add Water

DeMichael Crimson
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#13 - 2014-06-25 01:07:49 UTC
Gor Yo wrote:

quick additional questions - people mention personal agent standing in order to access the agent. how can I get personal standing with a particular agent if I cant even access him and run missions for him? Question


That's done by fleeting up with someone who already has access to that agent. They share the mission completion reward with fleet which gains both Agent and Corporation standing. This was used a long time ago to help repair negative standings or to quickly gain access to a high level agent.


As for R&D Agents, they require a set amount of both Corporation and Faction standing for access, as well as specific Science skills trained up.

The reason those Agents require both Corp and Faction standing is to prevent players from grinding up Faction standing with a different Corp and then quickly accessing a Research Agent from another Corp within that same Faction.

The amount of required standings should be listed in the agent info box. Also when they send you mail messages saying their Research has halted, it hasn't. Research Points will still accumulate. They just want you to do another mission for them which can only be done once every 24 hours - reward is double Research Points.

Anyway, sounds like you got a good idea on how Research Agents work so good luck to you.


DMC