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No claim wars anymore?

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Tommy Sepero
Fighters for the money
#1 - 2014-06-24 09:28:58 UTC
Is EVE now only npc nullsec gangs and happy roums game? Are claim wars dead?
What do you think?
Xasnevian
sadfadsfadsadsf
#2 - 2014-06-24 09:29:48 UTC
Yes.
Scipio Artelius
Weaponised Vegemite
Flying Dangerous
#3 - 2014-06-24 09:34:19 UTC
If you look at the wars that have been waged over the last couple of years, some big sov alliances have been at war almost continuously since the start of the Fountain War.

No one can stay at war forever. Eventually people get tired and time is needed to relax and recover.

I don't see the end of sov war being a thing. It's just a quiet period at the moment, but it will break eventually.
Jake Warbird
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#4 - 2014-06-24 09:44:59 UTC
I think I would like a bacon sandwich with fries.
Nevyn Auscent
Broke Sauce
#5 - 2014-06-24 09:53:57 UTC
Scipio Artelius wrote:
If you look at the wars that have been waged over the last couple of years, some big sov alliances have been at war almost continuously since the start of the Fountain War.

No one can stay at war forever. Eventually people get tired and time is needed to relax and recover.

I don't see the end of sov war being a thing. It's just a quiet period at the moment, but it will break eventually.

If you look at those same wars you will notice that the number of significant sov controlling entities (rather than renters with nominal sov) has also shrunk, and the amount each entity controls has gotten larger on average. Which make it less and less likely wars will actually break out.
Mythrandier
Solace Corp
#6 - 2014-06-24 10:01:13 UTC
Jake Warbird wrote:
I think I would like a bacon sandwich with fries.


Swap the fries for a nice mug of tea and I'm with on that one.

"In the beginning the Universe was created. This has made a lot of people very angry and been widely regarded as a bad move." -  D. Adams.

Infrequent
Tidal Lock
Vapor-Lock
#7 - 2014-06-24 10:35:32 UTC
There will be no "great war" until the botlord agreement is broken, there will be conflicts, gud fights, minor sov changes etc, but nothing on the scale that is needed to shake up the current state of nullsec. Either way, we're still in peace time after the Halloween war so don't expect much yet. There are conflicts ongoing between minor entities though, plenty of action there.
Pine Marten
Doomheim
#8 - 2014-06-24 12:36:40 UTC
Infrequent wrote:
There are conflicts ongoing between minor entities though, plenty of action there.


Like what? And does it matter in the grand scope?

Ramona McCandless
Silent Vale
LinkNet
#9 - 2014-06-24 12:39:15 UTC
Tommy Sepero wrote:
Is EVE now only npc nullsec gangs and happy roums game? Are claim wars dead?
What do you think?


Is America now only innercity gangs and vactions game? Are the Plains Wars dead?

What happen to Wild West!?

I want to stake my claim and I dont feel no State Government should be allowed to stop me and my 5 pals from making a country

"Yea, some dude came in and was normal for first couple months, so I gave him director." - Sean Dunaway

"A singular character could be hired to penetrate another corps space... using gorilla like tactics..." - Chane Morgann

Lloyd Roses
Artificial Memories
#10 - 2014-06-24 12:58:39 UTC
Ramona McCandless wrote:
Tommy Sepero wrote:
Is EVE now only npc nullsec gangs and happy roums game? Are claim wars dead?
What do you think?


Is America now only innercity gangs and vactions game? Are the Plains Wars dead?

What happen to Wild West!?

I want to stake my claim and I dont feel no State Government should be allowed to stop me and my 5 pals from making a country


IRL therea ctually are quite simple rules to verify your claim, though they are all entirely dependent on a by-case interpretation of bigger entities. In other words, if eve was more rl-oriented, you'd have to appeal to goons, provi, hero and N3 to get recognized and given the priviliges to be an entity, and I'd probably be sealand. <.<

No idea why I wrote this partially flawed pile of dren.

Would say, what this game needs is less cynoing and more direct effect of inhabitants on their system. Hue!
Kijo Rikki
Killboard Padding Services
#11 - 2014-06-24 13:09:34 UTC
I'm not always here but the void often calls to me. Correct me if I'm wrong but isn't there a "great war" about every six months or so?

You make a valid point, good Sir or Madam. 

Ramona McCandless
Silent Vale
LinkNet
#12 - 2014-06-24 13:11:54 UTC
Lloyd Roses wrote:
Ramona McCandless wrote:
Tommy Sepero wrote:
Is EVE now only npc nullsec gangs and happy roums game? Are claim wars dead?
What do you think?


Is America now only innercity gangs and vactions game? Are the Plains Wars dead?

What happen to Wild West!?

I want to stake my claim and I dont feel no State Government should be allowed to stop me and my 5 pals from making a country


IRL therea ctually are quite simple rules to verify your claim, though they are all entirely dependent on a by-case interpretation of bigger entities. In other words, if eve was more rl-oriented, you'd have to appeal to goons, provi, hero and N3 to get recognized and given the priviliges to be an entity, and I'd probably be sealand. <.<

No idea why I wrote this partially flawed pile of dren.

Would say, what this game needs is less cynoing and more direct effect of inhabitants on their system. Hue!


I like you, though I dont agree with the less cyno

More = better

"Yea, some dude came in and was normal for first couple months, so I gave him director." - Sean Dunaway

"A singular character could be hired to penetrate another corps space... using gorilla like tactics..." - Chane Morgann

Conar
My Wormhole Hurts
#13 - 2014-06-24 13:24:21 UTC
Someone will "forget" to press the payment button and SOV will be lost. The blue doughnut will get stale....
KnowUsByTheDead
Sunlight...Through The Blight.
#14 - 2014-06-24 15:06:14 UTC
Well if you would believe certain posters, OP...

It is the nullsec RMT cartels that are the reason.

IB4 Dins.

Big smile

Once you realize what a joke everything is, being the comedian is the only thing that makes sense.

Magnus Cortex
Ginger Industrial Solutions
#15 - 2014-06-24 15:49:26 UTC
The problem lies in this..

http://imgur.com/eT6povX
Ramona McCandless
Silent Vale
LinkNet
#16 - 2014-06-24 15:51:28 UTC
I also posted this in the Capital Ships movement thread, but I think it belongs here more tbh;

What I would like to know is;

What rationale has anyone for wanting to keep the natural progression of the way the universe will develop back artificially?

If you constantly change the rules to prevent the accumulation of virtually-insurmountable imperial power, what is the purpose of striving for it in the first place?

Isnt it normal for people to want to form ever larger and larger blocs of power?

I dont want to see that artifically fracture into hundreds of small conflicts. If anything, this would render null uninhabitable as no one would be able to use the resources as they would constantly be at war.

What I would like is to see what happens when the donut is complete

Once there are two or less MegaPowers, will one crumble? will interest wane and it implode? Will there be civil wars? Will anyone finally get around to attacking an Empire with their vast armadas and deposing those faceless tyrants?

If these things are not a) the natural way things or going and/or b) more interesting than the suggestions already given about changes, then Im afraid that there is a strong difference not only in what many people believe that EvE is about but also what makes it a unique game with infinite possibility.

"Yea, some dude came in and was normal for first couple months, so I gave him director." - Sean Dunaway

"A singular character could be hired to penetrate another corps space... using gorilla like tactics..." - Chane Morgann

Chewytowel Haklar
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#17 - 2014-06-24 15:59:08 UTC
I think nullsec should be open to everyone! Socialism for all!
DaReaper
Net 7
Cannon.Fodder
#18 - 2014-06-24 15:59:51 UTC
Ramona McCandless wrote:
I also posted this in the Capital Ships movement thread, but I think it belongs here more tbh;

What I would like to know is;

What rationale has anyone for wanting to keep the natural progression of the way the universe will develop back artificially?

If you constantly change the rules to prevent the accumulation of virtually-insurmountable imperial power, what is the purpose of striving for it in the first place?

Isnt it normal for people to want to form ever larger and larger blocs of power?

I dont want to see that artifically fracture into hundreds of small conflicts. If anything, this would render null uninhabitable as no one would be able to use the resources as they would constantly be at war.

What I would like is to see what happens when the donut is complete

Once there are two or less MegaPowers, will one crumble? will interest wane and it implode? Will there be civil wars? Will anyone finally get around to attacking an Empire with their vast armadas and deposing those faceless tyrants?

If these things are not a) the natural way things or going and/or b) more interesting than the suggestions already given about changes, then Im afraid that there is a strong difference not only in what many people believe that EvE is about but also what makes it a unique game with infinite possibility.



I agree, its like people forget human nature because eve is a game. 'oh ban coalitions!' uh.. you do know people will naturally do this anyway, and figure out was to do this.

The blue doughnut is a natural progresstion, its what will happen eventually. But also you will then have other groups look at the all blue and think 'yummy targets'

The only thing that really does need to change is the sov mechanics. Sov wars are boring as hell. If they could find a balance between enjoyable and work then I think we would all improve. But no matter what they do to sov, human nature will never change. Humans do not like to move, they like protection, a 'home' and they like to gain more power and space to roam. Ideas that go against human nature tend to be stupid.

As an example, the company I work for remodled there Contact worker areas, they removed cubes and assigned seating for modular desk so you can try new areas and collaborate better... the issue tough, is during orientation of the new design, one of the people who helped set up this concept actually said '95% of people pick a spot and stay there" which leads me to go "then why the hades are you trying to do this dumb idea?"

The blue doughnut will die on its own, as less fights happen people will get bored and take a break, then other enties will attack the weaked blue boughnut king and the cycle starts all over.

OMG Comet Mining idea!!! Comet Mining!

Eve For life.

Soldarius
Dreddit
Test Alliance Please Ignore
#19 - 2014-06-24 18:51:12 UTC
Magnus Cortex wrote:
The problem lies in this..

http://imgur.com/eT6povX


Nice graphic. I can haz?

http://youtu.be/YVkUvmDQ3HY

Unsuccessful At Everything
The Troll Bridge
#20 - 2014-06-24 19:09:19 UTC
There is only one correct answer in this thread.




It was Bacon Sandwich.

Since the cessation of their usefulness is imminent, may I appropriate your belongings?

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