EVE General Discussion

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Don't bring real world analogies into Eve (slavery/child labour still exists around the world btw, 'we' are just customers now)
Don't argue with Ramona
Don't post topics like this without a moderate amount of research

Do read the boards for a week or more and lurk a bit and you'll see why these topics get this response

ps. you are still in my bio, making this whole thread even more hilarious

Predominantly ISBoxing was used for mining, an area of the game that almost required it to become profitable. Industrial changes incoming alleviate the issue some what, as industry takes the forefront for update and change.

As it spreads to other areas, its starting to become more of a concern. If someone managed to ISBox a HQ incursion fleet for example, 45m per member per site, 1.8b per site running at 15 minutes a site that's 7.2 billion isk an hour for a single player...

Then people wonder why plex are hitting 750m...

So.... it was ok when mining wasnt as profitable (in your estimation) as it is now?
How will the industry changes affect your opinion of Isboxer?
Will you be more against it in a month's time?



That still doesnt explain why you are against it. You coould do it too and earn the same isk?

But like I said, you could always do something about it

Actions speak..louder...than..words...

Oh dear god Im turning into Solecist Project!

But in all seriousness, a corp mining fleet does exactly the same thing, why is that ok and Isboxer not?

Yes that's why there's +300k people here complaining about isboxers...

I think it IS a problem!

But I know talking about it here wont change anything!

Get your damn gunship out and gank them then collect up the corpses and put them in cans around the stations and gates with HERETIC and KULAK on a board around their neck

Do it till traffic control chokes with their corpses and your blasters melt from the heat

Isn't finding ways to gain an advantage over your opponent pretty true to the spirit of EVE?

I'm pretty arsey Chunk, but I quite like myself so I'm happy to argue against the flow too. The point is, a lot of us agree with the spirit of the debate. It's just pointless, repetitive, and annoying arguing in circles over it. Whine threads like this won't fix it, I'm sorry. This isn't a 'campaign'. Trying this way signals an ignorance of regular forum debates, and abusing people who point that out adds nothing. I know it's frustrating, but this isn't the way to get things changed.

I was really hoping you'd have the sense not to bite and start being snotty. But let's see.

Be very careful when you make a public protest about Eula violations. ISBoxing isn't a warp to zero bot. 'Everyone was doing it' was the justification I heard when a massive chunk of players were temp banned last year. We could talk about that instead? I was curious how one can reconcile concepts of integrity and fairness whilst being a filthy little botter.

What if people use ISBOxer to spam petitions against ISboxer?

Welcome to the EVEmetacode

ISBoxer is the most visible aspect of the EVE metacode, but there are other tools out there that contribute to providing advantages to their users around Eve and are not forbidden by the EULA.

Take AutoHotkey for example, and you can script something to have alarm bells blaring when an overview window gets updated (lol, one would think that spacehips would have these kind of alarms already built in, but recent update of the sound system in Eve has been a great step to make these kind of automations available to all players)
Eve implements fleet warp and other functionalities that facilitate handling groups of characters, regardless of which player controls them..

I do not think it is really an issue. You would handle a system occupied by 10 or 20 Eve characters in the same way, regardless if they are all managed via ISBoxer or all from different players. it does not matter, as it generates content anyway, and the ISBoxer crowd has more limitations to their use than a group of well coordinated players.

To each their own gaming style, and nothing prevents anybody to go the ISBoxer route too...

Now if ISBoxer users were massively benefiting in game from their multiple accounts to generate enough ISk so that they never had to pay a subscription again, I am pretty sure that CCP would spot this trend and put a brake on ISBoxer usage. .. wouldn't they?

Wasn't arguing that it was, but rather that seeking an advantage does not give free reign. The fact that it can be used as an edge over others doesn't make it good for the game.