Player Features and Ideas Discussion

Out of all the rest of the tripe you typed, this is the bit that demonstrates that you haven't read anything anyone else posted.

We (i and others) have given you reasons (based not only on opinion, but actual events of the past in the game in addition to the current state of the game) why what you want is bad and why the main assertion of the OP is a bit off base.

Lvl 5s used to be in high sec due to a bug that CCP acknowledged but didn't fix for 4 years. It was a bad thing for a lot of reasons: it messed up the risk/reward balance, it made Empire Navy LP gained from lvl 4 missions next to useless and it took away some content from low sec because the people who would have been hunting the lvl 5 runners couldn't touch them in high sec.

The only people who benefited from high sec lvl 5s were the people who were doing them and the guys who were selling Rattlesnake BPCs (lol).

And yet you think it would be a good idea for CCP to let them back into high sec because 'you and a couple buddies' could do them. Your stance ignores the fact that EVe doesn't have content like that because if 'you and a couple buddies' can do that, me and my 2 alts can do it too. it would be nothing but isboxer farmlands.

incursions don't generally have this problem because Incursions required enough ships to make it tedious even with isboxer for the average player. But you don't NEED isboxer to multibox 3 toons. What's to stop folks from boxing 3 rattlesnakes in high sec lvl 5s damn near afk while screwing the LP values for actual at the keyboard lvl 4 navy mission runners?

Simply put K'ahn, you formed an opinion about somehting without having nearly enough information. don't be mad at me for your mistake.

It's being utilized, it's just not being utilized by the entire PvE player base. And that's OK. Not everyone needs to do everything.

Putting them in null sec where alliances can lock down the system and farm the LP 23.5/7 is not going to benefit anyone. Putting them in high sec so that less players are incentivized to enter low sec is a step in the wrong direction on the long, long road CCP has been traveling to make all areas of space desirable places to be with unique gameplay experiences.

Eve does not need more of the same, it needs more unique aspects of gameplay. One of the things I find this game does beautifully is eliminate the feel that I'm just running on a treadmill, trying to get to the next level and the next set of gear because that, in my opinion, isn't content. L4's stop at the perfect moment for people who don't want the treadmill. They can step off, brush the dust off their thighs and say "Well, that was fun, now on to something else." But if you add L5's to high sec what else needs to be changed, and where does adding more repetitive grind to the game stop? Are we going to end up with L10's in high sec that're basically unused because in order to keep incomes from inflating disproportionately CCP not only had to nerf the income of L3-L4 but also make the increases in income as compared to the amount of effort involved scale down heavily until they reached a point of impracticality, just for the sake of "more content?"

The fact that L5's are in low sec is PART of the content. If that part of the content is not to your tastes then I'm sorry, L5's are not for you. There may be some things that you like about L5's and want to experience, but unless you're willing to take the good with the bad you might as well stop daydreaming now, because the fact that they are in low sec is not a flaw, it is a feature.

I'm not saying that L5's in their current form should be implemented in highsec. But there should be something between L4's and incursions.

Here's what I'd like to see.

Mission like an L4 but with a few changes:

1) Harder, scrams are actually scrams, the NPC's neut you, they use actual tactics. Something like you'd find sleepers doing.

2) ENCOURAGE rather than discourage group play. Instead of splitting rewards, everyone gets the same rewards as if they had done an L4 up to a point (say 6 -10 pilots).

Sure an ISBoxer is going to AFK their way through this, but they won't be making any more isk than they would by running L4's (note: AGAIN NO MORE REWARDS PER PILOT THAN AN L4).

Move level 5s to null.

Move level 4s to low.

Actually I want PvE content against a tactical AI.

also, I can only run 1 client on my computer at a time, it doesn't have the go juice for 2, so I REALLY DO MEAN that I want something me and my small alliance/corp can do together that doesn't involve traipsing all over hell and half of new eden so we can go do an incursion.

and really if the multi-box argument is pretty weak. really I don't care if a guy can multibox it and get it done faster, if he wants to run 10 clients and do that great.

not something I'm interested in. I like my MULTIPLAYER game, just wish there was small group highsec content.

So give me a GOOD reason, not the multi-box fallback.

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Leave them in lowsec, and if people aren't running them enough then increase the LP reward.

Then don't suggest buffing highsec because you're bored.




Oh, so very much wrong with this sentence. Suffice to say you're acting like a themepark player.




Ah, the good old "if you slightly inconvenience what I specifically do the game will die!" defense.



Citation needed. I claim the opposite, by the way.




You feel wrong. More content should be moved to the other areas of space, to encourage more player interaction in those areas. Especially lowsec, which desperately needs buffed to about the same degree that highsec needs to be nerfed.

Psychotic Monk for CSM9. Automatic disqualifier.


Blah blah blah blah...personal attack .... blah blah blah .... nerf hi-sec.....blah blah blah



Quit posting....troll

The content you seek is already present - you just have to go to low sec to take part in it. I mean, if you're just here to basically say "I want to do L5s but would never go to lowsec to do them" then you might as well also say "I want DED sites 5/10 and better to also be in highsec" - and then the value/risk proposition of everything gets quite diluted.



As has already been said, L5s have always been a way for lowsec missioners (yes, they exist, and in more numbers than you might realize) to, well, do missions in lowsec and make their ISK with that route.

Arguably, missioning in lowsec is more of a personal means to an end giving that living in lowsec places far more of a demand on personal wallets than those who live in highsec or even nullsec... therefore the rewards L5s give can actually sustain living in lowsec. The profitability of L5s in particular have been been hit hard, however, ever since the FW buff. Even after the mini-nerfs to FW plexes and orbiting that button, they're still far more profitable LP over LP than L5s. But not everyone who lives in lowsec does so in FW areas, so L5s are what remains for those geographically removed from such opportunities.

In highsec you really only need to worry about wars, which are easily avoidable. Otherwise, for the pure highsec dweller, there's not much to replace and budget for other than ship bling and "leveling up that CNR" so to speak.

In nullsec, you're quite likely to have an alliance-level SRP which vastly cushions the ISK blow to personal wallets, plus you have additional premium content in the form of 50m/tick anoms and high-end DED sites which can handily make up the difference. Extra bonus if you have access to backwater systems to do all this in which rarely see a potentially interruptive neutral.

I assume you are against incursions.