Player Features and Ideas Discussion

I don't think you understand how multiplication works when spamming a very large number of players. Or what that means when each ISK has a dollar/euro value assigned to it and how that would effect the bottom line of a business that relies on mass "cold calling" as it is known in the sales world with a very low rate of uptake and very thin margins.

And still, you have not a single shred of evidence that we'd fall back into the dark ages.


Still waiting for actual arguments.

The burden of proof is on you here and so far you have not provided any. Still waiting for actual arguments.

I suggest you take a couple of college level classes in business management and accounting before you propose changes to game mechanics that are rooted in these principals.

keep it like it is & add a tab to configure with standing will be great

They will, because the account typically isn't theirs. It was stolen from a legitimate player with a weak password with an active account or it is someone's inactive account that was hacked and activated with the 4 hour to plex feature. A bot program runs through the account transferring the wallet's isk and any easily translated assets to mules which then work it down a laundering chain during the period that an alt is being created on the account and used to spam the players. Whether minutes or hours pass before CCP notices that someone is spamming and acts accordingly, the account has been cleaned of anything valuable which increases the seller's profit margin and used to spread knowledge of the seller's existence to 1000's of people. Only one person needs to buy to make it profitable to hack the accounts, if CSPA is removed.

Yay, a proper response! :D

The fact that there are barely any visible left. I haven't seen one in ages.

Then the fact that PLEX prices are high, thus their income is small,
so there aren't that many around either.

Then the fact that CCP actively pursues them and buys ISK from them,
just to slap the banhammer onto them.

How many people spam in game, when they know that'll just make it easier
for CCP to kill them off completely?

See?




What they do in other games is completely irrelevant for EVE ONLINE.
We have PLEX, unlike all the others and we have devs buying ISK to kill them off.
Not sure if other companies do this as well, but I'd assume so.

> You may call history irrelevant. It isn't. It is what helps us make better informed decisions about the future.
> And history shows that ISK spammers are heartless, relentless, and VERY predictable.
It's fine to learn from history, but not being stuck in it.


Fine.

Yes. That would be a point, if it made any sense to mass spam in the game,
which it doesn't, because that would only help CCP catch them.



Unless you are trying to start a conversation with EVERYONE you bump into, no... it does not limit who you talk to. An annoyance, yes... but it is not prohibitively expensive if you only convo or mail 5 or 6 people here and there.

Here is an idea... chat in local first. See who wants to talk before opening a private convo.
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Local is worthless there. Almost nobody is talking in the starter systems, unless it's an older player.
Exceptions are rare.

A new player can contact ONE person before he has to do something to make money, which is ridiculous.


That's the whole point.


Do whatever with the CSPA, but new players should be able to contact others with no cost involved,
and also should be taught that the CSPA actually exists, because many people have never heard of it.

- They are not visible in this way because it is no longer profitable to mass spam... because of the CSPA charge.

- the in-game prices of PLEX are set by player purchasing power (supply vs. demand)... not RMT.

- If I recall correctly, CCP have to manually look for RMTers (they do not have automated software). And a company with an employee roster of less than 600 (with probably 20 or so people dedicated to game security) managing 500,000 players is no small task. Quite often things slip under their radar. Especially since alt characters/accounts can be easily made.

- Assuming there is no CSPA charge? A lot will. Because you can always create a new character and/or account and start all over again.


- What other game companies do in terms of security (or lack of) is in all game developer's interests. In fact, there are various conferences around the world where game developers can talk with each other and compare notes... because the tactics that RMTs use are pretty consistent, widespread, and damn near impossible to completely root out.

- Yep, we have PLEX. And other games are actually copying this mechanism because it is so organically effective against RMTers. However, it is not a magic bullet. It just means RMTer profit margins are cut.


Just because a problem is no longer evident, it does not mean the problem no longer exists.

Again, it is like being vaccinated against something like Polio. Most people think the disease does not exist anymore (because they do not see it) so there is no point in getting the vaccine.
Unfortunately, the sickness still exists and it is now on the rise.


Hahahahaha. Kid... I was THERE. My newbie system had multiple spammers in the system. Ban two and two more would pop up 5 minutes later. Rinse and repeat. The GMs simply could not keep up or be everywhere at the same time. It was that bad.



The CSPA charge is to protect newbies from spammers. I was a newbie once... and I remember how bad it was. The problem is not gone, it will never be gone... welcome to the brave new world we live in. Now take your shots.


PS: the perverse side of my mind totally wants to drop the CSPA charge for everyone for a month.... just to show you how wrong you are and how bad, bad can get.
*Snip* Please refrain from personal attacks. ISD Ezwal..