Player Features and Ideas Discussion

That's not true at all, it took me less than 8 weeks to make an acceptable Vindicator pilot from scrath, and only 3 more weeks to make that same pilot acceptable (for TVP and DIN fleets) in a Machariel.

You are forgetting one factor, effort vs payout, flying 2 accounts simultan meas you have to earn for both. Nothing wrong with that.

And if you have to balance one whole gameplay aspect towards one ship or a certain type, then there might be somethign wrong with the ship, not the game aspect. Its like saying we first built a ship and later loked for the ocean°°.

And payout needs to eb refined, that its more then L4s solo in the same a mount of time, but doesn't really multiply with many participants, I am thinking more in terms of spawns activated by number of warp ins, which will be random from a fixed set of circumstances (frigate warps in, extra frig spawn). This way you will give every fleetmember saomethign specific to deal with, but that would be annoying for every other type then the ones entering also. Payout would rather be in bounties then agent rewards. I can refine it further if you like, but I'd rather pðostpone till its all complete.


Yes, to kill Incurison in general and have more players leave the game for lack of content, if you want to inform yourself about that, please join any of the Incursion related topics.
I ll expalin it again, not every high sec player is a low or 0.0 player in the closet, stop assuming that.
And nobody should be forced to adjust to your playstyle.


A quality post if I have seen one, thx. Creating player profiles from killmails (especially forum alts) seems to be a hobby of e-peen retards, I hoipe you are not counting yourself amongst them.
Not to mention, that we are not discussing simply copy/pasting or drag and dropping L5s to high sec, we actually discuss how it could be acchieved to satisfy everyone.

Usually they are very competitive and run for speed, they do not incite group PvE. Some complexes will take a small gang appropriately shiped and fitted about 20-30 minutes to compelte properly, while it takes a solo plex hunter 2-3 minutes going for jsut the officer.

And again, not every high sec player is a repressed low sec/0.0 dweller. Most players won't engage in 95% of the available gameplay anyway, EVE is way to comlpex for that, stop refering to High Sec as an invalid option, a handicap or the 'wrong' play.

Surely, nobody ever bought a super expensive, bling muscle car and used it for low-riding in the hood. Never, ever. Not to emntion, that a lot of countries have a speed limit of 60mph so why would anyone buy or sell cars there that drive faster... Oh yeah, right, the cars were made first and also independently of regional speed limit laws - got enough of metaphors ?




Because L4s do not promote teamplay, In most cases, a solo pilot will be faster without help (due to spread aggression, resulting transversal, etc.), then with a partner and after that he has to cut his reward in half (if he isn't an ass).

And you answered the question at hand by yourself, gratz.

Highsec isn't an invalid option, nor is it the wrong way to play. It is, however, supposed to be handicapped in comparison to the rest of space in terms of ISK generation. If you can make as much ISK in highsec as you can in null, why would you ever leave? Why would you ever move yourself and assets to an outpost that can be bubbled, flipped away from your control, a system that can be camped by people who can destroy you without fear of CONCORD intervention and where they can do it immediately and without giving you 24 hours advance notice of their intent?

You aren't supposed to be able to make as much money in highsec as you can in other areas. Hence why they removed level 5's. Plain and simple. Incursions are generating too much money for highsec, but at least they require fleets (not saying I wouldn't be for a bit of a nerf for highsec Incursion payout). Level 5's are not at all like this.



L5's don't promote teamplay either. It helps, but it doesn't make you want to go and grab your fleet. Incursions ******* force teamplay, L5's can be run solo in passive tanked battleships. No reason to bother moving them back to high besides ******* up risk vs reward.

This.

Right now I run lvl 5s solo in a MJD Raven or Dominix (i don't decline the ones that have gates, I like the gated ones safer, i still do the ungated ones in my Thanatos, 3000 dps from fighters makes em go quick).

The whole 'group content' thing is a lie unless you consider a guy and has 4 isboxer fleet a 'group' lol.

What you should be seeing is how you have to change the definition of words in order to make what you want to do 'fit'. This is what Risk means in English. .



The primary RISK in EVE's Risk/Reward system is ship destruction. If you want the content you say you want, you need to RISK your ship for it. High Sec has the lowest lvl of risk in the game.

Move level 4 missions to lowsec.

Equally valid proposal, with an even better argument. No one can say that the points you have presented in favor of the proposal are wrong.

I have no idea what you're trying to say there. What does the rest of the page have to do with anything at all applicable to EVE? Nothing.

Risk (n.) possibility of loss or injury - someone or something that creates or suggests a hazard - the chance of loss or the perils to the subject matter of an insurance contract - the chance that an investment will lose value
All of these, other than perhaps the last, applies to losing a ship either to PvP or PvE content (read: increased difficulty - PvE - or increased risk - PvP). Moving L5s to HS removes/reduces all aspects of the above.

Risk (v.) to expose to hazard or danger - to incur the risk or danger of
Both of these apply to losing a ship. Moving L5s to HS removes/reduces all aspects of the above.

Risk (n. medical) possibility of loss, injury, .... or death - person considered in terms of the possible bad effecs of a particular course of treatment
The first definition loosely applies, again, to losing a ship/pod. The second doesn't. Moving L5s to HS removes/reduces all aspects of the above

So which parts of Risk don't apply? Oh what's that? Just the ones that speak to investment or medical treatments? All of the others are applicable to this terrible game we play? The heck you say.



As for the tangent about likes.....lolwut?

What game are you playing?