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WH Exploration - Scanning "ID" Tags
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Tyrone Alyeh
Dark Matter Specialists
#1 - 2014-06-23 14:56:33 UTC
Hiya.

I am relatively new to Eve (about 4-5 months now). In that time, I've fallen in love with w-space, and, for the past month, I and my ~7 mill SP have been scraping by in C1's and C2's in a vulnerable small PoS as I've been slowly grating my way up to a Tengu and a hopeful future.

That said, I obviously spend a ton of my time every day on scanning (my scanning skills aren't so good as my SP has been rather tight and I've needed so many other skills to even make it this far...), but I've noticed something.

Often days, my WH has a TON of ID's with similar names, such as:

QPL-###
APL-###
VPL-###
XPL-###
(etc)

When I scan down QPL, it turns out it's gas!
Then I scan down APL... also gas!
VPL? Gas!

So then I think "Oh, maybe the ID tag has something to do with the type!" Sure enough, as soon as I start thinking that, CCP tosses me a curveball: XPL is a Wormhole.

But I've noticed this trend TOO OFTEN now to think it's a fluke! I've tried searching for this information but with so many outdated/defunc websites, sketchy old forum posts, and a lot of conflicting information, I've decided to just ask if anyone could give me some hints and lead me in the right direction on if/how ID tags contribute. That way, I might be able to save a bit of time avoiding scanning down certain IDs.

Thanks guys.
Borsek
KarmaFleet
Goonswarm Federation
#2 - 2014-06-23 15:06:52 UTC
every sig that ends in the same two letters like the ones you listed has been there before downtime, a.k.a. has existed in the hole before downtime, every sig with a random set is new - after downtime, even if that means at 10:00 am eve time the next day

also, as you bookmark holes, if you warp to 0 to a bookmark, you will land on the signature and not on your bookmark if you are the first to warp to the anomaly or signature after downtime, this is a great way to check if someone has used the holes after downtime

the ID has nothing to do with the type

The only help with signature identification is probe strength, there are tools to calculate the % you get depending on the class of WH and your skills, but generally, the easiest sigs to scan are low class holes and gas, and the hardest are data and relics

one of the hardest *holes* to scan, I believe, is a c6-c1 or c6-c2

either way, if you need help with this stuff, join one of the channels in the sticky above and ask the pubbies
Tyrone Alyeh
Dark Matter Specialists
#3 - 2014-06-23 15:22:55 UTC
There are some really useful tips in there I had no idea about. I'll keep them in mind.

Thanks a lot.
Lloyd Roses
Artificial Memories
#4 - 2014-06-23 16:29:21 UTC
Borsek wrote:
every sig that ends in the same two letters like the ones you listed has been there before downtime, a.k.a. has existed in the hole before downtime, every sig with a random set is new - after downtime, even if that means at 10:00 am eve time the next day

also, as you bookmark holes, if you warp to 0 to a bookmark, you will land on the signature and not on your bookmark if you are the first to warp to the anomaly or signature after downtime, this is a great way to check if someone has used the holes after downtime

the ID has nothing to do with the type

The only help with signature identification is probe strength, there are tools to calculate the % you get depending on the class of WH and your skills, but generally, the easiest sigs to scan are low class holes and gas, and the hardest are data and relics

one of the hardest *holes* to scan, I believe, is a c6-c1 or c6-c2

either way, if you need help with this stuff, join one of the channels in the sticky above and ask the pubbies


There are no hard holes to scan anymore since they moved m267 and d382 up to the relic/mag-signature size. Those two were afaik the only ones at that level. It also happened some 2 years ago or such.

Besides that, roughly similar names means that the sig has been present from dt till now. New (odd) sigs are usually wormholes and rarely a fresh signature. If you do some messy scanning, then you ignore any sig that isn't huge or odd, so you get the recent stuff in a hole scanned out in less than a minute. Yay, covops warp speed ;)
Meytal
Doomheim
#5 - 2014-06-23 17:36:47 UTC
It's not so much that the sig existed since downtime, as it has more to do with when the system was last loaded. If you open a connection into a system that has not been loaded since downtime, the K162 that you just spawned will also have a sequential/common ID, instead of the oddball ID that you'd expect. It's a minor difference, to be sure, but it could be a useful difference at times.
Aquila Sagitta
Blue-Fire
#6 - 2014-06-23 17:38:03 UTC
Difficulty of scanning wh's isn't based on class its based on the wh size. 1b holes are much harder to scan then 2b holes which are harder to scan then 3b holes.

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Angsty Teenager
Broski North
#7 - 2014-06-23 19:49:30 UTC
Aquila Sagitta wrote:
Difficulty of scanning wh's isn't based on class its based on the wh size. 1b holes are much harder to scan then 2b holes which are harder to scan then 3b holes.


Wrong, wormhole scanning difficulty is based on which class it goes to and which class it comes from. This only applies to the entrance of the wormhole (i.e. H296/D382, etc...) and not to the exit (K162) which is always in the easiest or second easiest band of sigs to scan in all space (k-space and j-space).

For example, in C5 space, a D792 (3 bil mass, C5-->Highsec) wormhole is harder to scan than a E175 (2 bil mass, C5-->C4).
Rroff
Antagonistic Tendencies
#8 - 2014-06-23 20:10:00 UTC  |  Edited by: Rroff
Lloyd Roses wrote:

There are no hard holes to scan anymore since they moved m267 and d382 up to the relic/mag-signature size. Those two were afaik the only ones at that level. It also happened some 2 years ago or such.


Its less than 2 years ago - I moved out of a C5/3 coming up on 2 years and the M267 static was still one of the hardest sigs to scan some time after we moved out.
Jack Miton
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#9 - 2014-06-23 22:55:29 UTC
Lloyd Roses wrote:
There are no hard holes to scan anymore since they moved m267 and d382 up to the relic/mag-signature size. Those two were afaik the only ones at that level. It also happened some 2 years ago or such.

pretty sure that isnt true. MOST certainly werent resized 2 years ago.
happy to check it next time I run into a C5>C3, though tbh it's largely irrelevant.

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Angsty Teenager
Broski North
#10 - 2014-06-24 00:24:08 UTC
Yea who cares anyway just plop in virtues and just swing around ur big 4 AU balls.
calaretu
Honestly We didnt know
#11 - 2014-06-24 07:14:51 UTC
Signature strength are known and have been for some years.
https://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/Complete_Signature_Strength_List

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Lloyd Roses
Artificial Memories
#12 - 2014-06-24 11:20:27 UTC  |  Edited by: Lloyd Roses
Jack Miton wrote:
Lloyd Roses wrote:
There are no hard holes to scan anymore since they moved m267 and d382 up to the relic/mag-signature size. Those two were afaik the only ones at that level. It also happened some 2 years ago or such.

pretty sure that isnt true. MOST certainly werent resized 2 years ago.
happy to check it next time I run into a C5>C3, though tbh it's largely irrelevant.


Back when there was the DSP, you could do a large sweep and get all sigs even in a 100AU system sorted. Back then c5>c2/c3 used to be both a 0.03, while radars/mags been the .06 . Then with Inferno, their sizes doubled to 0.06.

Then with retribution, I could suddenly scan those things with a cynabal and astro III <.<



calaretu wrote:
Signature strength are known and have been for some years.
https://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/Complete_Signature_Strength_List


That page got a long white beard and is not accurate anymore. There are no radars anymore, and the sigs are mostly no more in the bands they are indicated right there, partiallly cause things like the .03 band is now empty of wormhole sigs.
Remy Nolen
Sama Guild
#13 - 2014-06-25 04:54:33 UTC
Like ppl said, the last letter or 2 = usually there since DT.

I see what your asking, yeah, you can't tell type of sig by the id.
That being said, on the space overlay, if your fast & quick at math, k162's always appear at 6.22au variance. Mags/relics I think are at 8.0 au or close to it. After a while, I just filter out the huge 8au sigs on system map to cut down on sigs. Once you get decent enough cov ops skills, its just faster to drop 8au cube & get it +25% on first sweep.